Two deputy sheriff's shot dead in St. Joe, Michigan.

[B Calm]

Last edited Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Gunman also dead.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/07/11/reports-shots-fired-berrien-county-courthouse-st-joseph/86953034/

[Gabi Hayes]

1. 3 dead now, according to msnbc

didn't see your thread, so I started one

wonder if it was the perp who was number 3

[B2G]

3. It was.

One cop wounded as well.

[Hortensis]

20. Is this new? Never mind. It is.

Michigan courthouse, 2 bailiffs dead, other employee and someone elsewounded, shooter dead. Gunman took weapon off deputy.

Do we know if it has anything to do with racially motivated violence?

[pipoman]

24. Exactly why police shoot people who rush them.

[B2G]

2. Don't expect this to get a lot of attention

because, A) they were cops, shot by a criminal, and B) it doesn't further the gun control argument.

[Gabi Hayes]

5. wow!

MORE GUNS NOW!

[B2G]

6. This has nothing do to with gun control laws.

Nothing at all.

[Gabi Hayes]

10. uhhhh, infer much?

MORE GUNS!

I repeat

MORE GUNS!

doesn't that make you squirm with excitement?

[B2G]

12. Yeah.

[Gabi Hayes]

16. yeah to the inferring or the squirming?

MORE GUNS!

for More Science High

are you a spy, or a girl delighter?

[Dreamer Tatum]

19. Science now permits your thought patterns to be deduced remotely

[Gabi Hayes]

21. not if you used it in your own behalf

or, better yet:

[Dreamer Tatum]

22. I strongly prefer not to use your brain "in my own behalf." nt

[Gabi Hayes]

29. ???

am I to infer hostility?

EDIT. hit wrong button...continuing

responding to me generally, or to unintended use of pronouns in previous post. I wasn't talking to, or about you in the tinfoil post

regards

GH

[gaspee]

11. Oh, please!

The television has been nothing but an orgy of cop love since the Dallas shootings - to say it's not going to get any attention is stupid. It fits the narrative perfectly that cops are the ones whose lives are in danger and more important than the rest of us.

[B2G]

13. I meant here. nt

[pinboy3niner]

17. Currently there are 3 active threads in GD and 1 in LBN. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

23. If the society had fewer guns, you wouldn't arm baliffs in courts

and then, if the reports that he grabbed a baliff's gun are correct, he wouldn't have been able to get a gun.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

25. Wow

[Dreamer Tatum]

26. And we could quit giving them to soldiers, too.

Honestly, that is the silliest attempt to cram a square peg in a round hole that I have seen in a long while.

[muriel_volestrangler]

28. No, soldiers are meant to kill people

Bailiffs aren't. The USA arms them because of the amount of guns the society has given itself.

This is interesting - several DUers don't seem able to comprehend the idea of unarmed security staff.

[TeddyR]

30. Bailiffs serve in court

And oversee criminals who have been arrested. Pretty sure they are armed to control an already disarmed criminal populace, not because they'll encounter street violence.

On edit, this or something similar has happened before. Bailiffs are armed because they are dealing with criminals. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Nichols

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. And the guns increase the chances of someone getting severely wounded or killed

Being in handcuffs put them at a big disadvantage. Prison officers in the UK deal with criminals all the time, but they're not routinely armed.

[Dreamer Tatum]

31. Unarmed security staff goes by another name: Professional Witness.

Man, the dips and turns some people will make.

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. I haven't the faintest idea what you're saying

What do you mean by 'professional witness'? That seems to have nothing at all to do with bailiffs, armed or not.

[Gabi Hayes]

34. I think this person is attempting to say that they'll be helpless in the face of armed violence.

but, if the security is as tight as it usually is, your point about the only place to get a gun is from the POLICE is right on

does this person think the guards in prison wear guns?

duh

why bother trying to reason. you just get straw men, or unintelligible argle bargle to quote one of our most esteemed SCOTUS corpses

[muriel_volestrangler]

36. I was wondering about American prisons

I know British prison officers aren't normally armed. I can see that in the USA, they have to consider the chances of someone trying to break the prisoners free from a courthouse using weapons, and you have to make a courthouse much more accessible to the public than a prison - hence a need for guns, given the number the American public have.

[ileus]

39. When was the last time you entered an American Courthouse?

When was that last attempt to break out a prisoner from the courthouse using firearms?



Even when all Americans are disarmed Bailiffs and deputies will be armed simply because of the violent folks they escort. Much like most prison guards are armed.

[muriel_volestrangler]

40. Are most prison guards armed?

Examples:
Alaska: "Inside prisons, correctional officers generally work unarmed except for their self-defense training, a canister of pepper spray and a radio with a "man-down," or panic, button"

New York: "Correction officers are trained in the use of a firearm, but only certain post assignments require officers to be armed due to the potential threat of prisoners overpowering an officer. Officers assigned to prisoner transport units, outside hospital posts, exterior patrol posts, and security posts carry a firearm. "

[Gabi Hayes]

32. MORE GUNS!

EVERYWHERE!

I work in a school, and I be strapped in august. fuck the law

[Logical]

27. WTF are you talking about? Or just whining? nt

[tenderfoot]

4. The perp grabbed the cop's gun

creative.

[Masked Dissident]

7. What was the motive?

Why were the cops killed?

[B2G]

8. Probably hoping to make a break for it. nt

[B Calm]

9. The sheriff will have the next press conference at 6 pm.

[Dreamer Tatum]

14. Cops wear uniforms. Uniforms are garments.

Do the math.

[B2G]

15. You are killing me. nt

[gollygee]

37. It was an inmate

I imagine he was trying to get away.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2016/07/3_dead_1_injured_in_shooting_a.html

[grossproffit]

18. Horrific. Damn.

[gollygee]

38. This was an inmate, not a random person or a protestor or anything like that.

Probably someone trying to escape custody.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2016/07/3_dead_1_injured_in_shooting_a.html