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Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:32 AM

Dear America - I weep for you

Guns kill

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Reply Dear America - I weep for you (Original post)
malaise Jul 2016 OP
Rex Jul 2016 #1
malaise Jul 2016 #2
Name removed Jul 2016 #29
malaise Jul 2016 #32
Rex Jul 2016 #61
chillfactor Jul 2016 #3
pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #4
brer cat Jul 2016 #15
malaise Jul 2016 #5
pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #6
malaise Jul 2016 #8
Mira Jul 2016 #33
malaise Jul 2016 #50
pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #67
malaise Jul 2016 #68
Albertoo Jul 2016 #7
pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #11
Albertoo Jul 2016 #12
pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #16
malaise Jul 2016 #20
Albertoo Jul 2016 #24
AntiBank Jul 2016 #35
malaise Jul 2016 #37
AntiBank Jul 2016 #38
malaise Jul 2016 #52
AntiBank Jul 2016 #56
malaise Jul 2016 #57
Albertoo Jul 2016 #42
AntiBank Jul 2016 #39
Albertoo Jul 2016 #43
AntiBank Jul 2016 #46
Albertoo Jul 2016 #48
Albertoo Jul 2016 #23
Rex Jul 2016 #62
pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #64
Rex Jul 2016 #66
Skittles Jul 2016 #70
malaise Jul 2016 #19
Albertoo Jul 2016 #26
morningfog Jul 2016 #31
Albertoo Jul 2016 #45
morningfog Jul 2016 #49
Albertoo Jul 2016 #53
morningfog Jul 2016 #30
Albertoo Jul 2016 #47
morningfog Jul 2016 #51
Albertoo Jul 2016 #54
Quantess Jul 2016 #9
malaise Jul 2016 #10
Albertoo Jul 2016 #13
malaise Jul 2016 #17
Albertoo Jul 2016 #21
Marengo Jul 2016 #44
Quantess Jul 2016 #25
Albertoo Jul 2016 #27
Quantess Jul 2016 #34
AntiBank Jul 2016 #36
Albertoo Jul 2016 #40
Quantess Jul 2016 #59
pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #63
Albertoo Jul 2016 #71
Albertoo Jul 2016 #72
barbtries Jul 2016 #14
malaise Jul 2016 #18
drray23 Jul 2016 #58
Calculating Jul 2016 #65
barbtries Jul 2016 #73
HipChick Jul 2016 #22
malaise Jul 2016 #69
nruthie Jul 2016 #28
AntiBank Jul 2016 #41
tonyt53 Jul 2016 #55
sofa king Jul 2016 #60

Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:44 AM

1. I don't weep, I am fucking pissed off!

 

A lot of good, innocent people died yesterday. We have a Congress that refuses to listen to 92% of the American population. We have a problem and it starts with Con-gress. I am personally cringing every time I see Obama get up on stage and start crying and begging for help. It distresses me to see the POTUS do that.

It is really pissing me off how all we can do is say shit like CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW! as a joke. And to learn all they do all day long is beg for money so they can start the race all over again.

America, we need to talk. Congress, pull up a chair we need to have that serious adult conversation. America has something to say.

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Response to Rex (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 05:49 AM

2. Rex if this doesn't change attitudes

nothing will. I remember the slaughter of the little ones - and they did nothing. Now it's the police.
I remembered Colorado where people called the cops about this man with a rifle and were told they couldn't do anything about it because of open carry. Then he slaughtered people. And they buried them and had flowers and prayers and candles and teddy bears.

It's the guns that kill.

But there is irony - the two black men killed weren't allowed that open carry right. And the first person they were looking for last night - he was a suspect because he was doing what all the white men can do - open carry.

It's the guns - but it's also institutional racism most foul.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:48 AM

32. Huh? n/t

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Response to malaise (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:52 PM

61. Agree 100%

 

It is the guns.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:02 AM

3. and what will Congress do today about gun control?

