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[UTUSN]

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[PJMcK]

1. Your passion is palpable

But please take a deep breath, UTUSN.

[UTUSN]

2. Am I wrong?!1 n/t

[giftedgirl77]

12. Yes

[The Second Stone]

13. Yes

Lynch is not personally conducting the investigation or personally recommending anything. Even if she were, she is the the trier of fact, she is a prosecutor. Although in this case a supervising one. Even if she were the prosecutor, prosecutors meet with witnesses, persons of interest, suspects and accused as part of their jobs.

The suggestion that only Democrats cannot meet with other government officials is simply ludicrous. Government officials meet with people. That is what they do. They meet with people that have business before them. This was a simple social chat.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

21. You said it in your post title. It's your opinion. Hard for opinions to be wrong.

Take some deep breathes though, man. It's obvious you are passionate about the topic, but sometimes the message gets lost in the passion. Other times people see passion and it inspires them to respond in kind. When everyone is ramped up and angry it's hard to have any sort of rational discussion.

Keep on being a free thinker though, man. Just, you know, it's going to be an uphill climb in an atmosphere like this. I'm glad you voiced your concern though.

[Igel]

46. Easy for opinions to be wrong.

Given wrong facts, misinterpreted facts, bad logic or a preponderance of emotion.

If there are 5 opinions on how much money the ACA will save (or cost), 4 or 5 of them are wrong. Probably all of them.

[msongs]

3. should obama resign too? he meets with hillary frequently and he is Lynch's boss. nt

[UTUSN]

4. Uh, no. I don't get the parallel. n/t

[comradebillyboy]

29. The Attorney General's boss has endorsed Hillary and

will be campaigning with her. In fact President Obama is also FBI Director James Comey's boss. Bill Clinton just met up with his old friend Loretta Lynch. He's not even in the chain of command. I would think Obama's very public endorsement of Hillary might influence Lynch more than a visit with Bill, who holds no public office. I think you are being deliberately obtuse about this.

[jehop61]

5. Why are yoy

letting the right wing rabble set your agenda? This is their way of deflecting our attention about the failure of the Gowdy hearings. Relax and stay focused.

[UTUSN]

9. Since I buck Group-think here or anywhere, do you really believe i let "right wing rabble set"

my "agenda"?!1

[chillfactor]

6. take a deep breathe and settle down.....

good grief...you seemed to be carried away on some fantasy of your own making.

[UTUSN]

8. I lived sentence #2 of the O.P. n/t

[Agschmid]

7. No.

[lapucelle]

10. You are wrong about the "verdict" part.

The FBI investigates and makes recommendations. It doesn't decide guilt or innocence. It reaches conclusions about whether it's reasonable to charge someone with a crime.

And it's not unusual for the AG to pass off a politically charged decision to career prosecutors.

[Thinkingabout]

11. If everyone in office resigned when they have a conversation there would not be anyone

To carry the heavy load. I feel sure Bill and Lynch have crossed paths before and will again. Dont jump to conclusions.

[procon]

14. Yes. You're 100% wrong. nt

[840high]

15. I have faith in Comey.

[Loki]

16. Uh, no.

Propaganda works, doesn't it?

[Hekate]

17. At every turn the GOP wants us to fire one of our own or force them to resign or jail them

...or impeach them. Every single time they got someone, they turned on someone else. Their goal is destruction; their appetite is insatiable.

Long ago my position became not just no, but HELL NO.

[tavernier]

18. In other news

Hillary blatantly stepped on and murdered an innocent family of ants as she recklessly walked through a parking lot this morning. Lead investigators estimate hearings could take months.

[Lunabell]

19. The people telling you to stay calm and relax don't get it.

And they are dismissive of what many people think is a significant development. Don't stay calm. Stay open minded and most of all, stay informed.

[jalan48]

20. Don't forget Bill's "bullhorn" moment during the campaign.

The current dust-up seems to be a continuation of his past behavior.

[HereSince1628]

33. It seems consistent with his previous behavior, yes, but

at what point do we wonder about how much -we- are part of the problem... how we enabled him to acquire his vision of his personal privilege?

The dem base, of which we are part, are primarily the ones that excused him, apologized for him, protected him from criticism (you can still get a post removed from DU for that) and helped sustain his self-view.

[Silver_Witch]

22. I can't tell you how much energy was spend defining President William Clinton

And then he lied on national TV (well unless you think blow jobs are not sex...then I suppose he told the truth - sort of). We were all made fools by defending him when he was clearly not being a good man. Yes that is right men that cheat on their wives by putting their dicks in other women's mouths are NOT good men.

