Austria: Rapist claims rape of boy was a 'medical emergency' because he hadn't had sex in 4 months.

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....a 10-year-old was raped in an Austrian swimming pool by an Iraqi migrant. The asylum seeker, who had not had sex for four months, said it was a medical emergency when he raped the boy in a swimming pool changing room. The 20-year-old, who had been taken to the Austrian swimming pool Theresienbad, pictured, to be taught how to integrate into his now community, was found guilty of serious sexual assault and rape of a minor and was sentenced to six years in jail.

The man, who had fled to Austria through the Balkan refugee route in September last year, hung his head in shame before he was sentenced for the horrific crime which left his victim suffering post-traumatic stress. The migrant had been taken to the pool in December 2015 with a 15-year-old helper and translator who was helping him to integrate into life in the Austrian capital Vienna. But while there, the 20-year-old man dragged a boy, 10, into the change rooms and attacked him. The boy, known only as Goran, was also the son of an immigrant family from the Balkans who grew up in Austria with his Serbian mother.

The horrific attack was so violent that the young boy needed to be treated at the Children's Hospital, and is now plagued by massive post-traumatic stress disorder. Goran went to a lifeguard in tears after the attack but the Iraqi involved in the attack was so brazen that he had not even left the swimming pool. Instead, he was jumping off a three-metre diving board when police arrived to arrest him. He told police the attack was a sexual emergency as he had not had sex for four months after leaving his wife behind and coming to Austria as an asylum seeker in September 2015.

Court Psychiatrist Gabriele Woergotter confirmed the 10-year-old victim now suffers frequent panic attacks. The courts awarded the victim 4,730 EUR (3,750 GBP) compensation. The man faced up to 15-years in prison under Austrian law - but was given a lower sentence apparently due to his young age, and previous good behaviour. The court also took into account the man's 'adverse living conditions' when deciding on the sentence. Refugee officials have pleaded for calm after the publication of the Duesseldorf memo and have stressed they are making more efforts to educate young immigrant men about the rights of women and children in Germany.

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[yeoman6987]

1. Horrid! Something better be done BEFORE they go to a country

that this isn't tolerated. Communities have been welcoming but for how long?

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5. I don't see how this situation can last. European countries are going to push back.

[ciaobaby]

52. And we need to do something about who we send to other countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/20/outrage-in-japan-as-american-arrested-in-connection-with-death-of-woman-on-okinawa/

[yeoman6987]

55. Not what we're talking about

At least he will be jailed appropriately. No sob story for a short setence.

[ciaobaby]

57. Not so, there are plenty short sentences doled out for rape right here.

and heaven forbid you are raped at college. Absolutely nothing will happen to the rapist.
I bring it up because we need to have an open mind and not jump to pointing at Islam. We are guilty here in America with letting rapists (at least white christian rapists) get off easy.
Perhaps it is because Christians are just as guilty as Muslims when it comes to rape in our society.
Perhaps those, on this site, who view Muslims and immigrants as different or evil, watch a bit too much Fox News.

[yeoman6987]

67. This dude in the story is a disgrace and I won't stick up for him

Or give excuses as you are. He needed more time.

[yardwork]

59. I think that six years is shamefully short.

He deserves life in prison for this crime, I think.

[Brickbat]

2. Toxic masculinity manifests in every culture.

[Separation]

7. Keep telling yourself that over and over

All the while plugging your ears, lalalala it has nothing to do with Islam. lalalalal

[Brickbat]

12. Oh, religions intersect in all sorts of ways with toxic masculinity.

[ismnotwasm]

14. Are Christian rapists different somehow?

Hindu rapists? Buddhist rapists? Atheist rapists? Or are you saying that Islamic men are rapists because religion? If so, do you feel this is most Islamic men, some or a few?

I can tell you most Islamic men are not rapists, but like the majority of men everywhere, do participate in rape culture. Is Islamic rape culture different than Western rape culture?

The two things rapists have in common are; 1) they rape 2) they are, with a few exceptions, male.

[Separation]

20. I guarantee one thing

It is in their culture! I have seen it first hand in Afghanistan. Keep telling yourself that. Sure, you may know Muslims here in the US, but I'd bet my next paycheck you don't ha e any idea what it's like in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, or Africa.

When you see it with your own eyes it's a bit different than saying, "well, well, Buddhists do it Hindus do it". It IS in their culture. Maybe not here in the states, but the places I've been and seen first hand, nobody bats an eye.

[Lee-Lee]

21. You are so right- I've seen it too

We hired local truck drivers to haul loads for us between bases all the time. I always noted that the drivers usually had a boy with them and one day remarked how it was interesting to see them teaching their sons the trade.

