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trof

(54,256 posts)
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:34 PM Jun 2016

Bernie's asking for money for his delegates.

email:
"Before our nearly 1,900 delegates can vote at the Democratic convention next month, we need to actually get them to Philadelphia.

Here's the thing: our delegates are not wealthy campaign contributors. They're not party insiders or establishment elites. They're working folks, and it's not easy for many of them to fly to Philly and stay in hotels for a week.

We really need to have all of our delegates at the Democratic convention because we expect there could be critical votes for the party platform and electoral process. We'd hate to fall short on these votes because some of our delegates couldn't afford to go to the convention.

That's why I'm asking you directly:
Make a $35 contribution to our campaign before Thursday's midnight FEC deadline to help our delegates come to the Democratic convention so we can have our entire political revolution represented next month in Philadelphia."


OK, I supported Bernie and I gave $35 during the primaries, twice.
But this just puts me off.
If a delegate can't afford to make the convention, then raise the money needed among constituents, locally. Have bake sales or whatever.
I resent using Bernie's national email database to raise further funds.

The primaries are over.
Hillary won.
I support her now.
This appeal just strikes me as tacky and not at all classy.



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Bernie's asking for money for his delegates. (Original Post) trof Jun 2016 OP
Let's be honest, a lot of people got fat off those $27 buck donations, and won't get off that gravy Tarheel_Dem Jun 2016 #1
I never heard of any candidate asking for money for their delegates to attend their convection katmondoo Jun 2016 #2
Me neither. trof Jun 2016 #4
Yes, better they should take advantage of the corporate largess that is readily available... Human101948 Jun 2016 #30
Most delegates for both candidates are basically in the same economic situation..... George II Jun 2016 #40
See begging Hillary delegate below... Human101948 Jun 2016 #46
Being a delegate is not cheap Gothmog Jun 2016 #176
Hillary supporter begging for money... Human101948 Jun 2016 #43
Good for them. DELEGATES turn to gofundme. George II Jun 2016 #50
What's the difference? Human101948 Jun 2016 #52
One is expecting her delegates leftynyc Jun 2016 #167
There's a story about a local girl, xmas74 Jun 2016 #174
I think it's a very simple concept leftynyc Jun 2016 #182
That's why I never attempted. xmas74 Jun 2016 #190
I love hearing about leftynyc Jun 2016 #191
I've seen some local fundraisers for Bernie delegates BainsBane Jun 2016 #63
But he's finding his own way, xmas74 Jun 2016 #175
What corporate largess? BainsBane Jun 2016 #61
As someone pointed out, the corporate cash only starts flowing at the Convention... Human101948 Jun 2016 #64
The corporate cash funds the convention BainsBane Jun 2016 #65
I've been a delegate to our State Convention for the last 12 years (6 conventions). Although.... George II Jun 2016 #66
and registration fees BainsBane Jun 2016 #69
I know that here the state party sent out information on what the costs could be dflprincess Jun 2016 #117
I would love to find out about this also Gothmog Jun 2016 #177
What "corporate largess" to get to the convention? George II Jun 2016 #67
Seems obvious to me.... RichGirl Jun 2016 #158
That's fine. If people want to give, that's their right. bigwillq Jun 2016 #3
OK big, that's not really the point. trof Jun 2016 #6
And you're free to think that. bigwillq Jun 2016 #7
Could they apply for refugee status? (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #5
I'm OK with this and I trust Bernie that the funds will be used appropriately. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #8
No. DURHAM D Jun 2016 #19
That is a lovely story. Thanks for the post. riversedge Jun 2016 #29
That anecdote certainly proves it for me... Human101948 Jun 2016 #35
None of those corporate sponsorships pay for delegates' travel. yardwork Jun 2016 #38
That's not necessarily true. Super PACS can, and have, paid for delegate Exilednight Jun 2016 #54
Do you have a reliable source for this info? Human101948 Jun 2016 #68
Which delegate travel did they pay for? BainsBane Jun 2016 #78
Link, please. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #154
From the FEC website. Exilednight Jun 2016 #157
No "massive supporting super PACS" are paying for delegates to attend the convention. George II Jun 2016 #41
What evidence do you have that superpacs pay for delegates BainsBane Jun 2016 #76
Fair enough. I really wasn't thinking of HRC, but if the phrase "massive supporting superPACS" makes aikoaiko Jun 2016 #93
These type of expenditures are not why superpacs exist BainsBane Jun 2016 #110
This is starting to be a bit much JMHO n/t Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #9
not all constituents are equal and can afford to send someone hollysmom Jun 2016 #10
Politico June 20, 2016: Sanders still has $9,000,000 in campaign funds. trof Jun 2016 #13
9,000,000 / 1900 metroins Jun 2016 #27
I bet some would like that. No messy "ideas" fights with he platform. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #141
some ideas seem contrary to democracy hollysmom Jun 2016 #147
4/5 of his own platform committee delegates have now approved the platform with changes. pnwmom Jun 2016 #155
Yep. Finally. ehrnst Jun 2016 #161
Senator Sanders liberal from boston Jun 2016 #150
he also needs it for candidates he's backing nt. shireen Jun 2016 #183
Delegates are elected by district. A Clinton delegate running against a Sanders delegate.... George II Jun 2016 #45
Just Wondering Me. Jun 2016 #11
Bingo! trof Jun 2016 #14
He still has staff (? how many), he travels-with staff to St. Louis, will go to Orlando riversedge Jun 2016 #33
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #130
I would think Sherman A1 Jun 2016 #12
I agree. trof Jun 2016 #15
Except for those begging Hillary delegates... Human101948 Jun 2016 #49
So you're fine with begging when it's Bernie doing the begging, is that what synergie Jun 2016 #106
Might be nice to have some low income Downwinder Jun 2016 #16
See up thread. Many delegates are not wealthy. yardwork Jun 2016 #39
Based on the last FEC filing.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #17
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #142
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2016 #156
Being a delegate isn't cheap Retrograde Jun 2016 #18
Oh please.... Txbluedog Jun 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author redstatebluegirl Jun 2016 #21
. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #22
That's a new one oberliner Jun 2016 #23
That seems unfortunate mcar Jun 2016 #24
Doesn't the campaign have millions? tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #25
Why isn't Hillary helping her delegates Human101948 Jun 2016 #51
You're spamming the thread. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #71
some people need repetition to grasp the facts... Human101948 Jun 2016 #74
The facts are not difficult to grasp, Bernie is begging for funds for his delegates synergie Jun 2016 #108
^^^ THIS ^^^ cosmicone Jun 2016 #127
Do you think disabled people only want Medicare for all out of selfish desires? JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #143
Disabled people are already on Medicare cosmicone Jun 2016 #145
That's very interesting. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #146
Medicare for all is not single payer, do you even know what type of healthcare you synergie Jun 2016 #170
Slow clap. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #163
+1 tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #169
I'd like to see an FEC filing demonstrating BainsBane Jun 2016 #82
It's definitely a sign of ignorance on the part of the campaign and the delegates. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #26
