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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:05 PM Jun 2016

but ah my friends and oh my foes, it shed a lovely light.

Fare thee well, all.

Thanks for the hospitality over these many years, Skinner. You've been a gracious host. I've enjoyed discussions with so many people here, and I've learned a lot.

But sometimes moving on is just the right... move.

That's it, really.

Have a lovely summer, everyone.

(Mods, I understand if you lock this.)

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but ah my friends and oh my foes, it shed a lovely light. (Original Post) cali Jun 2016 OP
. Iggo Jun 2016 #1
Um, hi? Xyzse Jun 2016 #2
Wha happened? NightWatcher Jun 2016 #3
Nothing happened. cali Jun 2016 #5
Same here. trof Jun 2016 #49
Actually Edna St. Vincent Millay. N/ T LisaM Jun 2016 #102
me2 - take care cali. 840high Jun 2016 #71
Which is exactly what I warned about when skinner revealed the new rules. Hissyspit Jun 2016 #148
I understand your feelings. I've cut ... 11 Bravo Jul 2016 #185
Trump gave an economic speech. joshcryer Jun 2016 #17
have a good summer.. see you in a few weeks Cali.. Peacetrain Jun 2016 #4
I've found a new political online home, so I really am cali Jun 2016 #6
Oh shoot! Peacetrain Jun 2016 #7
You will be missed malaise Jun 2016 #13
And there are a lot of reasons for that, too. Aerows Jun 2016 #26
Ditto malaise Jun 2016 #36
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yep 840high Jun 2016 #66
With every ahem... non-purge DU finds itself in the right company, R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2016 #106
I don't know n/t malaise Jun 2016 #110
Your posting of actual facts is not very welcome here anymore. arcane1 Jun 2016 #20
The posting of actual facts is welcome here, made up ones pushed by the RW is not, synergie Jun 2016 #42
It's the Inconvenient Facts that are at issue and the fact that any libdem4life Jun 2016 #60
Well, I got several hides on posts that had inconvenient facts that were not RW at all synergie Jun 2016 #120
I hear you. I got my very first hide on one of those Inconvenient Facts. libdem4life Jun 2016 #165
You're more than welcome to cite these examples... R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2016 #107
You need me to cite the examples of RW sites that were posted here? synergie Jun 2016 #118
You're more than welcome to back up your claims... R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2016 #119
You're more than welcome to use the method I described to find your citations to synergie Jun 2016 #123
LOL! R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2016 #131
If you missed all the bulkshit links to RW sites- you missed plenty. Never seen such trash here- bettyellen Jun 2016 #170
An allegation was made by a poster against another poster inthis thread. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #175
How would you be "sure that the 'new place' welcomes such things"? What the hell do... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #137
I actually find it hilarious how many are secretly lurking riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #147
I am more a lurker than a poster. ChazII Jun 2016 #58
May I ask what makes you feel unwelcome? moriah Jun 2016 #109
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Since, if you replied, it was removed before I saw it, if you do come back to read this thread... moriah Jun 2016 #150
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Props for the Edna reference. Orrex Jun 2016 #9
Cheers, cali BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #10
Your voice will be missed. demmiblue Jun 2016 #11
alrightythen ... n/t cosmicone Jun 2016 #12
When the going heads in a different direction... Hortensis Jun 2016 #31
When that direction is a vault across the center to the right-wing side, it is hard. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #139
ebb and flow - n/t RussBLib Jun 2016 #14
My neighbors...Ebinezer and Florence Jones. George II Jun 2016 #70
Thank you for the work to keep conversation active at DU. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #15
Have a beautiful summer. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #16
Bummer, but .. well .. it's not really goodbye. 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #18
A bunch seem to be changing their names over there. Hortensis Jun 2016 #32
Sounds like you're reading the place quite closely, Hortensis. senz Jun 2016 #61
Unfortunately, it's no longer entertaining in a Hortensis Jun 2016 #68
Well isn't that nice. senz Jun 2016 #75
Rioting? kiva Jun 2016 #98
Lol. Didn't notice any, but wild accusations Hortensis Jun 2016 #99
I usually just visit JPR for the Satanic rituals and human sacrfices. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2016 #114
And in real life you are called Hortensis? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #113
What is your problem with "over there"? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #140
See ya. joshcryer Jun 2016 #19
bye josh- with respect and fondness, cali cali Jun 2016 #21
DU's loss cali. bluesbassman Jun 2016 #22
for you: surrealAmerican Jun 2016 #23
I wish you would stay, or at least return after the frustration over the primaries tblue37 Jun 2016 #24
