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Last edited Wed Dec 28, 2011, 03:25 PM - Edit history (2)
[h3]The American People hate Congress for being out of touch, and the fact that 40% of the House and Senate are from the top 1%, and 80% are from the top 10% in terms of wealth, pretty much is the one fact that comes closest to saying it all. [/h3] Of course, truly saying it all might require a book, or at least several discussion threads here.
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See More at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/why-people-hate-congress-in-one-chart/2011/12/28/gIQA1IyUMP_blog.html
On Edit: WaPost now states (noticed by B2G below) that this graphic actually represents American wealth as if it represented seats in Congress on a one dollar, one vote basis. Those are not the actual words of the correction but it's my take of the gist of it. As noted by me in the thread below, and as I'm in the process of confirming, an actual graphic showing the wealth of members of US congress would be equally or more dramatic than the one above, in the sense that a lower percentage would be in the blue.lower income category.
The actual WaPo amendment states " This post initially used a chart that included data that we and others misunderstood. It did not reflect the wealth of Congress, but instead the wealth of the country, described according to percentages of seats in Congress. The Fix regrets the error.)"
treestar
(82,383 posts)The American people need to quit being helpless about who is in Congress. All they have to do is pay attention. And quit obsessing over the Presidency. Use their heads and do a little work rather than sitting back and just letting whoever spends the most money win.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)I'd like to see who occupies the blue seats.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)This covers the deep blue seats, anyway:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/25-members-of-congress-with-lowest-net-worth/2011/12/27/gIQAOJApKP_gallery.html
treestar
(82,383 posts)A few of them were even Republicans!
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)are the kind of people who live high on the hog while spending other people's money.
The 80% cannot possibly have a net worth of -4 million dollars.
Didn't Trump have a negative net worth for a while? Didn't make him part of the 99%.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)They haven't had time to cash in on the information they get while serving.
Debbie Stabenow is among the 25 as are some other prominent Democrats. Good for her. Good for those who have not taken advantage of the privilege.
As for the negative numbers, if your house is underwater but you are still making payments, you are in the red. Some of these negative numbers look to me like debt on overpriced houses.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)people with unlimited funds?
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)It takes millions of dollars to win a Congressional seat, often the candidates own money.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Because people won't read, won't pay attention, and will only vote for people they've heard of through ads, or other expensive methods of reaching out to them.
People need to quit lying back and letting it happen that way and then claiming to be victimized by it!
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)and neither does the TV news
treestar
(82,383 posts)In local races, they could call the candidate themselves.
They could read the more local papers. Go to meetings. If they cared.
We are not trapped into voting for whoever spent the most money. We are just so lazy we let them win.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)In the last Congressional race here, they had one debate.
In both 2006 and 2008, the local debate was packed and also filmed for the local cable access channel. However, those events are limited to the larger cities.
Calling a Congressional candidate is kinda forward, and the candidate is not likely to have time to talk to just one voter.
But you know who would have the time? The candidate with money, because he would have a secretary and staff to answer questions and write letters. You know who especially has the resources? - the incumbent, because they get the taxpayers to pay for their staff and for their travel expenses. The newspapers cover them, because it is a big deal when a sitting Congressperson comes to town.
It is not nearly as big a deal when a wanna-be visits.
Incumbents, famous people and rich people are always gonna have huge advantages, and the voters sorta rightly expect the system to work for them, not be something where they have to do a bunch of work.
tblue37
(65,328 posts)to be sucked in by propaganda then go only to "information" sources that reinforce their ideology, which they adopted in the first place because of propaganda, so they never do learn any real facts about the people running for office. And even when they do accidentally bump into truths, they dismiss them as lies because those facts dont reinforce the narrative they have already adopted because of propaganda they have been sucked in by.
It's a self-reinforcing feedback loop.
Remember the sketch on Bill Mahr's Real Time in which he and Keith Olbermann tried desperately to get through to a Republican voter who didn't even acknowledge that they were speaking because he was in a bubble and could not hear them?
That's the problem: RW voters are in a bubble created by propaganda sources (the RW echo chamber). They can't even hear facts that they are accidentally exposed to, and they certainly are not willing to go to any source that provides information that doesn't reinforce their RW beliefs. (Or of they do, it is only to troll there--like when Freepers show up here only to taunt us, not to gather information.)
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)Speaking of lazy.... lazy thinking that.
How about: a good portion of the 99% work their asses off to raise families and work (sometimes multiple jobs) because they don't make a living wage. Their time is valuable. Using my mother (single, raising 2 kids) as an example: by the time she got off work, cooked dinner and got things ready for the next day of work at her (sometimes multiple) job(s), it was time for bed. Laundry (at the laundromat because we didn't have a washer dryer), house cleaning, bill paying and shopping on the weekends.
How about: the process is purposefully opaque exactly because there is a bias toward keeping the "rabble" away from and ignorant of the process.
How about: the average reading level FOR ADULTS in this country is at an 8th or 9th grade level. That really doesn't allow for vast amounts of complex thinking regarding where you might find clear, digestible information about the candidates. And it also doesn't allow for quite the nuanced thinking and weighing of political options that.... say,.... your average middle to upper-middle class white, white-collar employee might have.