There's always Twitter. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #79
I have several friends who were delegates in 2012 Gothmog Jun 2016 #178
I'm confused, I received the same email except the donation amount is different from yours MagickMuffin Jun 2016 #28
I think it's tied to the size of past donations caraher Jun 2016 #47
So he would rather take money from poor delegates then to face reality and support the likely MariaThinks Jun 2016 #31
This rubs me the wrong way for the same reason. IME, delegates are expected to raise their own Brickbat Jun 2016 #32
Interesting where did you get that experience? HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #44
At the CD and state conventions when national delegates were elected. Brickbat Jun 2016 #96
Interesting, really never heard this before. What state(s) did you find this in? HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #98
Never really heard what? Brickbat Jun 2016 #102
Never heard delegates couldn't ask for non-local donations to help defer cost of convention going HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #104
Which is not what I said. Brickbat Jun 2016 #107
Well, there's an expecatation, that is apparently enforced with disdain from peers who violate it HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #109
I agree with your sentiments and your last sentence. George II Jun 2016 #34
I was elected on June 11 and found out k8conant Jun 2016 #185
Thanks for the explanation, K8Conant. Hortensis Jun 2016 #192
K&R! Cha Jun 2016 #36
I have no objection Trajan Jun 2016 #37
OK, but I think you're being preyed upon. trof Jun 2016 #42
* Trajan Jun 2016 #105
This OP strikes me as "tacky and not classy at all." hay rick Jun 2016 #48
Struck me the same way. Attention seeking. Some do it one way Hiraeth Jun 2016 #118
Sanders raised most money in history, don't disparage folk for lookin at him sideways for not having uponit7771 Jun 2016 #134
WTF? DesertFlower Jun 2016 #53
Wow, Bernie just can't win with you guys. retrowire Jun 2016 #55
Umm... he's raising money for his own delegates... not "fellow dems" NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #56
Exactly (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #62
So... sangfroid Jun 2016 #80
Those delegates are.... retrowire Jun 2016 #116
They are not running for a public office as a democrat cosmicone Jun 2016 #140
I have never - ever - seen this kind BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #57
I Have. sangfroid Jun 2016 #87
Your experience actually sounds BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #94
What? No corporate sponsors? jalan48 Jun 2016 #58
No. Delegates pay their own way. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #162
I donated. zentrum Jun 2016 #59
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #88
It's fine. Sending delegates to the convention is a political act, and it's fine MH1 Jun 2016 #60
This Sanders-bashing is just mean spirited.. Shebear Jun 2016 #73
Welcome to DU. hay rick Jun 2016 #139
If Hillary had thought of this you would all be singing her praises. ciaobaby Jun 2016 #70
We were happy to donate. Duval Jun 2016 #72
Bernie gives new meaning to the word Chutzpah. How does this help defeat Trump? Hekate Jun 2016 #75
simple - it gets people involved in the democratic process, encourages all participation, ciaobaby Jun 2016 #77
Amen 840high Jun 2016 #128
Who?! His movement has moved to Clinton in higher numbers than moved to Obama at same time ! uponit7771 Jun 2016 #135
priorities, priorities BainsBane Jun 2016 #83
The platform is still up for grabs Trajan Jun 2016 #103
locking thread for serial rule breaking Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #81
I kicked in $50 earlier today. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #84
How much money do you think "the Democratic Party has"? BainsBane Jun 2016 #149
They have enough money RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #160
More "Fall in line" nonsense - I donated again too. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #85
How many delegates could have gone on the 600k spent on the Roman Holiday? nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #86
Bingo. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #187
If you want to be a delegate to the National Convention, SheilaT Jun 2016 #89
Hmmm. Audacity to ask for help? HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #100
So, the convention is only for those with the financial means to pay their own way? MH1 Jun 2016 #166
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #90
$700K spent on a useless Rome trip could have been used here cosmicone Jun 2016 #91
snap! BainsBane Jun 2016 #92
As I noted above, the Roman Holiday could have sent many to Philly. msanthrope Jun 2016 #95
Assuming about $2000 avg. per delegate, he could send almost 400 (>20%) of his delegates.... George II Jun 2016 #120
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #137
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #97
* Trajan Jun 2016 #101
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #138
for the win BainsBane Jun 2016 #148
+1000 tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #171
Money to help people go party? liberal N proud Jun 2016 #99
Lol, we had a blast with that one twitter. giftedgirl77 Jun 2016 #111
Does he think the other delegates are filthy rich? WhiteTara Jun 2016 #112
I always thought that it was the responsibility of the DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #113
You donated to Bernie $35 twice during the prmary? What a coincidence! merrily Jun 2016 #114
Then don't send money and have your name taken off the mail list. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #115
I didn't ask to have my email address added to the mailing list, but they got it from "somewhere"... George II Jun 2016 #126
Why should anyone care what you think, trof? ReRe Jun 2016 #119
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #129
Wait a minute... ReRe Jun 2016 #159
I thought sarcasm was implied. n/t cosmicone Jun 2016 #165
I had no trouble understanding your point Gothmog Jun 2016 #186
Sorry... ReRe Jun 2016 #188
Well, I guess you cared enough to comment. trof Jun 2016 #168
I retract my apology of above. ReRe Jun 2016 #189
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #193
I've been thinking these practical thoughts about the whole "revolution" thingie.... R B Garr Jun 2016 #121
Dear Bernie: Take off the suit and tie and go to the beach. tavernier Jun 2016 #122
I can think of a hundred causes I'd support first. oasis Jun 2016 #123
Bernie has $9 million cash on hand MaggieD Jun 2016 #124
I agree with you. Tacky, crass and feels incredibly dishonest too. Number23 Jun 2016 #125
+1, I find it funny the guy who raked the most money during primaries is asking for money for folk uponit7771 Jun 2016 #136
For real. He should have made more than enough to send all the delegates he wants Number23 Jun 2016 #152
"Tacky, crass and feels incredibly dishonest too". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2016 #172
It benefits dems so I'll donate. 840high Jun 2016 #131
Wait, this guy raises more money than anyone else and now ask for more money for delegates? WTF? uponit7771 Jun 2016 #132
My local party held fundraisers to send delegates to the state convention WolverineDG Jun 2016 #133
I'll donate. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #144
It's the two-way street in DU's "new rules." Miles Archer Jun 2016 #164
"The primaries are over. Now let's all have our two minute hate against Bernie" Scootaloo Jun 2016 #151
With the outrageous costs associated with attending the convention, I see this silvershadow Jun 2016 #153
It's very low class to try to troll Sanders supporters at this point. Marr Jun 2016 #173
Are you talking to me? trof Jun 2016 #179
i've not stopped my monthly contributions to Bernie shireen Jun 2016 #180
Jesus Christ, people! trof Jun 2016 #181
I see absolutely no problem with this. Aerows Jun 2016 #184