Sorry to see you go. Adrahil Jun 2016 #25
Best wishes to you Cali Aerows Jun 2016 #27
Well, hell. Brickbat Jun 2016 #28
Do not doubt that you will be missed. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #29
I'm new here, and don't know you, but I fail to see how removing oneself from a forum LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #141
It has already happened to me, and it's not like it doesn't happen elsewhere LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #144
I guess I'll just have to settle for hearing you on Thom Hartmann. But unfortunately you can't Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2016 #33
Happy Trails, Cali Amaril Jun 2016 #34
Bye! NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #35
I'm sorry you're not sticking around. Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #37
We supported different candidates. but I never cared about that. cwydro Jun 2016 #38
I always found your posts to be worth reading The Blue Flower Jun 2016 #39
I'd tell you how I felt about this but I don't feel comfortable speaking my mind here either Cary Jun 2016 #40
cali has never been tombstoned on DU, much less twice. demmiblue Jun 2016 #46
Whatever Cary Jun 2016 #51
Do you know what being "tombstoned" means? truebluegreen Jun 2016 #154
Do you know what demiblue was doing? Cary Jun 2016 #168
Do you know what deflection is? truebluegreen Jun 2016 #172
You don't know what you stepped into Cary Jun 2016 #174
+1000 stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #180
Fare well, cali truebluegreen Jun 2016 #41
Bye. synergie Jun 2016 #43
I am not sure which camp you feel I fall. Hopefully more friend than foe. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #44
ah, my friend. hope that settles it. cali Jun 2016 #53
We've had some ups and downs, I am sorry to see you decide this place is no longer friendly. Rex Jun 2016 #45
I understand the eggshells bit, I think everyone is feeling their way around. It seems like we went seaglass Jun 2016 #47
It's pretty sad if civility seems too difficult for some. KMOD Jun 2016 #85
What is JPR? Justice Jul 2016 #186
Bye, Felicia. bigwillq Jun 2016 #48
bye... better luck in another forum MFM008 Jun 2016 #52
Sorry to see you go Cali. redstatebluegirl Jun 2016 #54
Sorry to see you leave. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #55
See you on the other side! snot Jun 2016 #56
I am sorry to see Worried senior Jun 2016 #57
We don't always see eye to eye, and I will be sorry to see you go because you are a valuable member. still_one Jun 2016 #59
Cali and I used to disagree all the time malaise Jun 2016 #67
I agree. If she leaves DU shel'l be missed because whether I agreed with the points made or still_one Jun 2016 #69
I wrote a few days ago that I pitied any woman who participated in a site msanthrope Jun 2016 #72
Of course I agree. still_one Jun 2016 #76
+1, and open threads with wishes that Hillary be led away in handcuffs while R B Garr Jun 2016 #78
+1 greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #82
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Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #90
And that's exactly right. I had a post hidden in the AA forum where I referred to the losing Number23 Jun 2016 #132
We are all going to walk on eggshells until the new site rules smooth out, and msanthrope Jun 2016 #95
I'm sad for any man who is okay with that kind of language used against any woman. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #129
It wasn't gender specific with those who utilized that word. That doesn't make it any less still_one Jun 2016 #155
IMO, it shows a definite lack of enlightenment, despite all the protests to the contrary. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #156
I agree. On a different note, I am very impressed that you are a great aunt of triplets. WOW!!! still_one Jun 2016 #160
Thanks! Of course, I personally had nothing to do with it. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #161
They grow up too quickly still_one Jun 2016 #163
They certainly do. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #164
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JPR is *much* more than a site that calls Hillary the c-word. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #86
JPR is mental masturbation for distinct trolls who haven't changed much since the frat house. msanthrope Jun 2016 #94
Seriously? You try and equate JPR with those who hate women yet so many women have decided to move slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #145
I equate any person who feels the need to use such vulgarity against any woman, as pathetic and still_one Jun 2016 #157
Are women allowed to be called gendered slurs there? obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #178
Yes. Being a woman, I am well- used to some women msanthrope Jul 2016 #183
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #153
I am REALLY glad I have never once looked at that site obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #177
It's funny how people purport to oppose censorship and then flock to a site geek tragedy Jun 2016 #101
That ALWAYS happens on any offshoot "protest board" obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #179