What you posted is incredibly short sighted and insulting.
Yes, SOME people can pull themselves up out of abject poverty and out of a family with absolutely no background in education beyond middle school. But it is very rare and it is hard as fuck. (I should know)
And SOME people with no clue about the workings of politics can educate themselves about the subject and about the process. But, again, not easy. At least not in the somehow flippant manner you seem to ascribe it. Not by a fucking long shot. (again, I should know)
unblock
(52,196 posts)the kennedys were rich but they fought for the little guy.
people wouldn't mind more of that.
the corporate world wouldn't stand for it, of course, but the people would love it.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)This is one way in which the rich are, in fact, the "masters" of Congress, because if Congress is not deferential to the class of the rich, they will be heavily punished for that in the next election cycle via political ad spending.
unblock
(52,196 posts)it's hardly reassuring if someone in the lower 80% is serving the interests of the koch brothers.
i'd rather have a kennedy, a top 1%-er serving the interests of the less fortunate.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)In effect, the weight on the scales of justice that money constitutes means that the American People are forced to have a passionate super-majority movement in order to get things accomplished that ought to be able to be accomplished with a regular majority.
unblock
(52,196 posts)greed sells itself, it merely needs a thin disguise of respectability.
doing the right thing, by contrast, is a hard sell.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)unblock
(52,196 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)$164,000, or whateverter congressional salary is these days, has to be in the top 20% doesn't it?
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)I do think it shows why Congress seems to hate the American people, however.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)(This post initially used a chart that included data that we and others misunderstood. It did not reflect the wealth of Congress, but instead the wealth of the country, described according to percentages of seats in Congress. The Fix regrets the error.)
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)for Congress. I'll bet/hope that someone will publish that data. If I find it I will post it here. Note, however, that the Washington post admits here to publishing incorrect info, FWIW.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)If I read the dataset in the above link properly... and I believe I do.
maggiesfarmer
(297 posts)nice, refreshingly honest update by "The Fix" to admit they didn't understand the data
B2G
(9,766 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Please see my comments on edit in the OP, at the bottom of the OP. Thanks for pointing this out though.
Muskypundit
(717 posts)boxman15
(1,033 posts)eyes, it's likely going to stay that way. People hate Congress but love their congressman.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I don't know why. It seems to me like the statistics should speak for themselves.
Yet, people here attack "corporate personhood", "Diebold", "fossil fuel/oil companies", etc. And on and on. Silliness.
The reason why people hate Congress is because they know that they are almost all on the take, willing to sell their votes to the highest bidder, rather than do what they claimed they would do, and represent the voters in their districts.
I give up.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)so, don't give up. Maybe you're succeeding, albeit more slowly than the near-instantaneous success we would all like to have on things important.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)the topic then sinks like a rock and topics about marijuana and Ron Paul float to the surface.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)I wouldn't take the fact that a thread sinks as proof of a lack of merit. In fact, if a post is totally agreed by all, and totally true, it will sink like a rock. It takes a debatable proposition to generate a lot of debate that can carry a thread. (Kicking a post is an exception to the aforementioned rule but nowhere near enough people kick a thread to be a real substitute for a debate, nor can strategies like replying to almost every post - which I've kind of done in this thread - really be an effective substitute for a debate discussion)
But now that both you and I are here, our exchanges on this topic are keeping the thread alive. For maximum effect, though, you may want to find a foil to fight with on a future thread, if the goal is to keep a thread kicked. I don't have one myself, I'm just saying that's what would work.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Kicking.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)maggiesfarmer
(297 posts)this is the most sensible post i've read all day. and I agree with the poster who pointed out how once a logical statement is made that all agree on -- there's nothing left to discuss (unless you're one of those people who just can't help themselves and post a '+1' or 'right on' or 'THIS^' message.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)In what fantasy world?
kentuck
(111,079 posts)The dark blue is not really in the bottom 80% - they are still part of the top 25-30%. They make a salary of at least $172K per year. That is hardly part of the bottom 80%/
_ed_
(1,734 posts)yet we return them at a rate that's always above 90%. We have the power to get rid of the entire House in 2012, from the Speaker to the newest member. We also have the power to swap out the entire Senate within six years. Every election, we choose not to despite the fact that "people hate Congress." What's the disconnect?
Why not pledge to never support any incumbent? Don't you think if we got rid of the entire House, 1/3 of the Senate, and the President in 2012 other politicians would take notice?
This is why I'm against term limits. We already have term limits: it's called voting.
Don't vote for incumbents, and don't be fooled that your rep and Senators "are the good ones." They are all complicit in this corrupt system.
tblue37
(65,328 posts)representatives.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/10/nation/la-na-congress-public-20111210
Americans' view of Congress at all-time lowIn a Gallup Poll, 76% in the U.S. say most representatives do not deserve to be reelected. But a slim majority would keep their own leaders in their House seats.
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Even though Congress as an institution is historically unpopular, Gallup found that 53% of those polled said they would reelect their own representative. Those numbers are low, but not record lows.
"Most voters believe Washington is broken because other people's congressman broke it <emphasis added>," Wasserman said.
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