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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:53 PM Jun 2012

Why Is Pension Envy OK But "Class Warefare" Isn't? - Digby/Hullaballoo

Why is pension envy OK but "class warefare" isn't?
by David Atkins - Digby/Hullaballoo

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It's called pension envy: the resentment that non-union employees often feel toward workers with good union pensions and benefits. As the results of the Wisconsin recall and ballot initiatives in San Jose and San Diego show, pension envy is not a phenomenon limited to the right. As a small business owner without unemployment benefits or even much in the way of retirement savings to fall back on should things go south, I myself feel it from time to time. Digby wrote an excellent and lengthy piece earlier today about pension envy and the way the Right has managed to marginalize the union movement in the United States while keeping Americans fighting one another for scraps.

But the puzzling phenomenon in all of this is the fact that pension envy is supposedly widespread, justified and politically acceptable, but resentment of the ludicrously wealthy who have stolen the nation's wealth from its workers is not. Someone who is upset over teachers' vacation and retirement pay should be a hundred times as angry at the ludicrous salaries of Wall Street executives skimming off the corporate profits that should be going to better private sector wages. There are a few probable explanations for it beyond simply the hostile conservative rhetoric that plays well with their base.

The first is that they're not mutually exclusive occurrences. The partisan divide may suggest that people would be either upset by pension envy or by radical income inequality, but not both. But polling on income inequality and the results of recent elections involving public union pensions suggests that there is a lot of both simultaneously. The difference is that few politicians dare to put initiatives on the ballot or pass laws that seriously impact the incomes of the top 1%, and that corporate cash is able to overwhelm union money in most cases where the two are comparably tested. It's also important to remember that unions themselves are not monolithic: many union members are Republicans, and there is a significant divide between public sector and private sector labor. Those factors combined to cause 38% of union households to vote against the recall. There is even some pension envy within the labor movement itself.

Another theory is...

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More: http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/why-is-pension-envy-ok-but-class.html




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Why Is Pension Envy OK But "Class Warefare" Isn't? - Digby/Hullaballoo (Original Post) WillyT Jun 2012 OP
I've been hoping someone would write about this. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2012 #1
It's like that old Soviet joke... SunSeeker Jun 2012 #2
"I don't have to worry about the working class" MattBaggins Jun 2012 #3
What people ignore is the fact that pensions are deferred pay. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #4

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
1. I've been hoping someone would write about this.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:05 PM
Jun 2012

It's the 1%'s "let's you and him fight" strategy.

SunSeeker

(58,274 posts)
2. It's like that old Soviet joke...
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:27 PM
Jun 2012

where a peasant says, "My neighbor has a cow and I have none, I want his cow to die."

MattBaggins

(7,948 posts)
3. "I don't have to worry about the working class"
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 01:04 AM
Jun 2012

"I can hire one half to kill the other half."

We have been brainwashed to react like slathering dogs to the word communist, so now they can just whisper that word and Americans blindly follow. It is beyond belief that Americans will defend to the teeth the robber barons picking their back pockets and will turn and blame their neighbors instead.

Fucking Stupid. I have friends where it takes every ounce of my strength not to throttle them for being so dumb.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
4. What people ignore is the fact that pensions are deferred pay.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 02:33 AM
Jun 2012

If you own your own business, you need to save a certain percent of your income for your own pension, and you need to pay employees enough so that they can save.

That is hard to do in this economy, but everyone theoretically has the opportunity to save a bit while they work. That's what the pension system is about.

We should be more concerned about protecting Social Security than we are about who has a pension and who doesn't.

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