Tarheel_Dem

(31,232 posts)
1. Let's be honest, a lot of people got fat off those $27 buck donations, and won't get off that gravy
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jun 2016

train without a fight.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
30. Yes, better they should take advantage of the corporate largess that is readily available...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jun 2016

There's certainly no obligation for accepting those donations.

George II

(67,782 posts)
40. Most delegates for both candidates are basically in the same economic situation.....
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jun 2016

I've been following politics for 40+ years, never saw a candidate asking for money so his delegates could get to the convention.

To most delegates, being elected to a National Convention is an honor that is planned for well in advance of the convention.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
46. See begging Hillary delegate below...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jun 2016

When will you give up on this Bernie bashing? Hillary has it in the bag.

Perhaps Bernie thinks that it's a good thing to help out his delegates. What's Hillary doing for her delegates?

Gothmog

(145,129 posts)
176. Being a delegate is not cheap
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jun 2016

There are gofundme sites for some Clinton delegates and in 2008 we held a fundraiser for a young lady going to Denver who was a single mom. She ended up in a commercial for President Obama.

I am on a private group for Clinton delegates and there are people looking for roomates and people doing fundraisers to go to Philadelphia.

As you noted, this is an honor and one that has to be planned for.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
43. Hillary supporter begging for money...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jun 2016

For delegates, the cost of participating in the nominating process can run into the thousands of dollars. They often have to pay for travel to the conventions, hotel rooms, meals and incidentals. State parties may also require delegates to pay fees for participation.

To offset some of the costs, Mr. Atkinson, like a number of other delegates, has set up a fundraising campaign on the website GoFundMe, which allows people to raise money for personal and charitable causes. So far, it has produced $400 of the $800 he hopes to raise from friends and family. Mr. Atkinson, a 28-year-old lawyer from Emporia, Kan., also found a room on AirBnB for the week that is cheaper than staying with his state’s delegation for a single night.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/delegates-turn-to-gofundme-to-pay-way-to-conventions-1461781747

How dare Bernie try to get his delegates to the convention!

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. Good for them. DELEGATES turn to gofundme.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jun 2016

These are DELEGATES raising money for themselves, not the candidate using his national contact database raising money.

Big difference.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
167. One is expecting her delegates
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jun 2016

to make their way to the convention however THEY can raise the money or don't be a delegate and the other is begging his supporters to pay his delegate's way. It's not rocket science.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
174. There's a story about a local girl,
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jun 2016

still in high school, who will be a delegate for HRC. She's incredible, still in high school, and she's finding ways to raise her own fees. From what I've heard, she's already found the money and paid for it without help from family.