NOTHING! They are too wrapped up in emails and perjury to worry about innocent people dying.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:11 AM

4. They're outraged over (c) but couldn't care less about (c)arnage

As long as those NRA buck$ keep coming.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:25 AM

15. +1 nt

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:17 AM

5. They willtalk about thoughts, prayers

and have one minute of silence

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Response to malaise (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:24 AM

6. Their minutes of silence are now eating up almost as much time as their recesses. nt

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:50 AM

8. LOL

Yep - over and over and over and over

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:51 AM

33. You made me laugh out loud

In the midst of all the pain

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Response to Mira (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:17 AM

50. pinboy3niner hsd perfected the art

of using humor to keep us sane while making profound points

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Response to malaise (Reply #50)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:07 PM

67. Thankyou, malaise

I do try to do that.

But sometimes it's just my profound fart jokes.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #67)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:45 PM

68. I try hard not to miss your posts

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:49 AM

7. Terrorism is rising and terrorists will always find guns.

 

Hardly the right time to disarm American citizens.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:11 AM

11. WTF? It's the PROLIFERATION of guns in America that leads to gun tragedies and carnage

On all levels.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:21 AM

12. There has been a PROLIFERATION of islamist terrorist attacks worldwide this Ramadan

 

There's been a spike of killings from Bangladesh to Saudi Arabia (where there's gun control).

Have you already forgotten about San Bernardino and Orlando? Brussels and Paris?

Example of a control on firearms with terrorist attack: Saudi Arabia:
In Saudi Arabia there is no legal market for firearms.

However, many types of firearms are available on the black market, from 22lr pistols to fully automatic light machine guns like RPD and RPK. Their prices in the black market are approximately four or five times the average market price. The price for an AK47 ranges between $2,500 to $10,000 depending on the type and manufacturer.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:28 AM

16. I never, ever would have even guessed YOU would be eager to pin this on Muslims

Never in a brazillion years.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:49 AM

20. LOL

Perfect

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Response to malaise (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:28 AM

24. It's absolutely perfect to brush aside the question of islamic terrorism?

 

OK, no problem. Maybe in Jamaica.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:51 AM

35. Jamaica????? wtf,are you trying to go stupid and racial cuz Malaise has a Marley avatar???

 

wtf wtf

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #35)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:00 AM

37. I live in Kingston

Jamaica

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Response to malaise (Reply #37)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:02 AM

38. ahhh , did not know that. my ex wife is from St. Elizabeth.

 

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #38)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:19 AM

52. I know St Bess well

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Response to malaise (Reply #52)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:31 AM

56. I miss her cooking the most. my God did she make the best food

 

mannish water, run down, jerk pork cooked over pimento wood, homemade patties with koko bread, cow cod soup

we always took turns cooking but my slop was a fail, lol

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #56)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:45 AM

57. Love it

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:08 AM

39. I apologise for the stupid post. I own my mistakes.

 

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #39)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:12 AM

43. Apology accepted

 

I'm not here to fight

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #43)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:13 AM

46. me neither. sorry for the kneejerk on my part.

 

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #46)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:16 AM

48. It's all good

 

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:27 AM

23. I just mentioned disarming isn't sensible when foreign/ideological attacks increase

 

Now, if you want to think islamist terrorism isn't a growing problem that needs to be alerted about, suit yourself.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:56 PM

62. He wants to arm everyone with guns.

 

Lost cause imo.

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Response to Rex (Reply #62)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:09 PM

64. Gunz and Islamophobia. I can think of some sites where that is popular.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #64)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:05 PM

66. You know it.

 

Right on the money. Two things that go hand in hand imo.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:00 PM

70. paranoid gun humpers are EVERYWHERE

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:48 AM

19. FFS - stop and think

When did all this shit start?

