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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:16 AM Jul 2016

Gilead, maker of $84,000 Hepatitis C drug, avoided $10 billion in taxes, report says

Gilead, maker of $84,000 Hepatitis C drug, avoided $10 billion in taxes, report says
By Renae Merle and Carolyn Y. Johnson July 13 at 6:00 AM

Over the last few years, Gilead Sciences has grown into one of the world’s largest pharmaceutical companies, fueled by the sales of expensive specialty treatments for hepatitis C. The company’s revenue has tripled since 2012, to $32.6 billion last year.

According to a report to be released Wednesday, Gilead has also developed another specialty: Avoiding billions in taxes.

The California-based pharmaceutical giant moved some of its assets to Ireland, apparently allowing income from some U.S. drug sales to be shifted abroad and taxed at a lower rate, according to Americans for Tax Fairness, a liberal advocacy group. It has also avoided nearly $10 billion in taxes by not bringing some of its foreign profits back to the United States, the group says.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/maker-of-84000-drug-avoided-10-billion-in-u-s-taxes-report-says/
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Gilead, maker of $84,000 Hepatitis C drug, avoided $10 billion in taxes, report says (Original Post) workinclasszero Jul 2016 OP
I was on combo therapy here in Stockholm of sofosbuvir and simeprevir AntiBank Jul 2016 #1
Good thing you don't live in the USA, and not a billionaire angstlessk Jul 2016 #4
This is the price Americans pay for workinclasszero Jul 2016 #6
Transplant is my field in nursing ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #9
Sweden is part of the Nordic Transplant Union with Norway Denmark Finland AntiBank Jul 2016 #10
Thank you! ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #16
My husbnd is on the liver/kidney Texasgal Jul 2016 #19
all my best hopes and wishes that one comes soon AntiBank Jul 2016 #20
Did they pay taxes in the countries where they made their overseas profits? nt hack89 Jul 2016 #2
Given that it was Ireland, I'm gonna take a guess that they used the double Irish loophole GummyBearz Jul 2016 #7
Again, to put the price of that drug into some perspective: LeftyMom Jul 2016 #3
It's not cheaper than the alternative... angstlessk Jul 2016 #5
I know. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #11
That is so sad...I am sorry to hear that. angstlessk Jul 2016 #13
It wasn't even lack of funds, they just slow walked the paperwork. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #18
that 250K is from 2002 its up to 750K now and over 1 million at a top 10 clinic AntiBank Jul 2016 #8
Yeah. Going through it with my parents. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #12
Thank God they discovered that a living person can survive angstlessk Jul 2016 #14
I am. We're in the worst region of the country for liver transplant wait times, LeftyMom Jul 2016 #17
Close the tax loopholes and that won't happen Rex Jul 2016 #15
I seem to recall that Rumsfeld is connected Gilead... Thor_MN Jul 2016 #21
 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
1. I was on combo therapy here in Stockholm of sofosbuvir and simeprevir
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jul 2016

for just 6 months and it finally cleared my hep c after years of failure with the standard ribavirin/pegulated interferon therapy. Due to our single payer system the cost was zero (I had already hit the the roughly 250 usd rolling annual co pay cap). Clearing the hep c allowed me to get a liver transplant in Feb 2015 after only being on the wait list for 13 days. Cost for that was around 150 usd for the hospital stay of 14 days total. Liver is so far 100% aok. The Swedish government pays pennies on the pound for drugs compared to the USA due to not having to buy at crazy inflated prices.

In the USA, counting the operation and the drugs over the years (I had preexisting so no way could have gotten insurance) it would have set me back close to 1.5 million usd and I probably would have died waiting on the list.

Not having single payer universal health care is murder.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
4. Good thing you don't live in the USA, and not a billionaire
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jul 2016

or they would say 'oh, well, I guess you will just have to die', and you would...

Hep C drugs and a liver transplant for $500, cheap at twice that price and about 2000 times $500 in the good ole US of A (that would be about 1 million bucks)

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
6. This is the price Americans pay for
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jul 2016

800 overseas military bases. We throw trillions of dollars into our insane military budget and then claim there's no money for social security or national health care.

Me having to pay for the drugs in this story would be a death sentence. No way could i come up with that amount.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
9. Transplant is my field in nursing
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jul 2016

If you don't mind a couple of questions, Do you know how organ allocation is done in Sweden? In the US we have UNOS--I am assuming a like organization-and Why did you have to clear your HCV to get on the list? BTW congratulations on your transplant!

The price of the Harvoni here is still nearly a thousand dollars a pill--all the more criminal because it is essentially a cure for HCV. I know people who have been denied by thier insurance companies