I'm not saying that everyone can do this but I was very impressed that she was so committed to it that she found ways to get her money.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
182. I think it's a very simple concept
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jun 2016

If you can't afford to attend the convention or don't think you can raise the funds, don't sign up to be elected a delegate.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
190. That's why I never attempted.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:24 PM
Jun 2016

I knew I couldn't get the time off and that I probably couldn't get the money. The Rolling Stones once said that you can't always get what you want. I'd agree. This young woman really wanted it and decided she'd find ways to get it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
191. I love hearing about
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:35 AM
Jun 2016

enthusiasm with the younger voters. My parents got me involved starting with taking me and my sister into the voting booths when we were little kids. One of my earliest "political" memories was my very liberal childhood neighborhood's celebration when Nixon resigned - I was 12.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
63. I've seen some local fundraisers for Bernie delegates
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jun 2016

as well as Gofundme campaigns. Seems to me the best way to contribute to those delegates is to do so directly.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
175. But he's finding his own way,
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jun 2016

not asking for help with a national newsletter. There's a difference.

I've known delegates and they've always known that they were expected to find the money somehow or to decline the honor. It's always been that way. Heck, I would love nothing more than to be a delegate but have never tried because I can't afford to take off work or the actual costs involved. That's life.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
61. What corporate largess?
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jun 2016

Please, do tell. If there is some pipe line to cash for Clinton supporters, I need to be tapped in.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
64. As someone pointed out, the corporate cash only starts flowing at the Convention...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe you can do Go Fund Me?

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
65. The corporate cash funds the convention
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jun 2016

not delegates. There is no option for corporate money for delegates. They go on their own dime.

I wasn't elected a delegate to the DNC, though I did try. I only got as far as the state convention.

George II

(67,782 posts)
66. I've been a delegate to our State Convention for the last 12 years (6 conventions). Although....
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:10 PM
Jun 2016

....I'm in a small state so delegates don't have overnight stays to worry about (I'm actually 6 miles from our Convention Center) we all pay our own travel expenses, meals, etc.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
69. and registration fees
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jun 2016

Before the elections for Clinton delegates to the national convention, the guy conducting it warned everyone it would be very expensive, more expensive than previous national conventions. He specified what the hotel costs, estimated air fare, total costs, etc.

I didn't see the election proceedings for the Sanders delegates, so I don't know if they made a similar announcement.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
117. I know that here the state party sent out information on what the costs could be
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:18 PM
Jun 2016

and supplied it to anyone who thought they might want to be delegate regardless of the candidate they were supporting.

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
158. Seems obvious to me....
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:19 AM
Jun 2016

The whole point of being a delegate is to vote for your candidate. If you know your going to have to go to a convention...wouldn't you make sure you have the money well in advance? The local Democratic party could help them. They could do fundraisers.

If you apply to be delegate...first question should be...will you attend convention???

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
3. That's fine. If people want to give, that's their right.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jun 2016

If one doesn't want to give, they're not being forced to.

trof

(54,256 posts)
6. OK big, that's not really the point.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jun 2016

Of course we're not being "forced".
It's the asking that's demeaning.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
8. I'm OK with this and I trust Bernie that the funds will be used appropriately.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jun 2016


I think this is one of those things that happens when you don't have massive supporting super PACS.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
19. No.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jun 2016

At my caucus a discussion immediately took place after the voting about the likely costs one would encounter if they wanted to be a delegate to the state convention followed by a discussion about the cost of going onto national if they were so lucky.

One of the strong Hillary supporters was a college student and a single mother and expressed an interest in going to state but was unsure she could afford it. An older gentlemen immediately removed his hat and passed it around. Everyone contributed to the pot and she was elected as a delegate.

Does a farmer with a hat seem like a super PAC to you?

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
35. That anecdote certainly proves it for me...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jun 2016

Nice story but the conventions are a phenomenal opportunity for corporations to buy influence.

Who's Paying for the Conventions? Corporate Sponsors Pour Millions into Party Coffers

Well, the money is given not to the convention specifically, but to the host committee for the convention, but the host committee for the convention’s fundraisers are people from the party that’s holding the convention, so it’s like giving the money directly to the party.
And what we know about them before the convention is just whatever the host committees feel like disclosing. There are no requirements to disclose the donors and the amounts that they are giving. And, in fact, neither of the host committees this year for either convention, unlike past years, have chosen to disclose officially the amounts of money that they’re getting. And the amounts are very large, because, combined, private money for support of the two conventions this year will exceed $112 million. So, all we know at this point is unofficially, or some companies have, you know, decided to release this information voluntarily.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/22/whos_paying_for_the_conventions_corporate

Numbers from 2008. double it and you might get the true figure for corporate graft in 2016

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
54. That's not necessarily true. Super PACS can, and have, paid for delegate
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jun 2016

Travel. And as we all know, many Super PACs are funded by corporations.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
157. From the FEC website.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:08 AM
Jun 2016

Do Delegate Committees Have to File FEC Reports?