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Response to malaise (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:31 AM

26. Which shit? Islamic terrorism? Somewhere around 615AD

 

When Muhammad started attacking peaceful Arab caravans from/to Mecca

(sometimes during the then 'holy' month, contrarily to the customs of the times)

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:46 AM

31. What the actual fuck does Islamic terrorism have to do with the police killings of black men and the

 

sniper killings last night?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:13 AM

45. The answer is in post #23

 

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:17 AM

49. That makes no sense.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:20 AM

53. Try googling the (long) list of worldwide islamist terrorist cases in recent months

 

Attacks on soft targets (public gatherings) mostly in countries with gun control

Sorry, I think it's wiser to stick to guns while this trend isn't stemmed.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:46 AM

30. Yeah. We need a bunch of terrorist-shootin' bravados to fix this! MORE GUNS!

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #30)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:15 AM

47. Your answer is totally off topic re: what I wrote

 

You simply are not addressing the fact terrorism is on the rise, targetting soft targets, and that eliminating random weapons from these soft targets enables the terrorist butchers.

See Paris, Istanbul Airport, Bardo museum in Tunis, etc, etc,

ad nauseam.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:18 AM

51. YOUR entire angle in this thread is off topic.

 

I am not at all afraid of islamic terrorism. I am much more concerned with anyone, including your boogey men, having easy access to firearms.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #51)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:22 AM

54. Well, I congratulate you for your optimism

 

I do not share it.

In practical terms, I wish the owners of the Pulse disco in Orlando had had one or two guns.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:00 AM

9. This is a tragic day for the USA.

I feel bad saying so, but right now I am glad I don't live in the US anymore.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:05 AM

10. Another tragic day in America

The more guns, the more tragedies - no one could pay me to live in the USA

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Response to malaise (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:24 AM

13. Where do you live and how is gun control safer there?

 

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:29 AM

17. I live in one of the murder capitals

of the planet. Most murders are committed with guns from the USA which find their way onto this island by a variety of means. Just like in America, there is little outrage about the level of inner-city slaughter.

Your lack of gun control does not help anyone on our planet.

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Response to malaise (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:24 AM

21. Let me see I understand: the crime rate in your country is the fault of the USA, right?

 

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Response to malaise (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:12 AM

44. How strict is gun control in Jamaica?

 

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:29 AM

25. Handguns are illegal where I live

and there is definitely far, far less gun violence here.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:34 AM

27. We already discussed that point

 

Your point of view is short term. I take the longer view: wars/civil wars frequently happen when you count in centuries.

After all, it would have been technically possible for the Japanese to invade Australia if they had focused their WWII efforts on that goal.

In this scenario, an Australian populace with the Second Amendment would have meant a Japanese failure. A disarmed Australian population, not so.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:51 AM

34. Each country's situation is different.

Sweden hasn't been directly involved in any wars since... well... I don't even know which war that would be. I'll have look it up.

Guns are exclusively for hunting, here.

Edit to add: 1814 indepence from Denmark and Norway

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Response to Quantess (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:59 AM

36. Sweden's last war was 1814, with Norway. 19 days long

 

Swedish-Norway Union was the result.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:09 AM

40. Sweden today is busy committing suicide. Without guns.

 

Riots, rapes, all this is skyrocketing.

But hey, how could it go wrong?

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:03 AM

59. That's a bit off-topic, but hey, knock yourself out.

Today my thoughts are with the USA having to deal with this tragedy.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #59)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:04 PM

63. When he doesn't mention Muslims or "Islamist radicals" we count our blessings

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #63)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:39 PM

71. Sure. And Hitler was not a danger in 1925.

 

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Response to Quantess (Reply #59)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:41 PM

72. What off topic? I was answering you about security in th ecountry you mentioned.

 

As for your suggestion to knock myself out, I doubt it's quite civil.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:25 AM

14. we are a sick country.

will have to wait to see if this latest mass shooting results in any action like prohibiting military weapons in the hands of civilians, but i have little hope (actually none). a country in which millions think donald trump would or ever could be a suitable leader. where police murder civilians on a regular basis especially if they are black men. a country where money is more valued than life.

my country tis of thee just ain't no more. the media sucks, and the NRA rules along with the MIC. endless war at home and abroad, and they love it because they're just piling up the cash.

even turning on a live stream to find out what's up in Dallas results in a few commercials before i can watch. and the political coverage jeezus please.

thank you Malaise. what would it take to move to jamaica?