My interpretor then informed me those were not their sons, but boys they "rented" to work for them on the road and then use for sex in the evenings. And he remarked it so matter of factly as if it was no big deal I don't know if I was more disgusted by what was happening or by how routine and normal it was seen by everyone there- and for that country a man like our interpretor who worked with Americans and didn't have a problem working with me as a female was about as "progressive" as people there got.

[pnwmom]

24. Right. They use available boys as substitutes for the women they're not allowed

to have sex with.

[ciaobaby]

49. Again, so similar to the Catholic Church.

Priests using alter boys as substitutes for the women they are not allowed to have sex with.

[scarletwoman]

68. No, it is NOT similar to the Catholic Church. Priests are not the whole of the Catholic Church.

There is NO Catholic cultural equivalent to the Islamic cultural treatment of women, and the resulting sexual repression that effects the males in that culture.

While there is still plenty of misogyny in the Catholic Church at large, no Catholic woman is subjected to enforced head coverings or full-body coverings, no Catholic woman is forbidden from appearing in public in the company of males who are not relatives, no Catholic woman is in danger of being stoned for being raped, no Catholic woman is forced to marry someone not of her choosing or is in danger of being the victim of an "honor killing" by refusing to do so.

The fact is, the Islamic culture of the Middle East, Afghanistan and Pakistan is stuck in a medieval mindset that is uniquely and unequivocally fucked up when it comes to sexuality.

[ciaobaby]

70. Here is some reading for you.

http://www.whyislam.org/on-faith/status-of-women/

[ciaobaby]

44. Is rape also in the culture of the Catholic Church ?

They allow rape and then protect the rapist.

[Separation]

48. And yet you dont have any issue pointing that out

While others still claim its not part of the Muslim culture.

[ciaobaby]

50. I point it out because some seem to have blinders on when it comes to Muslims.

[dhol82]

69. I have heard first hand reports of this activity in Saudi Arabia

Friend of my daughter's, who married a Saudi, wanted to desperately get out because her older son was having a problem protecting the younger son from the non-consensual homosexual activity with a six year old.
It was evidently common. And, accepted as usual practice.
Guess, as long as it was not with a woman, everything's good.

[ciaobaby]

58. So you must have your fingers firmly planted in your ears in regard to the

Catholic priests who rape children, are protected, and allowed to continue to serve in the Church.
What's worse, Islam or Catholicism?

[EL34x4]

10. Yes, nothing screams "masculine" more

than sodomizing little boys.

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11. What's "masculine" about raping children?

[smirkymonkey]

3. Young age, previous good behavior and "adverse living conditions"?

Since when does that factor into the crime of raping a young child? Disgusting!

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4. I was struck by that myself. The judge reduced the sentence by almost 2/3rds.

[smirkymonkey]

18. I can't believe he is getting away with that excuse.

Meanwhile, this young boy is traumatized for life while his perpetrator gets a virtual slap on the wrist. It's obscene.

[IgelJames4]

6. What a sicko

Hopefully this idiot will be off the streets for a long time. People like him have no place in a civilized society.

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8. The judge could have sentenced him to 15 years in prison, but reduced it to only six years.

He's had such a hard life prior to raping a ten year old child, after all.

[DustyJoe]

9. no quarter

These rapist scum show no quarter no matter the age or sex so the only fitting punishment is a total eunochectomy. In just years this pervert will be at it again unless someone offs him in prison.

[FixTheProblem]

15. But he's an "Iraqi migrant!"

Careful, don't want to be Islamophobic!

[LeftishBrit]

17. Nothing to do with Islamophobia; Islam condemns such actions thoroughly

People of all backgrounds can be scumbags. He's a scumbag.

[pnwmom]

25. Actually Islam as practiced in some countries doesn't condemn sex with boys as much

as it does sex with girls and women, unless the female is a wife.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/25/middle-east-child-abuse-pederasty

The hypocrisy of child abuse in many Muslim countries

By Shaista Gohir

I recently saw the documentary on the Dancing Boys of Afghanistan. It exposed an ancient custom called "bacha bazi" (boy for play), where rich men buy boys as young as 11 from impoverished families for sexual slavery. The boys are dressed in women's clothes and made to dance and sing at parties, before being carted away by the men for sex. Owning boys is considered a symbol of status and one former warlord boasted of having up to 3,000 boys over a 20-year period, even though he was married, with two sons. The involvement of the police and inaction of the government means this form of child prostitution is widespread.