Possibly. A delegate committee becomes a "political committee" under federal law once it receives contributions or makes expenditures exceeding $1,000 in a calendar year. 11 CFR 100.5(a) and (e)(5); 110.14(b)(2). At that point, the committee must register with the FEC within 10 days and begin filing periodic FEC reports to disclose its receipts and disbursements. 11 CFR 102.1(d) and 104.1(a). All pre-registration activity must be disclosed in the first report. 11 CFR 104.3(a) and (b). Note that a delegate committee that has triggered status as a federal political committee must include the word "delegate" or "delegates" in its name. It may also include the name of the presidential candidate it supports. 11 CFR 102.14(b)(1).

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
76. What evidence do you have that superpacs pay for delegates
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jun 2016

to go to the national convention? I get that the Madison avenue sloganeering was a key to the primary, but those elections are over. I would appreciate if you stop making accusations against Clinton supporters.

I also suggest you check the FEC and Open Secrets regarding Super Pacs for Sanders.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
93. Fair enough. I really wasn't thinking of HRC, but if the phrase "massive supporting superPACS" makes
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jun 2016

...you think of HRC, I guess I can understand that.

I have no evidence of it happening, but it is allowed and it might explain why the OP hadn't seen a candidate fundraise for delegates before.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/delegate.shtml

These types of expenditures are the reason superPACS exist. It's not illegal or scandalous. It's just a part of most modern presidential elections.

I'm under the impression that Usually delegates self-pay or fundraise themselves, but i would think it a good investment to get delegates to the convention.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
110. These type of expenditures are not why superpacs exist
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jun 2016

They do not exist to get delegates to conventions but because Scotus determined that private entities have the right to create and pay for political ads. They are hardly a means of funding ordinary delegates. Moreover, the knee jerk claim that Clinton delegates are bought and paid for by superpacs is insulting.

I was present at the election of delegates to the DNC from my congressional district and unsuccessfully ran for a spot myself. We were warned in advance it would be very expensive to attend the convention. We were given estimates as to what we should expect to pay for lodging, airfare, etc... No one said, "Hey, you're with Clinton so Wall Street is paying for you."

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
10. not all constituents are equal and can afford to send someone
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jun 2016
If a delegate can't afford to make the convention, then raise the money needed among constituents, locally. Have bake sales or whatever.

other people just don't care enough to support government and that is why we have the people representing us now. It is not tacky to ask money to support them, it is tacky to demand it. he is asking. Just like he is asking for people to support their local progressive candidate.
if you don't want to contribute, you don't have to, And while you are at it, you can ignore all the go fund me things you want, I don't know a lot of people using that page that, but I do have a friend with cancer who is doing it so she doesn't have to sleep in the streets when she goes for experimental treatment. You could say she already has a home why does she need more money - well because the experimental treatment is on the other side of the country. All her expendable money goes for airfare - she could skip the treatment, it probably won't save her, but it gives her a sliver of hope - she the odds are seriously stacked against her, still. she has to try. Sanders won't win, but he has to try.

trof

(54,256 posts)
13. Politico June 20, 2016: Sanders still has $9,000,000 in campaign funds.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?_r=0

Isn't that enough to send some of his delegates to the convention?
He's not going to spend it on TV ads.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
27. 9,000,000 / 1900
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jun 2016

4736 per delegate.

I think it's an absolutely awful waste of money. All extra money (after debts) should go towards the GE and down ticket races that can be won.

No Bernie delegates even need to go to the convention, the race is over. Time to win in November.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
147. some ideas seem contrary to democracy
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:29 AM
Jun 2016

don't we want all representatives there? if there are too many delegates - cut some down. like maybe super delegates. (j/k)

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
155. 4/5 of his own platform committee delegates have now approved the platform with changes.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:02 AM
Jun 2016

The fights are over.

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. Delegates are elected by district. A Clinton delegate running against a Sanders delegate....
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jun 2016

...basically have the same constituency.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
11. Just Wondering
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jun 2016

Why the Senator doesn't use some of those millions he has banked to get his delegates to the convention.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
33. He still has staff (? how many), he travels-with staff to St. Louis, will go to Orlando
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jun 2016

then the convention. That money is going to evaporate quickly.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
12. I would think
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jun 2016

an individual who has put themselves forward as a potential delegate to a national convention, would have understood from the beginning that there might be travel costs involved. Granted rates will be high and it may challenge some budgets, but to have not understood that from the beginning to me is at best a bit unusual.

I support Bernie's campaign and efforts, but this is a bit peculiar.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
49. Except for those begging Hillary delegates...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jun 2016

For delegates, the cost of participating in the nominating process can run into the thousands of dollars. They often have to pay for travel to the conventions, hotel rooms, meals and incidentals. State parties may also require delegates to pay fees for participation.

To offset some of the costs, Mr. Atkinson, like a number of other delegates, has set up a fundraising campaign on the website GoFundMe, which allows people to raise money for personal and charitable causes. So far, it has produced $400 of the $800 he hopes to raise from friends and family. Mr. Atkinson, a 28-year-old lawyer from Emporia, Kan., also found a room on AirBnB for the week that is cheaper than staying with his state’s delegation for a single night.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/delegates-turn-to-gofundme-to-pay-way-to-conventions-1461781747

How dare Bernie try to get his delegates to the convention!

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
106. So you're fine with begging when it's Bernie doing the begging, is that what
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jun 2016

you're saying? That delegates are doing their job and seeking to raise funds on their own is somehow terrible because it's Hillary, but when Bernie's delegates can't figure out how to plan ahead or do anything on their own and needs Bernie to do, as you put it, the 'begging' for them then that is pure and honorable?

