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[seabeyond]

1. Tell ya what, and how this works. Get them to address the MOST disproportional group being

murdered and get those boundaries and it behooves ALL of us, cops included and the numbers go down. Everyone's numbers. Including cops killed.

[Travis_0004]

2. So what you are saying is that Male Lives Matter????

[hill2016]

5. well

Your use of "murder" is extremely distorting and inflammatory given that many of those killed were armed.

In any case given that males are 50% of the population but 95% of those killed, they have a 19 times probability of being killed by police compared to females. That's the most disproportional group being killed.

In comparison, blacks have a roughly 2.25 times probability of being killed by the police compared to non-blacks.

[seabeyond]

7. Ok. My point still stands. Nt

[ContinentalOp]

24. There were 19 unarmed black people shot and killed by police so far this year and 23 white people.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database?CMP=fb_gu#

On that website you can sort by race, armed/unarmed, cause of death, etc. And by the way, at least four of those white people were killed by their husbands/fathers who were cops. Remove those off-duty murders, and cops have killed exactly the same number of unarmed white and black people this year.

You can do the math on what that means per capita for black people vs white people.

[Travis_0004]

29. Of those 42, only 6 were female

What does that mean per capita for men vs women?

[ContinentalOp]

36. It means that cops view black people as a threat, not women.

Let's take a closer look at those women shall we?

Seven unarmed women this year were shot and killed by police. Three were the wives of officers who were murdered by their husbands. One was black, one was native american. The other two were bystanders in situations caused by men. One was a passenger in a stolen car, and the other a 12 year old child whose father was pointing a gun at the police.

So not surprisingly, the women at risk are women of color, the wives of police officers, and women who happen to be bystanders in incidents primarily involving men.

And the pattern holds up if we look at 2015. Five unarmed women were shot and killed by cops. Two were black, two were murdered by a husband and boyfriend who were cops, and the fifth one was accidentally shot by a cop who was trying to shoot her dog.

[puffy socks]

17. Why? The more brutality we can publicy prove

the better. People need to see Mexicans, white, Chinese Jews, Muslims, LGBT people being beaten and killed for no reason. It will help display how large the brutality /misconduct problem really is. No group should remain quiet.

[seabeyond]

18. Ok. I am going to think about this. Nt

[Warpy]

4. Well, it would help a lot if males stopped committing most of the violent crimes

Just sayin'.

[hill2016]

6. well that sounds like a very sexist statement

why do blacks have a higher probability of being killed compared to to whites?

[seabeyond]

8. Men commit 98.9% of rape, or some such number. Making that statement, am I being "sexist"?

[hill2016]

16. do you think that

just because men are more likely statistically to commit violent crimes, it's okay for them to be killed by the police 19 times more often females?

[seabeyond]

21. "it's okay for them to be killed by the police" Please stop. I stop talking to people that purpose

these arguments. Just not my style.

I am not "okay" with killing, period, end of conversation.

And my post was about addressing you calling this sexist. Which you did not address.

[Travis_0004]

9. Maybe because they statistically commit more crimes per capita

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

[Warpy]

10. Uh, that looks like a particularly idiotic post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime

[hill2016]

14. are you saying that

just because males are statistically more likely to commit violent crimes, they should be treated more violently by the police?

Isn't that sexism?

[Warpy]

26. No, you said that.

Pretty strawman, but he's all yours.

[Squinch]

28. Why are you doing this?

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. My guess is because responding ...

"So what?" to the killing of unarmed Black men would be too obvious.

[Squinch]

44. Oh, crap...

That's horrifying.

[Squinch]

27. Oh, good. It's not just me who thinks that.

[TeddyR]

12. If you are committing more violent crimes

As a group then it stands to reason that you'd be more likely to die in a violent encounter with police. But that is simply a starting point in the analysis I would think.

[Happyhippychick]

13. You obviously don't understand what "sexist" means. Nt

[David__77]

11. Do black people commit a disproportionate share of crime?

If so, is that a causal factor in black people accounting for a disproportionate share of those killed by police?

And, if both black people and males commit a disproportionate share of crime, what, if anything, does that mean?

[puffy socks]

23. Showing statistics of black crime data

shows they are targeted. not that they commit more crimes. Not to mention, the police are about as trustworthy as Donald Trump.... possibly even less, and plant evidence or fabricate charges.

