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Cyrano

(15,023 posts)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:52 PM Jul 2016

Dear Bernie supporters. Please. Stop!

We are facing a real danger to this country. And for those of you who don't grasp that danger, google, ask your great grandparents, or go read something about Germany in 1933.

Right now, we are in a greater danger than most people are willing to acknowledge or recognize. Trump is the biggest danger to this country that we've seen since WWII, (or Richard Nixon, or the "America First" hateful American pricks who tried to keep us from fighting Germany).

I know what it's like to fall in love with a candidate. As a matter of fact, look at those who have fallen in love with Trump as an example. And, no. Bernie is not Trump. He's a man that I would love to see in the White House.

But the time has come to choose a candidate. Hillary or Trump. The choice is yours.

And if you really don't see the difference between the two, I pity you. And I also pity what this country would be if we lived under a Trump Reich.

And for those of you who spit on this post for one reason or another because Bernie won't be prez, don't complain about what you will have to live with. You will have made it possible.

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Dear Bernie supporters. Please. Stop! (Original Post) Cyrano Jul 2016 OP
Queue the outrage! tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #1
"WHY?!?!!!" greiner3 Jul 2016 #93
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #130
In '08 at this time 25% of Hillary supporters swore they'd never vote Obama, Only 10% of Bernie bjobotts Jul 2016 #217
If you were the majority, wouldn't your candidate have won? BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #240
You're absolutely correct!! dicksmc3 Jul 2016 #250
Many of the die-hard "purists" won't vote for her no matter what. We saw this in 2000 with Nader kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #298
Exactly!!! KPN Jul 2016 #273
because the party still thinks killing the New Deal I'da winning strategy tk2kewl Jul 2016 #245
+1! Exactly. KPN Jul 2016 #272
For shame TallahasseeDem - you are the secret cause! - lol! kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #297
Disenfranchise Bernie supporters. tecelote Jul 2016 #150
I campaigned and voted for Sanders. Who got an idea ANY real Sanders supporter would vote for Trump? Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2016 #165
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #169
+1!!! Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #203
I could not agree more. Hillary was not my first choice for our Nominee... Raster Jul 2016 #216
Stop bashing Clinton supporters. You lost, and thats not a productive way to deal with it. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #241
Why do you have such a hard time understanding that one can think that "establishment KPN Jul 2016 #275
You can call yourselves "real Democrats" but that doesn't make it true. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #294
Your logic is wrong Craig234 Jul 2016 #295
I never said "the majority is always right." Straw man alert! BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #296
The straw man was your post Craig234 Jul 2016 #300
Nope. Not even close. The post to which I replied was trying to claim the mantle of "real Democrat" BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #305
That's ironic Craig234 Jul 2016 #312
Increasing the length of your comments doesn't make up for their hollowness. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #314
Whoosh Craig234 Jul 2016 #322
...... KPN Jul 2016 #321
You are way off base and putting words into my KPN Jul 2016 #308
You wrote "real Democrats." Here, I'll quote you: BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #309
Lol!! Way off base again. KPN Jul 2016 #320
Disenfranchise? bravenak Jul 2016 #166
It's weird to see words being used in ways that differ from the *actual* meaning of the word... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #167
Yes, very very bizarre. bravenak Jul 2016 #173
Corporatists!!!! bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #251
Oh come on Craig234 Jul 2016 #302
Yes, it's a definition completely made up bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #304
That did not answer my post n/t Craig234 Jul 2016 #311
As a Bernie supporter" who is now "with Her" this type of anti Bernie needs to STOP awake Jul 2016 #2
I agree. LuvNewcastle Jul 2016 #16
This^^! KPN Jul 2016 #278
I remember that Hillary nominated Obama at the convention and we were completely unified, pnwmom Jul 2016 #40
Have you seen this petition?? riversedge Jul 2016 #127
Idiots or RW trolls. nt pnwmom Jul 2016 #132
Oh wow, that's totally representative of everyone who supported Bernie. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #154
13 million+ voted for Bernie. 56,000 signed the petition. Craig234 Jul 2016 #248
OH TEH NOES Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #258
Amen to that tiredtoo Jul 2016 #76
I do not see anyone trying to unite, rather Bernies being told to sit down and shut up. larkrake Jul 2016 #147
Yes, well -- I agree with you, and still want Bernie to make his points and earn Akamai Jul 2016 #210
^^^This AllyCat Jul 2016 #87
that's right. barbtries Jul 2016 #110
+1!!! Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #129
A quote from Cheers' Woody Harrelson Season 7 Episode 5 chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #228
As a Hillary supporter from the beginning... I agree 100% with you. Amimnoch Jul 2016 #253
Yay!! Thank you for that! KPN Jul 2016 #280