"Some" may have said, she didn't. truebluegreen Jun 2016 #152
I haven't read every comment in this thread still_one Jun 2016 #158
imho, it would have been better if you had. truebluegreen Jun 2016 #173
LOL Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #62
Typical of you! Nt Logical Jun 2016 #146
Glad you'll have a place to speak more openly, cali. senz Jun 2016 #63
I'm genuinely sorry to see you go. MH1 Jun 2016 #64
. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #65
see you after the election JI7 Jun 2016 #73
I'm sorry to see you go. Texasgal Jun 2016 #74
Thanks for the great insights - best wishes. rurallib Jun 2016 #77
Well damn it all anyway Cali. I'm going to miss your posts and insight. Purveyor Jun 2016 #79
Be well, cali. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #80
You enrich the conversation here. suffragette Jun 2016 #81
Via con Dios. AngryAmish Jun 2016 #83
.. PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #87
Hi Cali - I'm stayin' and fightin' jpak Jun 2016 #88
Be well. There will be better days. Hekate Jun 2016 #89
I enjoyed our agreements and our disagreements. You will be greatly missed. Diversity pampango Jun 2016 #91
Well I'm staying... Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #92
Bye. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #93
meh Buzz Clik Jun 2016 #96
I'm not going to miss you. Scuba Jun 2016 #97
It's a nice site. It's sad that some are unable to R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2016 #122
Meh, I prefer a site where people don't root for Trump to defeat Clinton while calling geek tragedy Jun 2016 #100
this. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #115
And Putin and Assad are seen as good guys. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #121
At least they're not doing it here anymore. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #124
If they do come back, the new ToS should take care of that. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #125
brace yourself for an influx of CONCERN geek tragedy Jun 2016 #126
Yes, I anticipate that. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #127
And in November GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #196
As opposed to a site where people were actively plotting to PPR DUers? hobbit709 Jul 2016 #176
I never participated in such a site nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #182
Makes me wonder why? Loki Jul 2016 #188
Thankfully, DU is about far more than the presidential election Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #103
That's a big loss for this community. mahina Jun 2016 #104
We didn't always agree, but I respected your opinions. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2016 #105
I'm sorry you've made this decision and a little sufrommich Jun 2016 #108
See you on the other side, cali... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #111
You have a lovely summer, too. malthaussen Jun 2016 #112
Man, I hate that. reflection Jun 2016 #116
Tis not farewell... riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #117
I know you're committed to leaving, cali, but I hope you'll return pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #128
You were one of the voices who convinced me I didn't have to settle and switched to Bernie. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #130
I regret that I'm a day late in seeing this - I hope I'm not too late to wish you well. scarletwoman Jun 2016 #133
I surely wish you'd hang in. marble falls Jun 2016 #135
Oh no! This is getting sad. nolabear Jun 2016 #136
I read every single post and I'm sad mountain grammy Jun 2016 #142
It's been a *long* time (years) coming for a GBCW forum/group. UTUSN Jun 2016 #143
Really sorry to hear this LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #149
Cali nooooo Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #151
DU's loss, JPR's gain! All the best and brightest are moving there Arazi Jun 2016 #159
I read through some threads there and "best and brightest" definitely weren't the words that came WhollyHeretic Jun 2016 #162
LOL SunSeeker Jun 2016 #166
At this rate I'll be the longest active member left pretty soon... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #167
This post hidden due to rudeness and incivility GusBob Jun 2016 #169
Will miss you and your OPs. Come back after the election. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #171
In other words take your ball and go home? stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #181
Wish you the best. Your viewpoint is important and will be missed. Mc Mike Jul 2016 #184
sorry to see you go..best wishes today and always.. Stuart G Jul 2016 #187
well, i hope, like many, this place continues to pull at you. mopinko Jul 2016 #189
Hey cali, I understand. Safe travels. progressoid Jul 2016 #190
Let us know when you get tired of dealing with stuff like this... stevenleser Jul 2016 #191
Cali, there is no reason for you to deal with non-stop hate that makes you uncomfortable stevenleser Jul 2016 #192
This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #193
Yeah, I don't get it, either. randome Jul 2016 #194
That site is now Andy823 Jul 2016 #197
I agree with your sentiments in the JPR OP linked above by Steven. LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #195

