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Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:02 AM

The Minnesota shooting is the lead story

on BBC radio. Two black men killed in 48 hours was the opening line

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Reply The Minnesota shooting is the lead story (Original post)
malaise Jul 2016 OP
mcar Jul 2016 #1
puffy socks Jul 2016 #35
pipoman Jul 2016 #2
HipChick Jul 2016 #3
pipoman Jul 2016 #7
Glassunion Jul 2016 #13
Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #17
malaise Jul 2016 #4
HipChick Jul 2016 #5
malaise Jul 2016 #6
HipChick Jul 2016 #8
malaise Jul 2016 #9
IronLionZion Jul 2016 #11
Bradical79 Jul 2016 #22
IronLionZion Jul 2016 #10
Person 2713 Jul 2016 #43
geardaddy Jul 2016 #12
AtheistCrusader Jul 2016 #16
geardaddy Jul 2016 #20
puffy socks Jul 2016 #36
AtheistCrusader Jul 2016 #37
puffy socks Jul 2016 #39
AtheistCrusader Jul 2016 #41
betsuni Jul 2016 #14
Initech Jul 2016 #15
Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #21
Rex Jul 2016 #23
Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #27
Initech Jul 2016 #24
Marengo Jul 2016 #25
lostnfound Jul 2016 #33
Marengo Jul 2016 #44
Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #26
Stonepounder Jul 2016 #18
HoosierCowboy Jul 2016 #19
onecaliberal Jul 2016 #30
roamer65 Jul 2016 #28
Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #32
lostnfound Jul 2016 #34
Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #29
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #31
sarisataka Jul 2016 #38
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #40
suffragette Jul 2016 #42

Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:04 AM

1. When will this end

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Response to mcar (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:00 PM

35. When citizens start arresting these kinds of cops themselves?

 

Law enforcement is apparently incapable or unwilling to do their jobs here and clean out the psychopaths among them.

People threw rocks at the cops in Utah, so I'd say it's only a matter of time before the cops will likely be confronted by an angry mob of armed citizens somewhere.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:05 AM

2. link?

 

I don't cry about anything until i know what happened.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:09 AM

3. You would have to be dead, have a cold heart not to cry about this

This is heartbreaking..Murder/Execution by Police

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Response to HipChick (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:24 AM

7. Do You Have A Link?

 

If someone points a gun at a cop and is killed I have no tears or sympathy. Certainly there have been sad and even criminal police shootings. By far most police shootings are justifiable.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:45 AM

13. link

His hands look empty to me... No gun pointing at a cop.

He was reaching for his ID while black.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

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Response to pipoman (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:35 AM

17. Minnesota Shooting: LIVE news reporting

MPR.org

fox9.com

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Response to pipoman (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:11 AM

4. Well you'd better help me in finding a radio link to the BBC

There are several threads on this execution

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:12 AM

5. It's all over the US news this morning...

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Response to HipChick (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:17 AM

6. We know that

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:24 AM

8. I have only been back in the US for less than 48hrs..


this is a slap in the face..

Hi Malaise

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Response to HipChick (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:27 AM

9. Hi there HipChick

I was thinking of coming up for a few days for Miami sis's birthday, but I'll make it later in the year

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Response to pipoman (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:39 AM

11. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

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Response to pipoman (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:06 PM

22. Link to the Minnesota shooting thread

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:36 AM

10. Multiple DUers have told me they don't see color

and assured me that race doesn't exist. It's all in our heads. Everything is just peachy.

Those DUers probably don't look like the people being killed.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:25 PM

43. +1

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:40 AM

12. Link

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36732908



Transcript of video shot by the victim's girlfriend.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36733681

The aftermath of a police shooting in the US state of Minnesota appears to have been filmed by the victim's girlfriend.

Philando Castile was shot while in his car, and his girlfriend broadcast a Facebook Live video-stream showing him covered in blood with a police officer pointing his gun at him.

Full transcript from 0'01"-1'54" of video

[At the start, the video shows the driver conscious, but bleeding heavily and moving his head slowly.]