How dare Hillary's delegates do what delegates have always done and seek to raise the money to pay their way to the convention? Why, it would be so much more honorable if they just demanded that she do it for them and "beg for money" on their behalf, like Bernie is doing?

What interesting double standards you have!

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
17. Based on the last FEC filing....
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie still had millions in campaign cash. Why not use that? Seems a bit odd to me, but it's not like donations are mandatory.

Response to Adrahil (Reply #17)

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
18. Being a delegate isn't cheap
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jun 2016

I know two people who were urged to run as delegates but declined because Philadelphia was just too expensive for them. If the money is going to delegates who need it, I think that's a good use for it. I've never heard of this being done before though - is it a legal use of campaign funds?

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
20. Oh please....
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jun 2016

This is just a cover story when all of the 1900+ don't show up.....

They realize that with Hillary being the presumptive nominee, a lot of people including delegates have lost interest. I am guessing that the delegates are demanding that the campaign pay their way or they aren't going

Response to trof (Original post)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. That's a new one
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016

Isn't up to the delegates to figure out a way to get themselves to the convention?

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
51. Why isn't Hillary helping her delegates
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jun 2016

For delegates, the cost of participating in the nominating process can run into the thousands of dollars. They often have to pay for travel to the conventions, hotel rooms, meals and incidentals. State parties may also require delegates to pay fees for participation.

To offset some of the costs, Mr. Atkinson, like a number of other delegates, has set up a fundraising campaign on the website GoFundMe, which allows people to raise money for personal and charitable causes. So far, it has produced $400 of the $800 he hopes to raise from friends and family. Mr. Atkinson, a 28-year-old lawyer from Emporia, Kan., also found a room on AirBnB for the week that is cheaper than staying with his state’s delegation for a single night.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/delegates-turn-to-gofundme-to-pay-way-to-conventions-1461781747

How dare Bernie try to get his delegates to the convention!

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
108. The facts are not difficult to grasp, Bernie is begging for funds for his delegates
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jun 2016

who according to you are not as responsible or proactive like the Hillary delegate you've been disparaging, and when Bernie does it's pure and good, but when a millennial HRC delegate plans out his trip and expenses and sets up a funding page so that his friends and family can help him out, it's somehow a black mark against Hillary?

Repeating the same thing over and over by spamming this thread doesn't seem to be helping you to grasp the facts or understand your clear double standards here.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
170. Medicare for all is not single payer, do you even know what type of healthcare you
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jun 2016

are advocating for? Why do you want Medicare for all, when so many require additional insurance because the current system is inadequate? These things just see, to be buzzwords for you guys, and Bernue too, like you really did nit do your homework and don't realize what you are talking about in the least.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
82. I'd like to see an FEC filing demonstrating
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders has actually paid out money for delegate travel.

Gothmog

(145,129 posts)
178. I have several friends who were delegates in 2012
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jun 2016

It is no secret as to the costs of being a delegate

I will give a report when I get back

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
28. I'm confused, I received the same email except the donation amount is different from yours
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jun 2016
That's why I'm asking you directly:

Make a $2.70 contribution to our campaign before Thursday's midnight FEC deadline to help our delegates come to the Democratic convention so we can have our entire political revolution represented next month in Philadelphia.

You'd be shocked at how expensive it is to attend the Democratic convention. It can cost more than $4,000 per delegate!



I wonder why your donation is a lot larger than the one I received?


caraher

(6,278 posts)
47. I think it's tied to the size of past donations
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jun 2016

My email asked for the amount of my largest donation to the campaign.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
31. So he would rather take money from poor delegates then to face reality and support the likely
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jun 2016

nominee.

I am extremely revolted by this behavior.

Bernie only cares about Bernie.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
32. This rubs me the wrong way for the same reason. IME, delegates are expected to raise their own
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jun 2016

money locally -- and to not run for delegate if they don't think they can get the money together. This doesn't limit it to people who can fund their own way; the national delegates I know all relied on local fundraising. Going to the national convention isn't a junket. It's a serious commitment that should be viewed as a work trip.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
44. Interesting where did you get that experience?
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jun 2016

I've never been close enough to any delegate to know how they were funded.

On it's face if candidates for office can do that, and they do, I don't see what makes it a special problem for convention delegates.

George II

(67,782 posts)
34. I agree with your sentiments and your last sentence.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jun 2016

Many delegates were elected months ago, they should have started planning back then for the trip.

k8conant

(3,030 posts)
185. I was elected on June 11 and found out
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jun 2016

that our hotel cost was $229 + tax per night. Fortunately, I have gotten 2 roommates since then (one Bernie; one Hillary) so that's down to 76.34 + tax per night or $381.70 + tax for 5 nights. I happen to be lucky enough to be only 180 miles from King of Prussia (where our WV delegation will stay at the DoubleTree) so I'll drive there and home for under $30 in gas. Meals? I don't know. I think breakfast is included, so maybe another $200? I'm not sure about incidentals.