11 Bravo

(23,922 posts)
185. I understand your feelings. I've cut ...
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jul 2016
way back on my DU time; but I'm not yet ready to pull the plug.
I hope you reconsider, but if not, you will be sincerely missed.

Peacetrain

(22,864 posts)
4. have a good summer.. see you in a few weeks Cali..
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jun 2016

You can no more stay away from this zoo than I can take care

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. I've found a new political online home, so I really am
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jun 2016

leaving. I've never written a goodbye not so cruel world post before. I wouldn't have written it if I intended to stay. After today, I'm just not going to here. I'm no longer comfortable enough to stay.

Be well and take care.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
26. And there are a lot of reasons for that, too.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jun 2016

I'm not there yet, but I can certainly see how someone could get there.

Response to malaise (Reply #36)

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
42. The posting of actual facts is welcome here, made up ones pushed by the RW is not,
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jun 2016

but I'm sure that the "new place" welcomes such things.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
60. It's the Inconvenient Facts that are at issue and the fact that any
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jun 2016

thing that is Inconvenient, is RW. Works like magic.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
120. Well, I got several hides on posts that had inconvenient facts that were not RW at all
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jun 2016

hidden, some people can't handle facts, and some people think that any lie they'd like to believe about people they don't like are "facts" and not RW at all, despite their existence in the RW echo chamber. The "magic" is amazing, when Rove and the Daily Caller etc. are "factual" simply because one wishes their screeds were actually true.

The magic that turned RW smears into "facts" are explained here:
http://thedailybanter.com/2016/01/hillary-gop-smears/

During the primaries such "magic" was often used, and any dissent silenced. Even posts that cited the actual printed writings of a candidate in context and directly were deemed to be "inconvenient" despite their factual attribution, while magic was used to cobble together bits and pieces to create a story that the RW had originated, and were treated as facts.

Aren't you glad that primary season is over and such obvious lame tricks are over now? If that's the type posts one wishes to indulge in there are many places that are not so hot on facts, that do love that magic and where such nonsense is acceptable and invited. This not one of them.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
165. I hear you. I got my very first hide on one of those Inconvenient Facts.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jun 2016

It wasn't even snarky. So, it's good all that is done. Agreed.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
118. You need me to cite the examples of RW sites that were posted here?
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jun 2016

You're more than welcome to do a DU search for your favorite RW site and take a look for yourself.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
119. You're more than welcome to back up your claims...
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:04 PM
Jun 2016

Absent links to what you claim then you really don't have much.
 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
123. You're more than welcome to use the method I described to find your citations to
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jun 2016

to satisfy your curiosity, but you don't seem to be actually concerned about evidence itself, so absent any legitimate argument on your part, you don 't seem to have anything at all to say here.

Absent any actual effort on your part to do your homework, you don't seem to have anything to say. Gee, it almost seems like you would like me to deliberately violate the TOS or something, but surely that's not true right?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
131. LOL!
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jun 2016

Where's your evidence...??

If you make an allegation then it is on your shoulders to back up your claims.

TY for failing and flailing.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
170. If you missed all the bulkshit links to RW sites- you missed plenty. Never seen such trash here-
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jun 2016

Never watched so many people salivate over the likes of Breibert and the frigging Moonie Times.
What an embarrassment this place was, with posters cheering on RW nut jobs.
We ALL saw it.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
175. An allegation was made by a poster against another poster inthis thread.
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:51 AM
Jul 2016

Instead of backing up those allegations I see the usual inability to produce any proof.

Care to continue with lots-o-nothing?
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
137. How would you be "sure that the 'new place' welcomes such things"? What the hell do...
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jun 2016

...you have against the "new place"? C'mon, speak up!

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
147. I actually find it hilarious how many are secretly lurking
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:21 AM
Jun 2016


They have their dream candidate, profess nothing but disdain for Bernie so why the continued "concern'?

She's going to win so no worries right?

ChazII

(6,199 posts)
58. I am more a lurker than a poster.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jun 2016

Or perhaps I should say reader than a poster. I always enjoyed your posts and am sad that you are leaving. Keep yourself safe and take care. Things change but not always for the better and this is one of those times. You will be missed my friend.
Edited to add
Thank you for letting us (me) know you are leaving and the reason why. Many state that they would rather see the individual just leave but I am in the crowd that likes to know what happened and why.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
109. May I ask what makes you feel unwelcome?
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jun 2016

So far the only two posts I have alerted on were people bashing Bernie.

Response to moriah (Reply #109)

moriah

(8,311 posts)
150. Since, if you replied, it was removed before I saw it, if you do come back to read this thread...
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jun 2016

I love you and will miss you. But I hope that my question didn't offend you, nor my behavior here.

Response to cali (Original post)

demmiblue

(36,799 posts)
11. Your voice will be missed.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jun 2016

You have been one of the posters that I have enjoyed the most on this site.

Always intelligent, thoughtful and insightful... no matter who challenged you.

What a loss for DU.

Fare thee well, cali... may the road rise up to meet you.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. When the going heads in a different direction...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jun 2016

well, some people just find it hard. Cali gave abstention a good try.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
18. Bummer, but .. well .. it's not really goodbye.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jun 2016

Will your moniker be the same on JPR? I'm sure to be seeing
you soon 'over there'.