Woman: "Stay with me...[addresses camera]. We got pulled over for a busted tail-light in the back..."

[camera pans to show what appears to be a police officer standing outside the car, pointing a gun at the driver]




Woman: "...and the police just...he, he's covered - they killed my boyfriend. He's licensed, he's licensed to carry.

[man's voice heard groaning loudly]

"He was trying to get out his ID in his wallet out of his pocket, and he let the officer know that he was... that he had a firearm and that he was reaching for his wallet. And the officer just shot him in his arm. We're waiting for..."

Officer [shouting]: "Keep your hands [inaudible]"

Woman: "I will, Sir, no worries, I will."

[Officer shouts expletive]


Still from Facebook Live feed showing woman filming herself - July 2016Image copyright Facebook/Lavish Reynolds
Woman: "He just shot his arm off. We got pulled over on Larpenteur..."

Officer [shouting]: "I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his head up."

Woman: "He had...you told him to get his ID, Sir. His driver's licence. Oh my God, please don't tell me he's dead..."

[camera pans to show driver not moving]

Woman: "Please don't tell me my boyfriend just went like that..."

Officer [calmly]: "Keep your hands where they are, please."

Woman: "Yes I will, I'll keep my hands where they are... Please don't tell me this, Lord. Please, Jesus, don't tell me that he's gone. Please don't tell me that he's gone. Please, officer, don't tell me that you just did this to him. You shot four bullets into him, Sir. He was just getting his licence and registration, Sir.

[pause]

Officer [shouting]: "Get the female passenger out."

Second officer [shouting]: "Come out of the car with your hands up. Let me see your hands - exit now."


Still from Facebook Live feed shows police car and police officer near it pointing gun at the woman - another police officer is behind him, holding a young girl - July 2016Image copyright Facebook/Lavish Reynolds
[woman gets out of car; camera shows police car and police officer near it pointing gun at the woman - another police officer is behind him, holding a young girl]

Officer 2: "Keep em up, keep em up..."

Woman: "Where's my daughter? Have you got my daughter?"

Officer 2 [shouting]: "Face away from me and walk backwards [inaudible] - keep walking [repeats]. Get on your knees, get on your knees."


Still from Facebook Live feed shows police officer approaching - July 2016Image copyright Facebook/Lavish Reynolds
[child is heard screaming - sound of handcuffs being applied is heard as the camera faces up to the sky]

Officer 2 [quieter]: "Ma'am, you're just being detained right now while we get this sorted out, OK?"

[video continues for 7'50" more]

You can watch a video of the Facebook Live broadcast here.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:06 AM

16. Transcript is not accurate.

The officer is having some kind of emotional breakdown, including expletives that has been omitted in this transcript.

(Not criticizing you, just letting people who haven't seen the video know.)

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:57 AM

20. I didn't watch the video, so I couldn't tell if it was accurate.

Thanks for the correction.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:04 PM

36. The officer is trying to CYA

 

by yelling "I told him not to reach for it!"
"he feared for his life" will be the excuse used to justify this murder.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #36)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:05 PM

37. That will be the defense, yes.

I'm not buying it.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:10 PM

39. nope

 

He just listened to her calmly explain what happened ( trained officer wigs out ) and made it up.
I'll wager he's going to get away with it as well.
Is this brave woman and her child still being held by police?

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:15 PM

41. As far as I can tell, she's out and interviewing with the media.

Beyond that, I do not know.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:53 AM

14. The Alton Sterling murder was on Japanese news today. (nt)

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:00 AM

15. I am getting really sick of this shit.

Fuck guns, fuck gun nuts, and fuck the NRA.

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Response to Initech (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:57 AM

21. I don't see what this has to do with the NRA?

Policemen are not provided guns by the NRA. They are provided guns by a force sanctioned by law and supported by tax dollars.

Is every cop a gun nut because they carry one?

It appears as though each of these two cases is at best voluntary manslaughter, and at worst murder. Still, I don't see what this has to do with gun nuts.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:10 PM

23. You mean besides the fact the NRA donates money to police departments?

 

The NRA fuels the hate and fear paranoia so people will go out and buy more guns - which seems to work like a charm with the lesser willed of us.