The moral hypocrisy is outrageous in a country where homosexuality is not only strictly forbidden but savagely punished, even between two consenting adults. However, men who sodomise young boys are not considered homosexuals or paedophiles. The love of young boys is not a phenomenon restricted to Afghanistan; homosexual pederasty is common in neighbouring Pakistan, too. In my view, repression of sexuality and extreme gender apartheid is to blame.

[PatrickforO]

31. You're right there. It infuriates me, this making of excuses for men

who have not been taught basic self control.

And think about the mentality of this man, and by extension many others in the Muslim world, that he would be so egocentric that he'd feel that not having sex for four months would entitle him to rape a young boy. What the hell?

If these Imams would teach these men some basic self control instead of making women second class citizens, the world would be lots better off.

And why in the hell did the judge not throw him in prison for the maximum sentence??? I'm sorry, but that crime is so egregious that nothing can really excuse it, let alone a 'sexual emergency,' because the guy basically is horny.

What a bunch of crap.

[pnwmom]

33. Or the Imams could simply teach

that self-pleasure is better than rape.

[PatrickforO]

35. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Masturbation will drive you BLIND!!! Don't you know that?

LOL

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36. Some sects of Islam teach that it's forbidden to change your own oil, I'm afraid.

[ciaobaby]

42. Sure, like the Catholic Church teaches priests self control.

[pnwmom]

46. The Catholic Church teaches that there are greater and lesser sins

and masturbation and rape are not on the same level.

[ciaobaby]

51. The Catholic church is just as guilty, as you infer the Muslims are, in fostering a rape culture.

[pnwmom]

60. Pope Francis has expressed remorse and has asked for forgiveness.

He has also made changes on the Institutional level to require these cases to be treated criminally.

What certain members of the hierarchy and certain priests did was terrible, but it appears to me that the Church is recognizing this and trying to change.

And they would not say that it is just as bad to masturbate as to rape. Or as bad to have consensual unmarried sex as to rape.

[ciaobaby]

62. I do admire Pope Francis, however, looks like it is business as usual in the Church......

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/24/the-vatican-just-put-a-convicted-rapist-back-in-a-parish.html

[pnwmom]

63. That certainly looks bad and I want to look into it. But the writer is a proven liar,

so I'm not going to take anything she says on faith.

On edit: it looks like we also failed this girl. Her abuser was only sentenced to a year in jail.

http://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/tamil-nadu-diocese-weighs-lawsuit-filed-in-minnesota-over-indian/article_d9401d7c-081b-11e6-9186-a7a4cba0bf64.html

[ciaobaby]

64. Fair enough - just "google" the name "Father Joseph Jeyapaul"

[pnwmom]

65. I'm glad she is fighting this. I'm afraid that what might have happened

is that because the courts here treated it like a minor crime -- allowing him accept a reduced charge with only a year in jail -- that that is how the Vatican treated it, too.

None of the men involved, either in our justice system, or in the Catholic Church, treated the crime seriously.

[LeftishBrit]

71. That's a cultural/ national-law issue, not a religious one

Can we all agree that:

(1) Rape and child molesting are utterly evil, and deserve severe punishment

(2) Religion, culture or immigration/refugee status is no excuse or extenuating circumstance for such crimes.

(3) BUT we should not use a particular person's crimes as an excuse for hostility to all immigrants/refugees/Muslims/Christians/any group except perhaps just the human race!

[pnwmom]

72. Agreed. n/t

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19. Those who rape children tend to be treated rather harshly in prison.

In just years this pervert will be at it again unless someone offs him in prison.

I certainly wouldn't shed a tear were that to happen.

[Initech]

16. Hey fundies - this is what an actual sex criminal looks like!

[Warren DeMontague]

22. "to be taught how to integrate into his now community"

doesn't sound like it worked out very well in this case.

[pnwmom]

23. The judge should have given him the maximum sentence. He deserved it. n/t

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26. But he had experienced "adverse living conditions" and had shown "good behavior"!

That, and only being twenty years old, is apparently enough to get a 60% reduction of your sentence in Austria after you rape a little kid.

I also wonder how much of the six year sentence he'll actually be required to serve. Half? Less?

[Warren DeMontague]

29. You're not supposed to acknowledge the role of Islamic Fundamentalism and Culture Clash

It's not part of the approved narrative.

[PatrickforO]

32. It's part of MY approved narrative.

When you go to a different country you are expected to obey its laws. Sure, you might commit a faux pas because of cultural differences, but raping a young boy because you happen to be horny? Nothing can excuse that, not even the weak platitude, "Oh, it's a cultural thing!" That is simply bullshit.