My hat is off to you Cali for your YUUGE contribution to DU over
the years, helping make it an interesting and informative place.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
61. Sounds like you're reading the place quite closely, Hortensis.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jun 2016

Fine, it might do some good. However, it's rather speculative to assume one knows what others are "feeling."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
68. Unfortunately, it's no longer entertaining in a
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:10 PM
Jun 2016

fascinating way now that the owner has been forced put an end to most of the rioting on the "third way" forum. I had discovered it about the time the primary was winding down when someone posted what was happening over there in that one subforum.

For a while, though, I found genuinely fascinating all the seething acting out with Hillary derangement syndrome totally off the leash, evil Democratic plots, the theft of the election and other even more convoluted and amazing conspiracy theories about everything from Benghazi to treason, how Chelsea should be sent to prison, the "loyalty oath" we're all required to sign here at DU, whether referring to certain female politicians by obscene terms was insulting to others on the forum, etc, etc, etc.

I realize that stuff wasn't what you go there for, of course, and now that it's been suppressed I won't either. In any case, hope you and Cali and whomever have a nice time expressing yourselves in a more ideologically comfortable environment.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
99. Lol. Didn't notice any, but wild accusations
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:34 AM
Jun 2016

of evil Democratic Party-backed crimes and tales of personal persecution for being so committed to free speech and progressivism were flying everywhere.

As for Cali, many of her posts on GD were interesting and intelligent. It was the many on GD-P that would not have been missed. Given that, I wish Cali had felt a need to leave last summer and was actually returning now in GD mode. Maybe in a few months, or in the new year...?

bluesbassman

(19,352 posts)
22. DU's loss cali.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jun 2016

I truly understand your decision though. Wish you the best in your future endeavors.

tblue37

(65,150 posts)
24. I wish you would stay, or at least return after the frustration over the primaries
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jun 2016

loses its sharper edges. I too am a Bernie supporter, but I will avidly support Clinton against Trump.

I too feel frustrated that establishment Democrats ignore the way our elections are deformed and defrauded by unverifiable voting, myriad voter suppression tactics, gerrymandering, and other forms of election fraud, and I am sure it is a Faustian bargain made to protect themselves against challenges to their power.

But DU is still the site wehere I get the best information and where I find some of the best political commentary. I admit it devolves into name calling and flamebaiting more often than when I first joined 12 years ago, but I just click away from a thread when that happens.

This primary season has been brutal, no doubt. My greatest disappointment, though, is not that my preferred candidate lost. I have never hated Hillary. I just strongly preferred Bernie. I think Hillary is a good candidate--and so was Martin O'Malley.

What disappointed me was when some of the DU members whose posts I used to look for and read with pleasure started bating and deriding those of us who supported Bernie and calling us and our candidate nasty names. I was seriously surprised and disappointed when some of those DU members started spiking the ball and performing butt-wagging end zone dances after each state Hillary won and especially after she clinched the nomination.

They are people whose posts I have admired in the past, so I was shocked at how they behaved toward Bernie supporters and at the way they smeared the character and record of an honorable man.

Sure, there was similar viciousness against Hillary coming from the Bernie camp, but most of the unreasonably nasty posts against Hillary came from DU members who either had not been here long or whom I had not noticed much before, so their posts dfdfidn't disappoint me the way such comments did when they emanated from those whoise contributions here I had long admired.

The primaries always provoke intemperance, of course. I do thing moist of the vicious posts came from a small but passionate cadre on each side, but since they posted such comments all the time, it made DU suck.

Understand, I am not complaining about honest, reasonable concerns about or criticism of either candidate. I am referring only to the ugly name-calling and the smears directed at each candidate and his or her supporters.

I hope the new rules will declaw some of the most determinedly vicious commenters, and that pretty soon DU will start feeling more like it did before the primaries. As that happens, I hope more of those who are leaving will return.

I hope you will return.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
25. Sorry to see you go.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jun 2016

We didn't always agree, but I was always interested in your opinion, which was well-expressed and sincere.

I hope you decide to return.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
30. I'm new here, and don't know you, but I fail to see how removing oneself from a forum
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jun 2016

helps them to advance their issues.

If one seeks only the counsel of the like-minded, their awareness will inevitably become narrower with time.

Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #30)

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
144. It has already happened to me, and it's not like it doesn't happen elsewhere
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jun 2016

unless you want an echo chamber, that's what a political board is going to be like.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,492 posts)
33. I guess I'll just have to settle for hearing you on Thom Hartmann. But unfortunately you can't
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:24 PM - Edit history (1)

drop all the "fucks" and "bullshits" and such. Won't be the same.

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
34. Happy Trails, Cali
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jun 2016

I've so enjoyed reading your posts here over the years. I'm sure I'll see you "over there".