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Response to Rex (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:22 PM

27. The NRA donates to police departments, who are paranoid so they go buy guns?


I did not know that.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:16 PM

24. Because the NRA and their love of the second amendment has trumped human rights?

The NRA believes that all people should have access to firearms. Any time there's any kind of shooting or mass shooting their message is literally always the same - "there should have been a good guy with a gun present". But what happens when there is a scenario like this where that can't be done? Not to mention the NRA has made it easier to get guns in the hands of people who flat out should not have firearms, like the police who have declared themselves judge, jury and executioner. And thanks to the NRA we've become so numb to violence that police think anytime anyone is reaching for something - whether it's their wallet or their phone, that they're immediately thinking the other person is going to draw a gun. This is what our society is becoming and it's getting scary.

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Response to Initech (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:20 PM

25. The NRA responsible for arming police departments?

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:50 PM

33. Why isn't the NRA up in arms about a man being killed for carrying a gun?

Their silence in all of these cases is very telling.

Don't they want to defend the right to bear arms?

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:07 PM

44. Not being a member, I cannot say, but that doesn't answer my question.

 

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Response to Initech (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:21 PM

26. That all seems irrelevant. nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:50 AM

18. Rainy Day Woman

Well, they'll stone you when you're tryin' to be so good
They'll stone you just like they said they would
They'll stone you when you're tryin' to go home
They'll stone you when you're there all alone
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

Well, they'll stone you when you're walkin' on the street
They'll stone you when you're tryin' to keep your seat
They'll stone you when you're walkin' on the floor
They'll stone you when you're walkin' to the door
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned
........
Bob Dylan always said the song was not about drugs but was a protest song about how minorities would always get 'stoned' (as in the Biblical stoning) no matter what they did.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:54 AM

19. Madame Revolution ....

Just got out of bed and is putting on her makeup. This shit has to stop. Maybe it will take one million armed back men marching to Cleveland to make the point.

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Response to HoosierCowboy (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:25 PM

30. Yup! #BurnItDown

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:23 PM

28. So where is the NRA outrage over this shooting?

Oh, I forgot, they don't like black folks having CPL's. Thus the deafening quiet from them. They're fascist scumbags.

My heart really goes out to the victim's family on this killing. Tragic and needless.




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Response to roamer65 (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:50 PM

32. +1000

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:52 PM

34. And why isn't the media asking them for comment?

Seems logical to me. Defend the right to bear arms is supposed to be their raison d'etre.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:24 PM

29. There will probably be another one in a few days...

Just another day...

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:49 PM

31. WTF?

This last one happened maybe 4 blocks from where I grew up, in an itty-bitty suburb of St. Paul. I don't understand why cops from St. Anthony Village, an even smaller suburb, were doing a traffic stop in Falcon Heights, which is nearby but not adjacent. I suspect their cops are not especially well-trained but we'll soon find out. Seems like no place is immune from this craziness.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:07 PM

38. I believe St Anthony V,

Falcon Heights and Lauderdale pool their police resources and Patrol each other's areas.

Theoretically all Minnesota police have the same training through the POST program.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:14 PM

40. OK, that makes sense. They are all pretty small burbs,

makes sense to pool resources. Minnesota's POST training program theoretically is pretty good, but who knows how much OTJ experience and training cops get in small suburbs, especially in dealing with PoC? When I lived in Falcon Heights it was almost entirely white, but that was a long time ago. So far it looks like this particular cop totally lost his shit, completely panicked. Stay tuned, this is one of the ugliest situations yet.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:24 PM

42. A markedly different outcome from recent NJ arrest

Of the three people who had multiple arms, ammo and even body armor. And they were on their way with intentions of using those against someone. Yet somehow, they were all taken into custody without injury after being stopped for a cracked windshield.

Contrast with this man who had no vigilante plans and was obeying the officer and within the law, and yet he was shot four times and killed.

No question in my mind that if he had been white, he would still be alive.

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