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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:49 PM Jul 2016

Yes, I'm Beating A Dead Horse But...

It is what it is. Plagiarism that is -- is what it is.

There are too many students on the collegiate level that are expelled, removed and otherwise kicked out of Associate's, Bachelor's, Master's and Doctorate programs due to plagiarism. Is it right? Sure it is went one can Google Search a plagiarism checker in less than 10 sections.

The problems with Melania Trump's speech are many.

First, she stole at least 26 words and nearly complete paragraphs that were obviously someone else's written work.

Second, this Woman seeks (although it's likely NOT to happen) to be First Lady of the United States. A position held in honor and virtue. How can she be held in neither plagiarizing another First Lady, Michelle Obama's Speech?

Next is the issue of White Women Excuses.

Yes, it was written and meant in every light it was written "White Women Excuses".

If Michelle Obama did this to Nancy Reagan or Hillary Clinton in 2008, 2012 or anytime since coming on the Political Scene in Chicago, Illinois - that would have been the END of her husband's Presidential aspirations. Period. Done. It would have been OVER.

However, due to White Women Excuses,Melania Trump can, did and will likely get completely away with what was done. Equally, IF Michelle Obama did a similar action - Michelle and Barack would have been done.

What is up with that?

Why do we as a society repeatedly allow this?

Furthermore, Michelle Obama is a Harvard Educated Attorney. Top of her high school class. Near the top of her Harvard Undergrad and Graduate level education pursuits.

Meanwhile, Melania -- Let's Be Honest.

She married a man for money, was a "spokesmodel who not only lied about "lifting" a speech but equally lied about ever graduating from any University, College or Certificate Program - anywhere. Even a mail-in degree program.

The double standards are beyond belief.

Especially for African-American Women who like Michelle Obama earned collegiate level degrees. Who have to repeatedly deal with the faux "double standard" not matter how much achieved - with "White Women Excuses" for their faults.

Sadly, tomorrow Melania's Plagiarism will be shoved back under the rug.

However, Michelle Obama, Minority Students in Colleges across America and African-American Women in general will still be held to the same "White Women Excuses" that allow individuals like Ms. Trump to get away with, whatever.

#Truth

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Yes, I'm Beating A Dead Horse But... (Original Post) LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 OP
that would make you a sadistic, sodomitic necrophile, don't you know. Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #1
On Fox and Friends they said today that Melania worked harder than Michelle to get ahead! kimbutgar Jul 2016 #2
Yep.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #4
Well, sleeping with the Donald can't be easy now, can it? Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #14
I just think I threw up in my mouth picturing that..... kimbutgar Jul 2016 #18
Oh my..she knows FIVE languages and I bet she can arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #38
She lied about writing the speech lapfog_1 Jul 2016 #3
Flat Out Lied... LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #5
She lied about having a degree also. The_Casual_Observer Jul 2016 #6
Not One Bit... LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #22
Zaza thinks she's above it all. Zaza is a supermodel afteralll. The_Casual_Observer Jul 2016 #25
No. a la izquierda Jul 2016 #7
Yes, They Are. LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #9
I have taught at three universities. a la izquierda Jul 2016 #12
You're probably right gratuitous Jul 2016 #20
Spare Me Your BS... LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #23
You can't read. Clearly. a la izquierda Jul 2016 #36
They are not known for their thinking prowess. Seriously. randome Jul 2016 #8
They Knew It... LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #10
In the time it took to nurse that kind of thought, she could have written down some random words. randome Jul 2016 #16
Agree They knew what they did .... Kathy M Jul 2016 #40
Well, first she had to know the meaning of plagiarized. GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #11
Well she speaks five languages.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #24
She got trolled by her speechwriter maxsolomon Jul 2016 #13
We don't... LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #26
I remember having to turn in all my papers... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #15
Agreed... LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #27
Good god yes yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #30
I know, right? tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #31
That is super. Kids need to know how to research and source material yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #34
And her speech should have been a thousand times easier to write than any grad paper... Phentex Jul 2016 #32
The scary part is that she has no personal anecdotes, so she had to steal Michelle's. tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #33
He definitely isn't a family man yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #35
I use it, even for my grad students. nt a la izquierda Jul 2016 #37
Agree, the talking heads would be treestar Jul 2016 #17
Most Definitely They Would.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #28
Great post malaise Jul 2016 #19
hurry....vaccinate her. she's got the Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #21
Thanks! LovingA2andMI Jul 2016 #29
I totally agree with you, there really is a fecking double standard! arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #39
 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
1. that would make you a sadistic, sodomitic necrophile, don't you know.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

apologies to woody allen from What's Up, Tiger Lily?

kimbutgar

(21,060 posts)
2. On Fox and Friends they said today that Melania worked harder than Michelle to get ahead!
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jul 2016

Per Media Matters:

But Several Right-Wing Media Figures Bend Over Backwards To Defend Speech

Fox’s Kilmeade: Plagiarism Was OK Because It “Actually Applies To Her Life.” Fox co-host Brian Kilmeade claimed the plagiarism was acceptable because the speech “actually applies to her life.” From the July 19 edition of Fox News’ Fox and Friends:

AINSLEY EARHARDT (CO-HOST): I think [Melania Trump] represents women very well. She's poised. She's polished. She represents the American dream. She teaches. She talks about teaching her son Barron the same values that we all grew up with, working hard. Here's a lady who's not from this country, and she could become the first lady of the United States of America. If that's not the American dream, I don't know what it is.

STEVE DOOCY (CO-HOST): Well put.