Crunchy Frog

(26,572 posts)
37. I'm sorry you're not sticking around.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jun 2016

This place just keeps getting more RW. Maybe I'll check out the new place as well.

I'll certainly miss you around here.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
38. We supported different candidates. but I never cared about that.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jun 2016

Enjoyed your posts.

I LOVE that poem, btw. One of my all-time favorites.

The Blue Flower

(5,429 posts)
39. I always found your posts to be worth reading
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jun 2016

I left quietly. The hatefulness and silencing of dissension were not here in 2008.

demmiblue

(36,799 posts)
46. cali has never been tombstoned on DU, much less twice.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

She is/was a good DUer who brought much discussion to the table.

Behind the Aegis

(53,897 posts)
44. I am not sure which camp you feel I fall. Hopefully more friend than foe.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jun 2016

I wish you the best and wish you would stay, but given the circumstances, I also completely understand.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
45. We've had some ups and downs, I am sorry to see you decide this place is no longer friendly.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

Hope to catch you on another forum sometimes.

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
47. I understand the eggshells bit, I think everyone is feeling their way around. It seems like we went
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jun 2016

from one extreme - full on personal attacks as the norm and active posters with 17 hides to another - no transparency and very stilted conversations. I don't know what the right answer was, but I'm not sure this is it. We'll see.

I am sorry to see you go. I'm kind of surprised you would find JPR a comfortable home as they are not the free speech zone they seem to think they are. They restrict speech about Bernie, but it's cool if you want to call Hillary a c*nt.

Good luck, I'll miss your voice.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
85. It's pretty sad if civility seems too difficult for some.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jun 2016

It never should have reached the extreme where it was the wild west in personal attacks.

It wasn't debate anymore, it was smearing.

*Note, I'm not directing this towards you, seaglass, but just adding my thoughts onto yours.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
54. Sorry to see you go Cali.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jun 2016

I don't always agree with you but I always enjoy your view of things and you have changed my way of thinking on some things the past couple of years. I really hope you come back at some point.

still_one

(92,023 posts)
59. We don't always see eye to eye, and I will be sorry to see you go because you are a valuable member.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jun 2016

Some have mentioned in this thread you would be going over to JPR, and while that is your choice, I would be very disappointed.

JPR is a sexist hate site, where they freely call Hillary the "c" word, and make comments about Hillary such as: "If there's any cosmic justice, she will just stroke out"

I really viewed you so much higher than that garbage over.

still_one

(92,023 posts)
69. I agree. If she leaves DU shel'l be missed because whether I agreed with the points made or
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jun 2016

not, they got me thinking

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
72. I wrote a few days ago that I pitied any woman who participated in a site
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:57 PM
Jun 2016

that allowed women to be called the "c" word.

How can one be taken seriously?

R B Garr

(16,946 posts)
78. +1, and open threads with wishes that Hillary be led away in handcuffs while
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:20 PM
Jun 2016

on stage at the Convention. How absolutely ridiculous and just plain laughable. Pitiful. Impossible to take seriously, but it's been that way for a while....

Response to msanthrope (Reply #72)

Response to Post removed (Reply #84)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
132. And that's exactly right. I had a post hidden in the AA forum where I referred to the losing
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jun 2016

candidate's really spectacularly horrible outreach to the black community. There was no attack, just a post discussing what happened during the election and that was hidden as "rehashing the primaries."

Well, when one of the folks that was in the primaries hasn't even conceded, then how can they truly be over? And there is a profound difference between "rehashing the primaries" through attacking and insulting candidates and discussing how things could have been handled differently. The fact that suddenly this is no longer allowed here is incredibly telling and beyond pathetic, imho.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
95. We are all going to walk on eggshells until the new site rules smooth out, and
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:37 AM
Jun 2016

I would appeal any hidden post as a matter of course. Absolutely, just to get admin's thoughts on it.

The post mortem of the BS campaign is inevitable. Alerting to make it go away won't succeed. But some people have to learn that.

As for people's priorities, I am sad for any woman who thinks that progressive goals are furthered on sites where the "c" word is used to describe women. What I would tell those women is:

"Leave those men to their sausagefest and masturbatory echo chamber. They have issues with the women in their lives, and you should not have to be a stand in for other relationships. Their flaccid rhetoric and impotent rage is not advancing your political agenda. Unless, of course, you find value in engaging with such people. You are responsible for yourself."

greatauntoftriplets

(175,726 posts)
129. I'm sad for any man who is okay with that kind of language used against any woman.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jun 2016

What makes me sadder is that a friend of mine is one.

still_one

(92,023 posts)
155. It wasn't gender specific with those who utilized that word. That doesn't make it any less
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jun 2016

repulsive, and in some respects makes it that much sadder

greatauntoftriplets

(175,726 posts)
161. Thanks! Of course, I personally had nothing to do with it.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

Hard to believe that they're already 15 and the two boys are both taller than me (I'm 5' 10&quot . My other niece has twin girls, who are now five, so we are replete with multiples.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,726 posts)
164. They certainly do.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

The triplets are currently learning to drive, which is hard for all of us to believe.