However, his bad behavior has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton whatsoever. Other than her poor judgment IMO of staying with a man such as he.

And I think President William Clinton has shown his attitude on more than one occasion and I believe truly that he was never worthy of my vote. And frankly it is the one vote of which I most strongly regret.

[GaYellowDawg]

26. I can understand how you feel.

But I don't regret either vote for Bill Clinton for an instant because of who the alternatives were.

[marybourg]

23. She is not a General.

She is the Attorney General (like general attorney).

[HereSince1628]

34. Although there is this about how to address an Atty General

http://www.formsofaddress.info/attorney_general.html

... on the National Association of Attorneys General website they use General (Surname) in the bios of some of their member attorneys general.
Still not quite believing it I spoke to Chris Young, Chief of Protocol, State of Georgia and an attorney. He says attorneys general and solicitors general are addressed and referred to as General (Surname) in courtroom settings. He says in federal and state supreme and appellate court proceedings you will see references to attorney generals as General (Surname).
A law librarian at the Library of Congress did some research on this at my request and confirms in oral arguments, court documents record the Attorney General and Solicitor General as "Gen. (full name), Esq."

[PJMcK]

45. That's helpful information

Thanks for posting this, HereSince1628. Proper titles do mean something and I appreciate your clarifying this. Please seems response in another thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027973316#post43

Enjoy your weekend!

[videohead5]

24. E-Mails Exposed Before

Most of the e-mails sent to Hillary was sent over state.gov a unclassified system that had been hacked.those e-mails would had already been exposed before they ever got to Hillary.no proof her server was ever hacked.

[GaYellowDawg]

25. You forget: if Lynch resigned...

... Republicans would refuse to vote for a confirmation.

[Exilednight]

40. Yes they would. She would just do the same thing Holder did.

She puts out a statement stating she will resign as soon as soon as the Senate approves the President's nomination.

[PdxSean]

27. Bah humbug!

With my amazing powers of hindsight, the the only thing I wish Lynch had done differently was to stand her ground after the story broke.

The Tepublicans attacking her are the same people who thought it was no big deal when Justice Scalia went hunting with Cheney when Scalia was soon to hear a case directly involving Cheney.

Lynch should have simply said nothing is changing as she backed away from the mic.

If democrats weren't such weenies they wouldn't constantly stay on the ropes apologizing for being on the ropes.

[Tal Vez]

28. If they had reached any kind of deal, it would have been done through intermediaries.

If there is no indictment, the folks who wanted one will complain because it's to their political advantage to complain. They would have complained with or without a conversation between Clinton and Lynch.

People have to accept that no matter what happens, the GOP will be claiming that the Clintons are crooks. Do not imagine that there is any way to avoid those claims.

[The Straight Story]

30. It's all just bullshit. Why is it news when two people who know one another talk?

I don't get it.

The America I grew up in people were free to associate with others and talk about anything when they met.

The ONLY reason this is news is because some people hate the Clintons (no huge myself) and want something to bitch and moan about.

Bill was president. Hillary SOS and member of congress and first lady. So now they should just pretend they don't know people and avoid talking to them?

It all reminds me of how the right complained about Hillary making money speaking. The right. The people who claim that any money you make within the law is great and wonderful.

Some people just like to find reasons to complain.

[HereSince1628]

37. The highest profile ex-President and the US Atty General are just people??

not likely principles in the matter of Clinton Foundation donor special treatment by State Dept at the very time that a judge is expanding email release to include those of HRC's scheduler ostensibly to address issue of off-the-books meetings between herself and CF donors.

I do believe you when you say you don't get it.

[PJMcK]

39. You got it right, Straight Story

You wrote, "Some people just like to find reasons to complain."

It's too true and often seems to be regardless of party affiliation.

[bigwillq]

31. K and R

[doc03]

32. I don't agree on Lynch but Hillary needs to put a muzzle on Bill and lock him in the

basement.

[PJMcK]

41. Wow!

Here's a thought experiment: Let's go back to the 1990's when Bill Clinton was president and Mrs. Clinton was trying to change the health care system in the US. We know that her efforts were thwarted by Republicans and she was vehemently criticized by both the Right and the Left.

Now, let's take your statement and reverse it:

"... but Bill needs to put a muzzle on Hillary and lock her in the basement."

How does that look?

[doc03]

50. I don't see any comparison, that was the responsibility Bill gave her

probably knowing she would get trashed by both sides. It seems every time Bill opens his mouth
he causes her more problems than good. I think she would be better off if he disappeared until the
election is over. Voters don't have to be reminded about his 3rd way politics (NAFTA and cutting SS) and
his sex scandals.

