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[AntiBank]

1. hell yes

[Ghost Dog]

56. Well, this entire thread contravenes the rules,

as does this comment.

DU Terms of Service
Don't interfere with forum moderation
Don't post messages about site rules, enforcement, juries, hosts, administration, alerts, alerters, removed posts, appeals, locked threads, or anything else related to how this website is moderated (except in the Ask the Administrators forum).

Why we have this rule: The purpose of Democratic Underground is to discuss politics, issues, and current events. Open discussion of how the website is run tends to distract from our core purpose.

[AntiBank]

59. was referring to this (not jury)

"Couldn't there be another forum marked as "Kick the shit out of each other and leave the rest of us alone"?"

sorry for the confusion

[PJMcK]

2. The primaries are over, aren't they?

And now we have verifiable reports that Secretary Clinton isn't going to be indicted for the email server story. Here's the DU link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512232626

Can we PLEASE move on to making certain that Democrats win every election?!

Thank you for listening to my rant. And thank you to the tough as nails guys and gals who stood up for us 240 years ago.

[madokie]

3. I quit doing the jury thing here a while back

it had totally gotten out of hand and was getting to be a pain in the ass, to put it lightly

I'm a Democratic Party member and I'm voting for the Democratic Party Nominee. I'd much prefer Sanders but if thats not to be I'll be for Hillary just as strongly as I was for Bernie

I'll write the name of my late border collie friend before I'll vote for a republiCON, SIMPLE AS THAT.

[PJMcK]

9. I'll stand with you any day of the week, madokie

Vote a straight Democratic ticket! Let's get rid of those un-American Republicans once and for all.

But please reconsider your point of view regarding serving on DU juries. The new system is better. Your thoughtfulness and sincerity help keep DU an honest and transparent website.

[passiveporcupine]

14. Oh noes, did you recently lose a border collie?

they are magnificent dogs. I am so sorry. So so sorry.

[madokie]

17. Thank you

See made it for 18 years but we lost her last year to old age. Her picture used to be in the collection of pictures here In DU. Not sure if it still is, I don't even know how to look for it anymore. If it is she's the one setting up being proud and Pretty, gray, black and white. Awesome friend

[passiveporcupine]

18. My neighbors have a very old border collie named Jack

I love him and will be really torn up when he's gone. They got an aussie pup a couple of years ago, and I think it's helped him stay youthful longer, but each time I see him,I can see he's slowing down a lot.

They are just so smart and personable. I've had two dogs similar in personality to Border collies (still have one), and they are really just amazing dogs. My favorite commercial is of a woman driving a convertible, and her border collie is sitting in the passenger seat...she says something to him and he turns and looks at her while she's looking at him, and it's just like she's talking to a human. I love that commercial, because that's they way they are. Like a human.

I"m glad you had such a long time with your beloved dog.

[Person 2713]

4. Every time I was coming on here and sometimes more than once while checking LBN etc

I has the primaries on ignore since the beginning . I have started to decline jury anticipating mere tit for tat and may get to the tab that says
don't ask me again .
I would like to stop bullies or bigots that slip in by participating on the juries but it is usually silly stuff from both sides. Like being friends with a couple that constantly breakup and fight.....I don't want to hear it from either one!
Seems both sides have some obsessive meanies ...like the kids that used to fight it out in the school yard, they were always looking to start something

[Javaman]

5. I stopped serving on juries until the food fight is finally over. nt

[ornotna]

7. Yep

After I found out about it I opted out as well. It's not like I was getting picked anyway.

[klook]

12. I am a Bernie supporter

and I've been on many juries over the past few months. I have always tried to vote fairly with the DU terms of service in mind.

FWIW, I've always known I'd vote for the Dem presidential nominee even if it's a can of pork & beans. And I've tried to avoid getting into the petty bickering that's poisoned DU this primary season.

[Rhiannon12866]

13. Same with me.

I'm on more juries than ever these days.

[dlwickham]

19. me too

I probably do at least one a day if not more

[cstanleytech]

44. Huh?

[Ilsa]

8. I'm still on jury duty and I'm voting

that posts are a violation any time it feels like a poster is trying to rehash old fights or feed RW talking points on our likely nominee. I'm sick of this shit, so I lean toward being harsh.

I supported SBS in the primary.

[passiveporcupine]

16. So, are you just as harsh about ugly stuff against Bernie?

Cause I'm still seeing a lot of it.


this whole jury system just doesn't make sense to me (which is why I won't participate in it). Everyone who is on the jury is biased. It's not like you can pick a jury of people who have never heard of Bernie or Hillary and already have an opinion of them.

[Ilsa]

47. Yes, I am. I don't get picked for

every jury, but I'm tired of the crap, tired of nitpicking on both Sec. Clinton and SBS. We can't emerge as a unified party if that is going on, and if we don't, trump wins.

[pampango]

48. I certainly vote 'guilty' regardless of whether a poster is blasting Hillary or Bernie.

I don't know if it's doing any good because we don't see the jury results, but we can't move on unless we move together.

[MFM008]

57. Me 2

[woolldog]

10. I've refused to do jury duty now that I can't see the results.

Seems pointless now.

[KMOD]

24. The results, usually created more drama.

Why do you need to see them?

If it's wrong, it's wrong. If it's not, it's not.

It seems so simple to me. I just don't get the complaints.

[woolldog]

31. I want to see if my fellow jury members agree with me,

and if not how many don't and what the final result is. That gives a sense of resolution to the process, closure. Without that I have no interest in serving and have asked to be permanently excused from service. It's just not interesting to me without that.

[KMOD]

33. That is what's wrong.

Why do you need to depend on group think?

Mob rule is never a good thing. Vote with your conscience or don't vote at all.