Response to msanthrope (Reply #95)

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
86. JPR is *much* more than a site that calls Hillary the c-word.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jun 2016

It's also a site that calls Elizabeth Warren the c-word. Ever since she endorsed Hillary, that is.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
94. JPR is mental masturbation for distinct trolls who haven't changed much since the frat house.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:28 AM
Jun 2016

These trolls wouldn't have the courage to call the women in their lives such words....so their online bravery is all the more pathetic.

What could be more cowardly than masking themselves with anonymity to use vulgar language against women who would make them shrivel with one glare?

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
145. Seriously? You try and equate JPR with those who hate women yet so many women have decided to move
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jun 2016

from DU?

Do you believe YOUR words so are clever and that women will think otherwise and will continue to stay the course? Many women have disagreed and will disagree with your disparaging and unsubstantiated claims?

Oh my, just try and put every person into some pigeon hole according to gender as many have tried to do with race and age. Do you ever try and read and reflect on what you write?


"JPR is mental masturbation for distinct trolls who haven't changed much since the frat house.

These trolls wouldn't have the courage to call the women in their lives such words....so their online bravery is all the more pathetic.

What could be more cowardly than masking themselves with anonymity to use vulgar language against women who would make them shrivel with one glare?"





 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
183. Yes. Being a woman, I am well- used to some women
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jul 2016

participating in their own oppression.

And yes... If you think the c word is an acceptable moniker to use against women, then you hate women.

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #86)

obamanut2012

(26,019 posts)
177. I am REALLY glad I have never once looked at that site
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:04 AM
Jul 2016


I have a huge problem with people who would call Ann Coulter or Sarah Palin that word, or any gendered slur tbh.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
101. It's funny how people purport to oppose censorship and then flock to a site
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jun 2016

where they explicitly ban mainstream partisan Democrats.

JPR will be an interesting experiment after the convention. I predict much infighting given the personalities involved over there.


obamanut2012

(26,019 posts)
179. That ALWAYS happens on any offshoot "protest board"
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:07 AM
Jul 2016

Not just for DU, but any. I've seen it happen to protest RUNNING boards. The she;f life i, at most, a few months before horrible infighting starts.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
173. imho, it would have been better if you had.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jun 2016

imho, this is why cali felt she was walking on eggshells.

MH1

(17,564 posts)
64. I'm genuinely sorry to see you go.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:44 PM
Jun 2016

I'm one that likes Skinner's new focus on civility. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how that is a big issue for you. You post a lot of good, substantive posts. Sure you may get an occasional hide but that is because you are passionate. I hope you haven't gotten hides due to the new changes, I certainly wouldn't include you as one of the really nasty posters around here that the new rules are aimed at.

The sad thing? The a-holes with 17 hides in 90 days will still be here, until Skinner gives them the boot. I just juried one of those. It wasn't close. I'm betting that at least 12 of his 17 hides weren't close. THAT'S who the new rules are aimed at. Not you.

Texasgal

(17,036 posts)
74. I'm sorry to see you go.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jun 2016

I hope that you too have a nice summer and that we'll see you back during campaign time. *hugs*

pampango

(24,692 posts)
91. I enjoyed our agreements and our disagreements. You will be greatly missed. Diversity
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:05 AM
Jun 2016

of liberal opinion is a great thing ar DU. It will be reduced by your absence.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
92. Well I'm staying...
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:15 AM
Jun 2016

but I don't plan on being monogamous. I won't worry much bout breaking egg shells. As you point out, there are other place to be. I expect to still run into you.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
122. It's a nice site. It's sad that some are unable to
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jun 2016

converse with progressives there without going apeshit here.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
100. Meh, I prefer a site where people don't root for Trump to defeat Clinton while calling
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jun 2016

Clinton and Elizabeth Warren the B-word and the C-word.

But I guess you have different standards.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
124. At least they're not doing it here anymore.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jun 2016

I'm worried that the people saying they'll vote Trump to stop her, calling her Hitlery and a C@nt will return here.

They have a place all of their own, they should stay there.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
196. And in November
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jul 2016

After Hillary wins we will have an influx of new members who know with the lingo and sound familiar.