BRIAN KILMEADE (CO-HOST): She knows five languages, this is just one of them. So she comes out. She reads this speech and she goes abroad and brings things up we would not know about Donald Trump, what kind of father he is. Talks about how he does not judge people by their religion, does not judge people by their background and how much money they make and how patriotic he is. I think it’s great. A lot of people are pointing to the fact that there are some passages that are similar to Michelle Obama. And I’m astounded to -- you know, we have to go to bed at some point. And this is on at late. I’m astounded to wake up and everybody’s talking about, "Well well she plagiarized some parts of the speech. It's exactly like Michelle Obama in 2008." So, you read them, and they are very similar. And you know, the speechwriter who crafted this together has got people to answer to.

DOOCY: Well she said she wrote it herself.

KILMEADE: But the other thing, Steve -- but I will say this, Steve, it actually applies to her life. It talks about her parents and the values and the values she wants to put to her kids. I got a chance to talk to her off-camera. We go to all those Apprentice finales and we have a good time. And all she talks about is her kids. And we met her parents, and that's all they talk about. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 7/19/16]

After I saw this I wanted to puke

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
7. No.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jul 2016

Students are NOT expelled nowadays in our "special snowflake" society. I know. I have had 4 plagiarism cases against students. Know how many were expelled? 0.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
9. Yes, They Are.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jul 2016

"A student found guilty of violating a college's plagiarism policies can face sanctions ranging from failure of a class to expulsion from the school. In minor instances, such as copying a homework assignment, instructors may simply fail you for the work. However, major plagiarism cases involving copying significant portions of papers or projects often result in referrals to college judiciary boards that make judgments and issue sanctions."

http://education.seattlepi.com/can-happen-student-found-guilty-plagiarism-1029.html

Also, are we now saying Plagiarism is A Okay because using the lean of "White Women Excuses" because Melania Trump done it?

Seeking clarity?

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
12. I have taught at three universities.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jul 2016

Two of them, major state universities and the other an elite liberal arts college. So please...spare me. Nobody will give two shits about this in a few days.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
20. You're probably right
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jul 2016

Nobody will care about this in a couple of days, but I don't mind taking the opportunity to talk about it. I think it was Melania's tribute to her birth and upbringing in a Communist country (as long as conservatives want to harp on President Obama, Kenya, anti-colonialism, and whatever other xenophobic bugaboos are dancing around inside their tiny skulls).

She was just following her Marxist indoctrination: From each (Michelle Obama) according to her ability (to write a speech) to each (Melania Trump) according to her need (to read a speech off a teleprompter).

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
23. Spare Me Your BS...
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jul 2016

Defending Plagiarism. PLEASE -- As there is no excuse, no matter how many or what type of Universities you "taught at"!

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
36. You can't read. Clearly.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jul 2016

If you think I'm defending plagiarism, you're delusional. I go after every student. I am telling you that universities DO NOT EXPEL students. And if you think I agree with that, well...again, you can't read.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. They are not known for their thinking prowess. Seriously.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jul 2016

So I think it may be fair to say that they truly did not know they had plagiarized. They're stupid people.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. In the time it took to nurse that kind of thought, she could have written down some random words.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jul 2016

And STILL have gotten away with it in the eyes of The Faithful.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
40. Agree They knew what they did ....
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jul 2016

maybe even on purpose ? Disrespect towards Obama 's and the uproar it would cause . Melania played her scene Monday night .......

Came across this earlier " CLEVELAND — A Democratic super PAC has filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission charging that the Trump campaign broke federal election law by using his corporation to advance his presidential campaign. "

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-conventions/democratic-pac-files-fec-complaint-over-melania-trump-s-rnc-n614131

This is inexcusable on mr and mrs T parts to do for so many reasons imo

kathy

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
13. She got trolled by her speechwriter
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jul 2016

the Rickroll is proof.

If she'd just said she had help, English is not my 1st language, the Finger of Blame would fall on the writer. Instead she foolishly claimed to have written "most" of it.

I'm at the point of feeling sorry for a gold-digging trophy wife. Weird.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
26. We don't...
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jul 2016

Not one bit. Google It, is what she should have done. Also, considering the fact she lied about graduating college ever -- this is more than just a one-time lie and copy/paste occurrence.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
15. I remember having to turn in all my papers...
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jul 2016

during my undergrad and grad through turnitin. Even though I knew that my content was properly sourced and original, those first few seconds while it was evaluating my work was excruciating.

I can't believe this happened, and I can't believe they are outright denying this crap.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
30. Good god yes
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jul 2016

Sweat pouring down my back. Feeling guilty even though I knew I quadruple checked my work. Relieved it was over and done. Ugh....memories. Lol.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
31. I know, right?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jul 2016

It is an eye opening experience, one that I have drilled into my kids' heads so they learn how to write and properly cite their papers.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
34. That is super. Kids need to know how to research and source material
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jul 2016

No getting out alive on that one. Lol.

Phentex

(16,330 posts)
32. And her speech should have been a thousand times easier to write than any grad paper...
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jul 2016

all she had to do was keep it about her background and her experience with knowing him. NOT the other more general kind of speech. You would think she would want to say something different on purpose.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
33. The scary part is that she has no personal anecdotes, so she had to steal Michelle's.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jul 2016

We know that Trump is a pig, but no personal anecdotes after 18 years? Heck, I would have had a ton after just a few years of marriage!

Just goes to show you he isn't really a family man.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
35. He definitely isn't a family man
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:22 PM
Jul 2016

They were cute objects that he might have hugged occasionally. I give 100 percent credit for the kids upbringing to the 3 wives for sure.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. Agree, the talking heads would be
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jul 2016

wondering how that reflected on Obama himself, etc. Double standards is what they do.

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