So far I have raised $174 on gofundme.com/kate2philly and $10 other. I lowered my funding total from $2000 to $1000 after I got the roommates. The Bernie campaign had us fill out financial forms which I expect they'll use to see how to divvy up the funds that they have. I'll get there regardless and want to see others get there (many of whom must pay up to $650 * 5 = $3250 for hotel and up to $1200 for round-trip airfare). One thing that happened is that those who don't stay at the hotels must still get their credentials at the hotel each morning).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
192. Thanks for the explanation, K8Conant.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jun 2016

It sounds like all you guys are handling it. At $250/night I'd likely have planned on sleeping in my car and/or commuting in from some distant Motel 6 where I could get a shower (and maybe sharing that! lol), but I'm glad you'll be comfy and convenient, and right in the middle of it. Enjoy.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
37. I have no objection
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jun 2016

I sent a number of donations today to different down ticket dems on Bernie's list. .. I'm happy to contribute for this cause as well ....

trof

(54,256 posts)
42. OK, but I think you're being preyed upon.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jun 2016

It's entirely up to you how you spend your money.
I just don't see this as a "cause".

hay rick

(7,604 posts)
48. This OP strikes me as "tacky and not classy at all."
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:49 PM
Jun 2016

Helping Bernie delegates get to the convention is not taking a swipe at Hillary. I personally know 3 Bernie delegates and they are all doing local fundraisers to help pay for their stay. They are working/middle class and don't have $4,000+ lying around. I also know 3 Hillary delegates and they are not doing fundraisers. They are a lawyer, a nurse married to a doctor, and a pharmacist married to a doctor. If you really want to support Hillary, attacking Bernie and his supporters is counterproductive.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
134. Sanders raised most money in history, don't disparage folk for lookin at him sideways for not having
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jun 2016

... enough money to get delegates to the convention

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
55. Wow, Bernie just can't win with you guys.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jun 2016

First he doesn't raise money for fellow dems now he does and it's bad?

What gives?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
140. They are not running for a public office as a democrat
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jun 2016

The funds are being used for a self-serving purpose so that the Bernie people will actually show up as a futile exercise.

After the campaign takes its administrative cut, some dollars will trickle down .. hopefully!

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
57. I have never - ever - seen this kind
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jun 2016

of appeal before in a Dem Presidential race.

In some cases I know that local Dem party chapters have held fundraising activities to help offset travel costs for Dem delegates generally. But these activities have never been on behalf of a specific candidate's delegates only. They were intended to help ALL elected local Dem delegates.

And yes, delegates are generally responsible for their own costs otherwise. Still. local volunteers often open their homes to house delegates who might otherwise find hotels too expensive, and to provide meals and other amenities, etc.

This is what being a Dem means.

 

sangfroid

(212 posts)
87. I Have.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:38 PM
Jun 2016

I've been to more than one meeting where donations were requested for delegates who didn't have airfare, week hotel costs, eats, whatever. Not everyone is lucky to be covered by local volunteers (I slept on a church floor one year), so let's not assume your experience is the only experience.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
94. Your experience actually sounds
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jun 2016

a LOT like mine. Perhaps I didn't communicate as well as I should have.

What I was saying was specifically in response to having the losing candidate's campaign send out a fund-raising letter for ALL their delegates and their delegates alone.

That I have never seen.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
60. It's fine. Sending delegates to the convention is a political act, and it's fine
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:01 PM
Jun 2016

for Bernie to try to raise funds to defray their costs.

I really don't get the issue with it.

 

Shebear

(29 posts)
73. This Sanders-bashing is just mean spirited..
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jun 2016

... a lot of the delegates are young and of modest means... the Dem party should be welcoming them into the political process, not bad-mouthing them or their candidate.

 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
77. simple - it gets people involved in the democratic process, encourages all participation,
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jun 2016

accepts all voices. That is what being a democrat used to be about.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
135. Who?! His movement has moved to Clinton in higher numbers than moved to Obama at same time !
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:24 PM
Jun 2016

... Who's this movement?

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
103. The platform is still up for grabs
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:23 PM
Jun 2016

Let's make sure it is sufficiently 'Democratic' before we seal the book ...

Other than that ? ... *

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
84. I kicked in $50 earlier today.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jun 2016

I think that it is tacky that delegates have to pay $4000 to vote at the convention. What with all the expenses of hotel and transportation, and other stuff, and the amount of money that the Democratic Party has, they should have at least been able to get steep discounts for delegates.
I also understand that there was supposed to be a program where ANY delegate to the Dem convention could get a stipend, if they were of low income. According to one of my local delegates, this did not happen.
THIS is what is tacky and not at all classy.
Bernie taking it to his supporters is the only smart thing to do.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
149. How much money do you think "the Democratic Party has"?
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:53 AM
Jun 2016

And are you specifically talking about the DNC or all Democratic politicians combined?

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
160. They have enough money
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:24 AM
Jun 2016

That they are getting many corporations to sponsor the event. With the proper leadership, they could easily get more sponsorships to fund the delegates who cannot afford to go to the convention. They could also negotiate deep discounts with hotels, restaurants, and other places. I have done it with my little environmental group for a long time. They have their "professionals" whereas I am just a volunteer.
At any rate, the Democratic Party has many multi-millionaires, especially in the Senate who could EASILY fund a few delegates each!

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
89. If you want to be a delegate to the National Convention,
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jun 2016

surely you understand that there will be costs involved. And you should be prepared to come up with the money needed.

In 2004 I lost an election to be a delegate from my state, and immediately after the votes were counted, the person who won had the audacity to ask for contributions to help pay for her going to the convention. Needless to say, I was outraged, as I'd already planned ahead and knew that I could afford to go.

I guess she raised the money somehow, because I know she went.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
100. Hmmm. Audacity to ask for help?
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jun 2016

I guess somehow it's bad for poor people to expect to be able to witness or participate in party conventions, cuz that privilege follows money. Sort a sounds like a system needs to filter out all those folks who expect free-stuff.