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
10. Sweden is part of the Nordic Transplant Union with Norway Denmark Finland
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jul 2016

and Iceland. The average wait is around 45 to 90 days once you are on the list. It's the shortest in the world. I had to clear Hep C because otherwise the new liver would get infected and the rate of decomposition would be much faster. In Sweden we have a board based out of Karolinska Sjukhuset in Huddinge that decides national allocation. That's also where I had the surgery. It's a top 10 in the world unit. My care from entry into the system via the Gastrocentrum unit up until I got the transplant was superb. We are talking a 6 year grinding downward spiral with my health though. But I recieved an incredible amount of aid all round in every facet of my life and I have become good friends with many of the doctors and nurses. If it wasn't for a complication with my jaw I would have been out of the hospital in only 9 days post op, an alltime record for the country. Every area of treatment is incredibly efficient and they are extremely picky about donor match, so they have one of the lowest rejection rates in the world. I have a very uncommon blood type for Scandinavia so I was lucky and had a match in only 13 days, as no one else on the list was competition for me. I will soon be down to only one antirejection drug, Tacrilimus. I get enraged when I here conservative bastards say that socialised universal heathcare is a disaster. It saved my live and it was basically free (we pay a lot of of tax here but get so much back). In fact, a person making a basic income of 40K to 75K USD per annum here pays LESS tax than a worker does does in NYC. Above 80K a Swede pays more BUT we get free university (our PhD students are actually paid to study, it varies from 40K usd per year up to over 100,000 in some cases depending on the degreed pursued) free healthcare, around 45 days or so paid vacation, free childcare, and up to one year paid leave from work for BOTH parents.

I pay my taxes with great pride. My money goes to help me and my fellow Swedes in so so many beneficial and vital ways.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
16. Thank you!
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jul 2016

A certain segment of the Transplant patients are on Havoni--it's always non formulary, and paid by insurances. A lot of my patients are too sick to get clear, so are transplanted with active disease. Or there are the patients who are on the list and almost too sick to transplant, OR not quite sick enough to be high in the list--then it's a horrible waiting game. I'm going to take your info back to talk about at work. Different countries do different things--for instance, South Korea has been doing living related Liver Transplants for some time--my institution just started.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
20. all my best hopes and wishes that one comes soon
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jul 2016

I do know that certian areas in the US have much lower wait times than others. If memory serves Tennessee is very short. I think that's were Steve Jobs somehow got his in a hurry.

yes it was

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterubel/2015/06/24/your-new-liver-is-only-a-learjet-away-first-of-three-parts/#62baf1f93b4b


As a result of these geographic variations in supply and demand, patients in Northern California wait more than six years, on average, for a liver transplant, whereas the majority of patients in Tennessee receive new livers in less than three months.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
7. Given that it was Ireland, I'm gonna take a guess that they used the double Irish loophole
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jul 2016

In which case the answer is no. Here is a summary on how it works...

"The double Irish arrangement was a tax strategy that some multinational corporations used to lower their corporate tax liability. The strategy has ceased to be available since 1 January 2015, though those already engaging in the arrangement have until 2020 to find another arrangement. The strategy used payments between related entities in a corporate structure to move income from a higher-tax country to a lower or no tax jurisdiction. It relies on the fact that Irish tax law does not include transfer pricing rules as does the United States[1] and those of many other jurisdictions. Specifically, Ireland has territorial taxation, and does not levy taxes on income booked in subsidiaries of Irish companies that are outside the state."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement

edit: Google used this to pay roughly 2.3% effective tax rate on billions and billions of dollars of earnings one year

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
3. Again, to put the price of that drug into some perspective:
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jul 2016

It had zero competition for about a year before a similar drug that does the same thing came to market.

Untreated Hep C is the leading cause of liver cancer in the developed world.

The cost of a liver transplant is about a quarter mil, and post-transplant drugs can be anywhere from $4 plan to $100K/yr and you have no advance idea of which ones and in what combination are going to work for you particularly. People die waiting for livers. Fixing a liver soon enough to keep somebody in the factory equipment saves their life and potentially the life of somebody behind them on the transplant list.

It's literally cheaper than the alternatives.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
5. It's not cheaper than the alternative...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016

a funeral only costs about $10,000 give or take a thousand or two.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
13. That is so sad...I am sorry to hear that.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jul 2016

Only country in the developed world where you can actually die from a medical condition because of lack of funds. I find that truly disgusting!

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
18. It wasn't even lack of funds, they just slow walked the paperwork.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jul 2016

She was finally approved for the drug to cure her hep c (Sovaldi in her case) while she was in the ICU dying of multiple organ failure after a bout of pneumonia. The drugs to treat her lungs caused further damage to her already badly damaged liver.

If she'd been approved even a few weeks faster she'd almost certainly be alive today.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
8. that 250K is from 2002 its up to 750K now and over 1 million at a top 10 clinic
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.flymedi.com/guide/how-much-does-a-liver-transplant-cost/

and thats just the operation. Not counting a lifetime on antirejection drugs, and not counting the years of constant medical appt and drugs leading up to it.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
12. Yeah. Going through it with my parents.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jul 2016

Mom died of liver failure in April after a bout of pneumonia, but it looks like we have a good shot at saving my dad. He's had his Hep C treated (he was in a trial) but now he needs a transplant due to liver cancer. They caught it small, it's responded well to treatment, he's got a really good shot. I'm going to be his donor if the paperwork all gets moved in time.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
14. Thank God they discovered that a living person can survive
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jul 2016

on part of a liver...I bet you are thrilled you can be a donor.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
17. I am. We're in the worst region of the country for liver transplant wait times,
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jul 2016

and my dad has the worst possible blood type.

One of the reasons we decided to do live donation (aside from being at a really excellent transplant center with a good record of donor outcomes) is that it frees up a cadaver liver for somebody else. There aren't enough to go around and people die waiting. If my dad gets a healthy liver and somebody else moves up the list into his slot, that's almost like saving two lives.

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