[BlueMTexpat]

35. "Emailgate" is the companion piece

to "Benghazigate" and has as little legal merit as "Benghazigate" ever did. Both are RW scandals that too many here on DU have carried water for.

Just as "Benghazigate" finally bites the dust, a chance meeting between two people who know each other becomes "Tarmacgate" and has as little legal merit as ALL the others. Don't you see the pattern here yet?

[baldguy]

36. The anatomy of a Clinton "scandal":

Take a particular innocuous incident, try to insinuate that various illegal things happened with no proof, then claim the Clintons did something improper. Extra points for anything that helps Republicans grandstand.

Whitewater was the prototype. They never work out the way the anti-Clinton folks hope they do.

[yardwork]

38. She's not a general.

I read your whole OP to see if it was a typo, and it's not. You repeat "General Lynch" throughout the post.

[PJMcK]

43. Actually, that's the proper title

Thanks to HereSince1628's post on another thread:

http://www.formsofaddress.info/attorney_general.html

... on the National Association of Attorneys General website they use General (Surname) in the bios of some of their member attorneys general.
Still not quite believing it I spoke to Chris Young, Chief of Protocol, State of Georgia and an attorney. He says attorneys general and solicitors general are addressed and referred to as General (Surname) in courtroom settings. He says in federal and state supreme and appellate court proceedings you will see references to attorney generals as General (Surname).
A law librarian at the Library of Congress did some research on this at my request and confirms in oral arguments, court documents record the Attorney General and Solicitor General as "Gen. (full name), Esq."

[yardwork]

47. Got it. Thanks.

[UTUSN]

55. Gracious of you to appreciate the correction. Would be nice of you to

exculpate yourself with me since I was the one you doubted.

[sufrommich]

42. Please,if we tremble at every media and republican

generated "scandal" we might as well crawl in a hole and let them proceed with killing this country. Don't fall for this shit.

[hollowdweller]

44. I don't think Lynch had much of a choice really.

From what I've read Clinton hung around to meet her even though her staff was waiting for his plane to leave.

President Clinton comes up to your plane to say hi and you are going to snub him?? The Clintons are powerful and have connections, besides just snubbing him being impolite, they could potentially deny you a job in the new administration as retribution.

Bill Clinton probably just wanted to say hi. He loves people and I'm doubting he realized the potential implications. On the other hand I'm guessing Lynch and her staff did, but where caught between a rock and a hard place.

[yardwork]

48. That's exactly what I think happened.

Bill is somewhat out of control. It's a problem.

I feel for Lynch in this situation.

[Coyotl]

49. Get real. n/t

[CentralMass]

51. The optic are very bad. They both should have known better.

[UTUSN]

52. Tyvm

[Marr]

53. +1, at the very least, it was mindnumbingly stupid.

This issue will never really go away now, no matter what the outcome of the investigation is. Hillary is already very distrusted, and things like this only play into that narrative and reinforce it.

[JoePhilly]

54. OP appears to be missing this ...

[UTUSN]

56. Je ne regrette rien. Plus better things to do today. Self-locking & here's the whole O.P. below

I’ve had my say, recant nothing of it, and think the topic is exhausted on all sides. I deeply appreciate those who tolerated my opinion. I hardly expect to receive only agreeing responses, and some of the personal put-downs were only mildly flaming comparing to some flame fests of the past, but they reminded me of what a pain in the gut they can be. There were some accusing me of being a weak willy for “right wing rabble rousing” and for “propaganda,” not to mention “a complainer,” to which I say, sarcastically (if I need to spell it out), thanks *so* much for the condescending, patronizing, paternalistic, colonialistic slurs.

So, since self-locking wipes out the O.P., said wiping not being my running away from my (still) opinion, here below is the O.P. in its entirety:

********* (My: ) Original Post *********

My opinion: General LYNCH should resign & Ex-POTUS Bill should stay out of the campaign.

The lapse in judgment is stupid-endous.

Look, during most of the '90s I, along with many of us Dems, threw away most of our energy *DEFENDING BILL* instead of being able to WORK ON OUR DEM AGENDA.

Charismatic leaders are great when they serve the AGENDA. Otherwise, they're all about them.

So if General LYNCH now will accept *whatever* the recommendations are, what does that make her, a *POTTED PLANT*?!1

So whatever COMEY (his history) says is the verdict?!1

******* END OF O.P. ********