[ciaobaby]

38. This has nothing to do with immigrants.

Rape is found in all cultures, in all countries.

[PatrickforO]

43. Acknowledged. My comment was on the guy's pathetic excuse, and the judge's

equally pathetic sentencing.

[ciaobaby]

45. Agreed.

[Warren DeMontague]

61. I'm not excusing it, not by a mile.

I'm calling out the blinders of people trying to deny there is a real ongoing issue here.

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30. Cultural imperialism!

(kidding....)

[PatrickforO]

34. I know. We libs seem confused about how we feel sometimes.

In my city (central United States), there's rather a large group of people from a southeast Asian nation who have immigrated.

Well, they had this 'tradition' in their culture - a group of young men would go and kidnap a female teen and rape her. I'm not real clear on it, but apparently it had something to do with courtship. At least that's what the young men told the cops when they came knocking on the door.

The cops tried to nod, and say, "Oh, we understand. It's cultural."

The thing that kept them from doing that is intense pressure from the women in that cultural group. You know what they said? They said that they came to the US to get away from that aspect of their 'culture,' and as a group put intense pressure on the cops to take care of the problem. Result? Problem solved. This group are obeying the laws of their new land, NOT some cultural law that may or may not have existed in their country of origin.

[ciaobaby]

39. Same could be said of the priests in the Catholic Church.

[PatrickforO]

40. No argument here.

[ciaobaby]

37. This post and following comments is the most depressing I have seen on this site.

Child rape is spread equally among countries and religions.
Wonder if those condemning Islam are equally condemning of the Catholic Church.
This is all so similar to labeling black criminals as "thugs" but whites who commit similar crimes are mentally ill, or heaven forbid, raised by single mothers. Always an excuse for white criminals.
Why is it so called liberal minded democrats are blinded when it comes to crimes and who commits them.
I am disgusted.
The man who raped the child is a criminal and should be treated as such. It is not necessary to condemn his faith or his country.
Do you think we don't have christian child rapists right here in the good old USA?

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41. Oh, please. Find me a post or story about a white Christian raping a little boy, excusing it

because it's been months since he's been laid, and the judge reducing the sentence by 60% because he had a tough upbringing. It doesn't have to match all the details, just something along those lines.

I'll be the first to condemn it.

Come to think of it, remember the recent story about the judge who gave a slap on the wrist to the college rapist? Post after post on this site condemning the rapist and the judge.

Your outrage over our outrage at this story is absurd.

[ciaobaby]

47. Oh yes, but the outrage was at the judge and the criminal who committed the rape.

This is the difference. The religion of the rapist was not even mentioned in the story you reference. The string of posts here went to great lengths to tie in the rapists culture, religion, and the fact that he is an immigrant. We have plenty rapists in America that are committed by Christian americans.
Lay the blame where is belongs, not on ones religion, or country of origin.

[femmedem]

53. Thank you. The Islamophobia in this thread is shocking. n/t

[ciaobaby]

54. Sigh of Relief.

I thought I was losing my mind here. - Who are these people? It all sounds very FOX News to me.

[backscatter712]

56. Not an exact match, but such stories are not hard to find...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8779366/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/report-toledo-police-helped-conceal-sex-abuse/

Report: Toledo police helped conceal sex abuse
Officers say ex-chief’s unwritten rule was not to arrest priests
updated 7/31/2005 8:20:40 PM ET

TOLEDO, Ohio — Police helped the Catholic Diocese of Toledo cover up sex abuse allegations for several decades, refusing to investigate or arrest priests suspected of molesting children, a newspaper reported Sunday.

The (Toledo) Blade, relying on interviews with former officers and a review of court and diocese records, found at least five instances since the 1950s of police covering up allegations of abuse.

Four former officers said Police Chief Anthony Bosch, a Catholic who headed the Toledo department from 1956 to 1970, established an unwritten rule that priests could not be arrested.

“You would have been fired,” said Gene Fodor, who served on the force between 1960 and 1981.

In some cases that resulted in charges, authorities blocked the release of files to the public. In others, priests were transferred to different churches or sent away for treatment.

The Rev. Robert Lamantia, who oversaw the transfer of a priest who was suspected of abusing a boy, said church officials knew police would not investigate.

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66. I condemn both the perpetrator and those involved in the coverup unequivocally.

[get the red out]

73. Question?

Is this a cultural problem, or a case of pedophilia? Or some combination of both?

I believe cultural education and assimilation are the only way to integrate refugees; but this isn't going to help with a pedo!