Last I checked the Bernie supporters have no PUMA equivalent meme Pluvious Jul 2016 #293
I think they are reacting more to people who are trolling here who may not really be Bernie sup- kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #299
Voted for Bernie but I'm 100% for Clinton after seeing this mess. RAFisher Jul 2016 #3
Amen! austinlw Jul 2016 #49
Watching the repuke convention did it for me onecaliberal Jul 2016 #156
most Bernie supporters have already decided to vote for Clinton. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #4
I agree, and I am very glad to see it, but there are a number of "She's unacceptable to me" comments Squinch Jul 2016 #10
Ditto what you just said. auntpurl Jul 2016 #23
The transparent concern trolling threads are getting on my last nerve too. We don't have time for it Squinch Jul 2016 #25
I agree Andy823 Jul 2016 #79
The is an alert button and a hide function. progressoid Jul 2016 #206
Yes. And forums too. And there are latest threads and home tabs. This is a nice stroll Squinch Jul 2016 #207
And it's not just here, either. calimary Jul 2016 #142
Can't agree that Jill Stein is a zero. Sienna86 Jul 2016 #202
I actually made an attempt to hear her out. calimary Jul 2016 #211
A lot of physicians I know are pretty eccentric but they are smart. kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #307
Really? I haven't seen any. KPN Jul 2016 #282
OK. Well. I have. Squinch Jul 2016 #283
For example? KPN Jul 2016 #289
Ditto. cwydro Jul 2016 #18
And I am one of them! Chasstev365 Jul 2016 #42
There are grumblings... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #109
there'll be a few, but compare what Bernie says to what Ted Cruz just did geek tragedy Jul 2016 #153
True. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #159
A fuss at the convention will HELP Clinton. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #160
Exactly. There is no problem here. nikto Jul 2016 #232
... closeupready Jul 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2016 #12
I think your history might be a tad weak zipplewrath Jul 2016 #6
No, Donald is freaking dangerous Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #74
So was Long zipplewrath Jul 2016 #104
Thank you. I truly appreciate Sam's special abilities. mobeau69 Jul 2016 #174
Please cut the primary drama. demmiblue Jul 2016 #7
Your historical perspective is astute and prescient, thank you! I hope arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #8
Pot meet kettle. Exilednight Jul 2016 #9
Polls show 85% of Bernie's folks have already transitioned to Hillary. JaneQPublic Jul 2016 #11
Yeah, I get it. Cyrano Jul 2016 #15
Exchanges with people like that really are aggravating... JaneQPublic Jul 2016 #21
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #63
If you really get it, and this really was just a knee jerk reaction, why not delete the OP? eggplant Jul 2016 #116
BINGO!!!!! Big time! KPN Jul 2016 #284
Might be nice if you edited to indicate that. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #155
Then why address the plural? G_j Jul 2016 #191
Keep fighting that primary! Iggo Jul 2016 #13
I'm not afraid of that brainless egomaniac. arcane1 Jul 2016 #14
There are a few things Trump would have that Hitler did not BadDog40 Jul 2016 #24
He has colleagues with those qualities gollygee Jul 2016 #33
Just like they did Reagan! tonybgood Jul 2016 #249
Stop what? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #17
Stop the inevitable rightward march of the Democratic Party. Ikonoklast Jul 2016 #247
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #19
Well explained. pangaia Jul 2016 #34
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #52
"why aren't you imploring the DNC and super delegates to support Sanders" Lil Missy Jul 2016 #56
They will never get it. The denseness is amazing. Squinch Jul 2016 #86
That was a rude comment. KPN Jul 2016 #285
+1 Marr Jul 2016 #57
^^^ good post lastone Jul 2016 #59
No one cares to waste time "trying to convince people." If the shit show you have Squinch Jul 2016 #113
do you have an understanding of politics at all lastone Jul 2016 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jul 2016 #128
Forget it. If you are one of the ones holding his breath to be convinced, have at it. Squinch Jul 2016 #133
Great then we shall choose and you shall have not to say Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #138
Baloney. To grow the fuck up, you shouldn't need convincing. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #115
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #124
Such bullshit. Hillary or Trump. Not difficult. And no one owes you a hand holding. Squinch Jul 2016 #135
That question cuts the drama. eom Festivito Jul 2016 #65
LOL, lots of retreaded talking points proven wrong many times over. R B Garr Jul 2016 #71
well said. nt retrowire Jul 2016 #82
This being a perfect example of what the OP is talking about. Squinch Jul 2016 #85
You mean the ones that won't be needed at GE time, TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #20
Funny how that works, isn't it? n/t arcane1 Jul 2016 #26
I seem to remember that myself. RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #47
We're all "toast", according to some highly-placed cognoscenti, after closeupready Jul 2016 #54
No one is saying that the idiots who will not vote against Trump are needed. The OP is just asking Squinch Jul 2016 #88
Wrong. Read it again. KPN Jul 2016 #287
Hillary needs every vote she can get -- and so she shouldn't tailor her whole agenda pnwmom Jul 2016 #134
what part of "don't keep fighting the last democratic primary" is ambiguous? nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #22