[woolldog]

34. Where did I say I didn't vote my conscience?

I didn't. Nor did it say that I voted the way I think the group will vote.

What I did say was that I want to know what the resolution is. And there's nothing wrong with that. The way the system is currently set up is like watching a movie and then walking out of the theatre before finding out how it ends. Ok for some I guess, but not an appealing prospect to me.

[KMOD]

36. You said you wanted to see if others agree with you.

That's group think, and that's an awful thing.

The resolution will become clear as time goes on. Although sadly, it shouldn't be something you would need clarity on. The goal here, is to keep Republicans out of office. It's not that hard to grasp.

[woolldog]

39. Being curious as to others opinions is not group think.

I enjoy hearing others opinions and the logic they use to arrive at them. Doesn't mean I agree with those opinions and it certainly doesn't mean I conform my opinions to what I think the majority will or will not do.

[merrily]

53. +1 The system is supposed to be evolving a community standard, not a seven random people at a time

standard. If every case is decided in isolation, no community standard emerges.

[babylonsister]

11. I am still confused about opinions. Are they forbidden? nt

[KMOD]

25. Of course not.

Unless your opinions align with right-wingers, and your opinions obviously don't.

[babylonsister]

35. I am talking about other's opinions

expressed on alerts. I have a difficult time counteracting someone's opinion.

[KMOD]

38. I believe opinions are fine.

When in doubt, leave them.

But if they are contradicting the goal of defeating Republicans, it should be a no brainer.

[Retrograde]

15. I'm getting about twice as many notices to serve as I did during the primaries

and that was 2-3 a day!

I think the new system makes it too easy to alert: I'd like a compromise process wherein the alerter has to explain why the post fits into the category for the alert. Otherwise, it seems that alerters just pick a category and go with it.

[dlwickham]

20. I alerted on one post

it was pornographic and there's not an option for such a post

I can't remember what I said but the post was pretty graphic and I can't imagine it being left up

[Spitfire of ATJ]

22. You can't post something like that without a link.

[elmac]

21. I never get asked so

not a problem

[KMOD]

23. Is it really that hard for people to be civil to one another?

Is it really that hard to not trash Democrats with right wing talking points?

There are so many complaints, but I don't think the Admins are asking too much.

[Hoppy]

26. My complaint is that now you also have to try to figure out what was in the head of the alerter.

[Hekate]

27. From 2002 until this year I opted out, but finally started jurying just a few months ago

I actually find it satisfying to be part of the effort to make DU a more livable place, after almost giving up.

Some of the stuff that's popped up recently is weird, though. It's almost as if some people are compelled to find a way to express their angst, and if one path closes off they find another.

[Hekate]

28. Isn't that "other forum" called Discussionist?

Biff! Bam! Pow!

[madinmaryland]

29. I have been on more that a dozen juries and have yet to hide anything. I can't tell what the FUCK

I am even trying to adjudicate. It's a fucking mess. Unless someone uses a racist, bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic or any other hate word against someone, there isn't much I am going to do to hide something. I just have no fucking clue as to what I am trying to decide, based on the limited information I am getting.

[babylonsister]

37. Agreed! Opinions should be allowed,

even if you/we don't agree with it.

[madinmaryland]

40. The biggest issue I have is that it is really hard to determine the context of the post being

alerted on. Rather than being a jerk, I just err on the side of caution, and just end up leaving the post.

[babylonsister]

41. Until I know better, I let opinions pass.

I have my own that are valid (imo) ; so are these, even if I don't agree.

[SMC22307]

42. Agreed. I want the alerter to state their case...

and for context to be available. And I miss the "closure" of knowing the fate of the alerted post. No offense to the Admins, but this new system blows. But I understand they were fed up, and wanted to "fix" the problems. One obvious way to "fix" the problems would have been to ban those with multiple hides and time-outs. Amnesty is a joke... why reward bad behavior?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

58. If the opinions violate the tos then you shouldn't allow them

If you aren't willing to enforce a rule, it's shady to agree to it

[KMOD]

30. stolen from the lounge

cuz you all need to chill.

[youtube]

[/youtube]

Great chill music, right? This guy is phenomenal.

Rec him up here... http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018879009

[L. Coyote]

32. We are in that strategic phase, where we don't want to give away our plans

but watch what comes next. The Republicans can't even begin to imagine how they are about to get slammed by our great team. Quit arguing everyone, watch Hillary and Bernie and learn from the champs.

[Maru Kitteh]

43. I'm sorry for your trouble, but both sides need the objectivity

of those who either have no dog in the fight, or at least keep their passions in check when it comes to judging.

I hope you will at least occasionally consider consenting to serve.

[cstanleytech]

45. If you feel its to burdensome for you then just opt out of the jury system entirely rather than

complain about it, besides serving isnt required its entirely voluntary.

[tavernier]

51. It's not burdensome if there is a valid complaint

against a violation of DU rules.

It's the continued pissing contests between the more rabid supporters of the two candidates that is driving everyone nuts. Read the above posts if you don't believe me.

[Liberal_in_LA]

46. Everytime I log in, there is a jury request for me. Too much

[cwydro]

49. I get called for juries a lot.

I found the new system weird at first, but I've gotten used to it.

I'm happy to serve because I really appreciate the trouble the admins have taken to try and make du a better place.

[Demit]

52. I agree with you.

I think the admins are trying to get people to be smarter in how they disagree. The trash talking, backbiting stuff just ends up wasting all of our time.

[malaise]

50. I've been turning them down

I turned down the Primaries board and now refuse to do those that want no criticism of the Candidate or her husband.

[Vinca]

55. I refuse to be on any jury. We shouldn't be such tender flowers.

If you don't like something, respond to it on the post. Pulling posts left and right gives the appearance of censorship.