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Response to barbtries (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:34 AM

18. It's truly sad to watch barbtries

We have an illegal gun problem here and we also have some trigger happy cops who kill with impunity.

That said the vast majority of those murdered in Jamaica know why they were killed and knew their killer.
Domestic violence is also high.

It doesn't take much to live here and with our dollar at 124 and change to one US dollar, money does go far (if you have dollars).

Most countries have issues but the NRA power over politicians and the media in America is 'exceptional' and must be addressed or America is over.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:56 AM

58. Maybe this tragic incident in Dallas which involved officers

Will prompt congress to act. Apparently they did not care about little kids or lgbt people being massacred, maybe they will about police officers given the Gop attitude. Since they are all about order and such it could be hard for them to block bills banning assault weapons especially given that the majority of citizens already want it. If police organizations also say that these assault weapons should not be in the hand of civilians, it may be enough to tilt the scales.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #58)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:57 PM

65. Assault weapons don't belong in the hands of police either

I'm more afraid of the police than dying to some random nut while out shopping.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #58)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 12:36 PM

73. one can hope,

but considering that they're owned by the NRA, and the only thing the NRA wants is more money and more profits for the industry, I have little to no hope.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:26 AM

22. Sadly...nothing will change

Just another day in America..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:57 PM

69. Not sure this time

Maybe they should address the issues raised by Vets.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:39 AM

28. Let us all pray.

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Response to nruthie (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:09 AM

41. religion is part of the problem, not the solution

 

IMHO

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:31 AM

55. I fear that we as a country, have hit a point that we can never cross back over.

 

Gun deaths are skyrocketing, and what do many people do? Go out and buy more guns. We have the NRA dictating policies on guns. We have a presidential candidate that is talking hate about many groups except white people. We have white people blaming blacks for not being able to stop killing other blacks in places like Chicago. We have false "charts" being put out showing the number of cops killed by blacks that is blatantly false. We have blacks being killed by cops over very minor offenses. We have already passed the number of police shooting deaths for all of last year.

What does all of this have in common? Guns, the easy access to guns. Toss in fears of all types and we get to where we are. Hell, we can't even get people on fly-watch lists banned from buying guns.

There is no turning back. There WILL be killings of blacks protesting the shooting deaths of blacks by cops. That is a done deal. We can't stop it. There WILL be retaliation killings by blacks over those killings. That is a done deal. We can't stop it. HOW THE HELL DID WE LET THIS HAPPEN????????? Near unfettered access to guns of all types and yet we do nothing. I blame ALL of us.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:07 AM

60. I am saddened.

As a person who has studied history his whole life, none of this is particularly new to me, and that makes it all the more tragic. These are the things I think I know:

* Both the violence of the state and the violence against the state naturally increases with the perceived gap between the poor and the wealthy.

* The well-publicized violence of this week is an escalation exactly like that which touched off the ongoing violence in Syria. We are no different from they in all important respects. The process has a "logic" to it which is simple and brutal, and once triggered it requires a collective effort from all sides to stop it in its tracks. We must succeed in doing this, or lose everything.

* We all have a choice, right now, in the things we say and do. We all either contribute to the problem or help solve it. Those who do nothing are automatically siding with the forces that eventually win, usually with violence and oppression if people of conscience fail to intercede and moderate.

* The only way to ratchet things down is to go forth, be a good person to others, and try to be unafraid. The vast majority of people are good people who are worth knowing, and knowing them reduces misunderstanding and violence. Go out and make friends, right now.

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