And they will be welcome.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
188. Makes me wonder why?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jul 2016

How does that fit into one's political ideology and especially a seemingly intelligent woman who would tolerate that language directed toward other women. JPR has become a place where the echo chamber of hate has become the norm and intelligent discourse and respect has gone to die.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
103. Thankfully, DU is about far more than the presidential election
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jun 2016

it dominates at this time of year to be sure for obvious reasons, but there's so much discussion to be had in so many areas that leaving the whole thing because of one area always cracks me up.

mahina

(17,577 posts)
104. That's a big loss for this community.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jun 2016

Thanks for the many insights, laughs, and wisdom.

A big tree falls, and the woods are lessened.

See you in the sky above, etc. Wishing you very well. I hope you return one day. Aloha no.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
108. I'm sorry you've made this decision and a little
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jun 2016

surprised at where you've decided to go. But I wish you the best,to each her own.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
111. See you on the other side, cali...
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jun 2016

...and what a lovely farewell message... Sometimes it just is time to move on.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
116. Man, I hate that.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jun 2016

Early on, years ago, when I delurked someone posted a poll about who their favorite DUer was. I responded 'cali' without hesitation because I loved the passion you brought with you in every post, many of which I disagreed with, many of which I agreed with. But I love people who just put it out there without fear or favor. Take care and thanks for all the wonderful contributions.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
128. I know you're committed to leaving, cali, but I hope you'll return
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:49 AM - Edit history (1)

It's hard--no, imposible--to find a site quite like this one.

And it's always good to leave your options open.

You know you'll always have my best wishes, in any case.

aikoaiko

(34,149 posts)
130. You were one of the voices who convinced me I didn't have to settle and switched to Bernie.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jun 2016


Thank you, Cali.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
133. I regret that I'm a day late in seeing this - I hope I'm not too late to wish you well.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jun 2016

I know I didn't get along with you very well, way back when you first showed up here, but over the ensuing years I have come to appreciate and respect you highly. I hope I eventually came to be numbered among your friends.

Wishing you all the best - I will miss you.

Peace,
sw

mountain grammy

(26,591 posts)
142. I read every single post and I'm sad
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:31 PM
Jun 2016

for DU without you. I'll see you elsewhere, but, unlike you, I'm not nearly ready to leave here. There's way too much news and science, and far too many laughs, and I couldn't get through the day without checking in on my atheist group. Good luck. Here's to a huge Democratic victory in November, from top to bottom. That's all that counts any more.

UTUSN

(70,618 posts)
143. It's been a *long* time (years) coming for a GBCW forum/group.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

Also, one titled, "DU was better back at some previous date."

LeftishBrit

(41,200 posts)
149. Really sorry to hear this
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:15 AM
Jun 2016

You were one of the posters that I most respected.

If your reason is what I'm guessing it might be, it would be hypocritical for me to blame you, given that the reason that I joined DU in the first place is that in 2004 I found no political party home in my own country.

But I hope we may meet again here one day!

All the best from across the pond.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
151. Cali nooooo
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jun 2016

We don't always agree but don't go!! We need everyone!!!!!! All voices should be heard!

WhollyHeretic

(4,074 posts)
162. I read through some threads there and "best and brightest" definitely weren't the words that came
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

to mind.

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
184. Wish you the best. Your viewpoint is important and will be missed.
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jul 2016

I'd read your posts based just on you being the post-er, never mind the subject/title.

mopinko

(69,938 posts)
189. well, i hope, like many, this place continues to pull at you.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jul 2016

it's a pretty hard habit to break.
i will miss you.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
191. Let us know when you get tired of dealing with stuff like this...
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jul 2016
http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/yes-i-prefer-democrats-win-in-november/

The responses to you in particular and the kind of debate those folks engage in generally is exactly why I am happy they are no longer here.

Response to stevenleser (Reply #192)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
194. Yeah, I don't get it, either.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:06 AM
Jul 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
197. That site is now
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:55 AM
Jul 2016

Filled with the "anyone but Hillary" crowd the used to post here as the anti Obama, and then started the "anyone but Hillary" crap. It was started to get people to NOT vote for Hillary, and now the vast majority over there are NOT real supporters of Bernie, and they never were. I hope the sane ones can see through the con job and leave before they become one of the haters.

LostOne4Ever

(9,282 posts)
195. I agree with your sentiments in the JPR OP linked above by Steven.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:07 AM
Jul 2016

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#00009d]I loved Bernie, I didn't hate Hillary. I disagreed with her STRONGLY on many issues. But I didn't hate her, and I support the democratic party.

And I do feel strongly that Trump and the Republican party must be stopped.

That is why I won't be posting over there for the foreseeable future.[/font]

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