[TeddyR]

30. I try to stay away from race-related discussions here

Because your post is misinterpreted or the discussion simply goes nowhere, but something like half of all murders are committed by black males, despite the fact that they make up a small percentage of the population. This seems to run counter to your "targeted" argument.

[puffy socks]

35. How many of those charged actually committed the crimes they were charged with?

How many of those homicides were justified?

How many would be justified if it were a white person who had killed in the same situation?

Are these homicides committed because they are black or because they are poor?

How many whites are not prosecuted for a homicide because they have access to the best lawyers?

[TeddyR]

38. The statistics are what they are but always need context to tell the whole story

But let's assume you are right and a handful of these murders were wrongly prosecuted. That still means black males are committing almost half of all murders. And yeah I agree that poor has a lot to do with it, regardless of race. Poverty makes people desperate.

[puffy socks]

39. The problem is we cant rely on it being "a handful"

because the cops are full of crap and have shown time and time again they will fabricate reports and band together to prevent any scrutiny such as charging $18, 000 for a police report etc.

[Brickbat]

19. Knock yourself out and build a movement!

There's a marketplace of ideas, after all!

[PSPS]

20. What a silly post/thread

What's next?

"Of people in jail, 91% are male*. Where's the outcry?"

* = actual true figure.

In case you don't know, most drivers are males and males have this hormone called testosterone.

[Brickbat]

22. Or if you want to start agitating with your own municipality on how the police department determines

its policies on use of force and other policing issues, that would also be a good idea. Win win for everyone!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. Are female cops disproportionately killing males?

[IL Lib]

31. Would you have taken the time

to create this thread if we were seeing unarmed white males being shot and killed by African American policemen? In your opinion why aren't we seeing that? Why does is seem to be primarily white officers involved in these shootings?

[Travis_0004]

33. Probably because whites make up the majority of the population

They are 77% of the population. One would naturally assume they make up 77% of police forces

[IL Lib]

41. You and a few others appear to be dense in posts with similar topics

As I pointed out to you in another post (the post listing the number of blacks and whites shot and killed by police), why is it that if blacks are 13% of the population but they're killed more frequently? Your previous post theory is at odds with this particular fact. Are we going to use the theory in your previous post or are we going to use an entirely different theory?

Also, since whites are the majority of the population why aren't unarmed white males being shot and killed with a higher frequency per capita?

[XemaSab]

37. Actually, black cops are more likely to use deadly force

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

[IL Lib]

43. Please refer to my previous posts

I specified the killings of unarmed black males for a reason.

[1StrongBlackMan]

47. Where does the information at the link state that?

[pnwmom]

32. How many women carry guns in police presence?

[Travis_0004]

34. Probably a small amount

What you are saying is that men are killed more often by police due to differences in how often they commit crime and how they act around police officers.

Yet black men are killed more often because racism?

[JI7]

48. yes. there are actual studies which show this.

[pnwmom]

51. Men have higher levels of testosterone than women, which is linked to

higher levels of aggression.

Black people don't have higher levels of testosterone than white people.

[Beaverhausen]

42. Women are busy being killed by husbands, boyfriends and exes.

By a long shot.

[IL Lib]

46. Like some of these deniers,

I had no clue that so many males were responsible for the deaths of their girlfriends/wives. The difference is that I'm not on forums since I've been enlightened trying to deny that it happens or the reasoning as to why it happens.

[1StrongBlackMan]

49. A transparent and cowardly one, at that ...

Why doesn't he/she just say, "So what?" to the killing of unarmed Black males; instead of posing this BS argument?

[minnesota_liberal]

50. Incomplete Statistics Don't Tell the Whole Story

I don't have all the statistics with regard to persons killed by police, but I think it's worth pointing out that looking at one or two statistics while ignoring other factors can give a skewed picture.

An example in major league baseball is the per game number of home runs hit in July compared to September. You might expect that the numbers would be very similar or - since each game becomes more important towards the end of the season - possibly a bit higher number in September. But in truth, July sees far more home runs and the primary reason is tied to temperature. Average temps in July are higher, air is less dense and hit balls travel farther.

What I'm getting at is that comparing male deaths or black deaths to the percentage of those groups among the total population can give a skewed result.

Are all categories of adults equally likely to face an encounter with police, be carrying a concealed weapon or be involved in the commission of a crime that police are responding to?

Yes, there could be a disparity, but there's more to the story.