If candidates can accept money from big donors not in their states or districts, I really don't understand people getting upset about delegates being given help from other voters willing to donate for that purpose.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
166. So, the convention is only for those with the financial means to pay their own way?
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:31 AM
Jun 2016

Fundraising to act as the representative they were elected to be, is not okay? So only people with money need apply.

Got it.

Response to trof (Original post)

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
91. $700K spent on a useless Rome trip could have been used here
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:44 PM
Jun 2016

$230 million went through the campaign. Wasn't there any money set aside for this eventuality? It's not like it was unforeseen.

George II

(67,782 posts)
120. Assuming about $2000 avg. per delegate, he could send almost 400 (>20%) of his delegates....
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jun 2016

....to the convention.

In fact, he could afford to send ALL of them to the convention with less than half of his remaining funds.

Response to cosmicone (Reply #91)

Response to trof (Original post)

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
99. Money to help people go party?
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jun 2016

I raised two kids, I have stopped paying for their party, not willing to fund another.

WhiteTara

(29,703 posts)
112. Does he think the other delegates are filthy rich?
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:59 PM
Jun 2016

Every delegate pays their own way. I can't say what I am thinking.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
113. I always thought that it was the responsibility of the
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:11 PM
Jun 2016

individual delegate to raise funds to go to the national convention.

George II

(67,782 posts)
126. I didn't ask to have my email address added to the mailing list, but they got it from "somewhere"...
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jun 2016

....in early December and I've been getting four or five solicitations from the Sanders campaign ever since.

Get your name deleted and you'll still continue to get them from DFA.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
119. Why should anyone care what you think, trof?
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jun 2016

I'm going to help a delegate out because I am not physically able to do much of anything anymore.

Response to ReRe (Reply #119)

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
159. Wait a minute...
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:23 AM
Jun 2016

... did you just make the latter part of that statement up out of whole cloth? BS is going to fly to Tibet with the Dalai Lama? Reputable links please, at least three.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
188. Sorry...
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jun 2016

... I sometimes can't tell when responses are sarcasm, with the changing format of politics on this site. Please be patient with this old soul.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
189. I retract my apology of above.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jun 2016

Lookit, what your OP does would be alright on a Hilary-only website, but this is NOT HillaryUnderground. This is DemocraticUnderground. You're damn right, I care. I care about the loss of Free Speech. About vileness of censorship. About what it means to be a Democrat. I care about the loss of civility, which I think your OP is not a very good example of. Your attitude is chilish and snide, and frankly, I can't believe you were ever a Bernie Sanders supporter.

Response to ReRe (Reply #189)

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
121. I've been thinking these practical thoughts about the whole "revolution" thingie....
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jun 2016

You have to make sure your credit cards are always paid down and current so you can afford all the plane trips and hotel rooms to go harass lawmakers in the name of The People.

Yet, he can't even get his delegates to the Convention, so how is the rest of the revolution going to afford constant trips.

tavernier

(12,377 posts)
122. Dear Bernie: Take off the suit and tie and go to the beach.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

You've worked hard... Time for a little vacation.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
124. Bernie has $9 million cash on hand
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jun 2016

Why doesn't he just pay for them? Also, why is he demanding a private jet in order to campaign for Clinton? Sounds like he might have gotten a little big for his britches.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
132. Wait, this guy raises more money than anyone else and now ask for more money for delegates? WTF?
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:21 PM
Jun 2016

... something isn't right

WolverineDG

(22,298 posts)
133. My local party held fundraisers to send delegates to the state convention
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary & Bernie delegates both.

No one complained then.

What's the problem now? (Other than you don't want Bernie delegates at the National Convention)

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
144. I'll donate.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jun 2016

Nobody should give a damn what Hillary supporters think about this, as they oppose anything Bernie does.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
164. It's the two-way street in DU's "new rules."
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:35 AM
Jun 2016

No Clinton bashing, no Sanders bashing, and yet we have an "I can't believe Sanders would do such a thing" post. Delightful...just delightful.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
151. "The primaries are over. Now let's all have our two minute hate against Bernie"
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:52 AM
Jun 2016

Good anti-Trump strategy there.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
153. With the outrageous costs associated with attending the convention, I see this
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:07 AM
Jun 2016

as a wholly appropriate thing to do- in stark contrast with some of the commenters. jmho

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
173. It's very low class to try to troll Sanders supporters at this point.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:58 PM
Jun 2016

It's also counterproductive.

Just fyi.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
180. i've not stopped my monthly contributions to Bernie
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jun 2016

He can put it to good use, either sending it to other candidates or helping out delegates who cannot afford to travel.

trof

(54,256 posts)
181. Jesus Christ, people!
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jun 2016

Now I hate Bernie and his supporters and I'm a troll?
Read the OP again.
The part about how I supported Bernie?
Read the part about how this old, retired geezer gave 70 bucks to the Sanders campaign out of his S/S benefit that he could ill afford.

I have no idea if Bernie even knows about the email I received, but it had his name on it.
in my 50+ years of observing and working in presidential campaigns I've never heard of a candidate soliciting funds from campaign contributors to send his delegates to the convention.

Let's dial it back a little, OK?
I've never alerted on a post in the 14 years I've been here and I don't want to start now.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
184. I see absolutely no problem with this.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie is upfront about it, says exactly what the donation is for, and nobody is obligated to donate.

Criminy, if Hillary did this, it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don't get the Bernie hate - I really don't.

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