+1 In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #32
You should probably self-delete. n/t demmiblue Jul 2016 #27
Stop what? I have not seen any Bernie or Bust posts here since the new rules went into merrily Jul 2016 #28
Must be a slow day. Rex Jul 2016 #31
I did a quick search of the OPs posts. merrily Jul 2016 #35
And now boredom and repetition are getting to people. arcane1 Jul 2016 #36
Bring back GD: P! merrily Jul 2016 #37
"And for those of you who spit on this post...." pangaia Jul 2016 #29
Maybe just fart in it's general direction then? bluesbassman Jul 2016 #39
Its mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! Stonepounder Jul 2016 #51
Go away... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #111
Actually, seeing how it played out, no. Not at all. Squinch Jul 2016 #119
lulz Rex Jul 2016 #30
Please stop attempting to set up liberals for the blame if Hillary loses. /nt Marr Jul 2016 #38
The "Fucking retards" of the "Professional Left" always get the blame, regardless. arcane1 Jul 2016 #61
nor mine ! ciaobaby Jul 2016 #90
+1. It's not like the Democratic Party has positioned itself as corporate shop + stop. Oh wait... FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #136
Wish I could rec this post. vintx Jul 2016 #317
Thanks! FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #323
+1 leftstreet Jul 2016 #163
We're liberals shenmue Jul 2016 #146
Somehow we don't count, though. Squinch Jul 2016 #198
our votes have to be earned. captainarizona Jul 2016 #41
If you're still on the fence after the crapfest the Republicans have just put on, you belong Squinch Jul 2016 #83
Try not to sound like Trump supporters going after Cruz supporters. Thanks. nt Xipe Totec Jul 2016 #43
K & R 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #44
Dear Cyrano, LWolf Jul 2016 #45
Dear LWolf Cyrano Jul 2016 #60
Then I'm sorry LWolf Jul 2016 #179
Gee, I thought that Bernie supporters were effectively banned RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #46
Not True. Bernie supporters have not been banned for being Bernie supporters. Lil Missy Jul 2016 #58
Is that not RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #91
No. It's called reality. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #108
Perhaps it may be your reality RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #112
Couldn't agree more Andy823 Jul 2016 #94
Clearly not. They're still pushing the same old crap. Squinch Jul 2016 #89
Then you thought incorrectly. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #96
Hillary doubters simply don't bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #48
"Hillary Doubters." Iggo Jul 2016 #66
how do you know who he is, it changes daily He is a word salad larkrake Jul 2016 #170
Progressivism is extinct if Trump wins bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #176
ridiculous, bye larkrake Jul 2016 #178
I'll vote for who I believe in GummyBearz Jul 2016 #50
Yes, please. wisteria Jul 2016 #53
Maybe cut the blackmail and try winning us over instead. MillennialDem Jul 2016 #55
I wonder if the Ted Cruz supporters are being told to stop at freeperville. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #62
The Freepers are roundly denouncing Cruz for his speech. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #168
So DU and FR LWolf Jul 2016 #182
It's something to ponder all right. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #200
Keep on push selling that used car. The gimmick isn't working yet. Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #64
Oh, look! Suddenly we're wanted and needed! TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #67
I think you are reading into what the OP said and seeing something that isn't there. Squinch Jul 2016 #125
No, that's not it at all. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #186
And yet no one is pleading for help. Go figure. Squinch Jul 2016 #197
This is fear mongering at it's best. afertal Jul 2016 #68
What "false choice" might you be talking about? Squinch Jul 2016 #149
If Trump is such a huge danger... HooptieWagon Jul 2016 #69
Way past time to give up on such nonsense. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #72
It's like the cartoon of Coyote holding onto the top of the cliff with the last fingernail Squinch Jul 2016 #98
Is that directed at the OP? Marr Jul 2016 #190
Wrong Andy823 Jul 2016 #84
+1,000,000,000 n/t RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #92
Which is a good thing. Because we didn't. We nominated the candidate that the vast majority Squinch Jul 2016 #97
But Trump himself called Bernie a loser. R B Garr Jul 2016 #103
Well, the "stronger" candidate... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #114
Sec Clinton was by far the stronger candidate in the Democratic party primaries Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #231
Sanders consistantly polled 10 points or more better than Trump. HooptieWagon Jul 2016 #235
Sanders was given a pass by the Republicans and the MSM because they knew he would never win the Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #244
Polls that far out from the GE are notoriously unreliable. annavictorious Jul 2016 #301
That's true. Her poll numbers have steadily declined in the past year. HooptieWagon Jul 2016 #303
I'm not worried, annavictorious Jul 2016 #306
We are progressive Americans before we're Sanders supporters .. we'll do the right thing. YOHABLO Jul 2016 #70
The crap never ends. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #73
as a former AVID Sanders supporter, all I can say is: VOTE BLUE IN NOVEMBER secondwind Jul 2016 #75
My grandfather got out of Germany. BigDemVoter Jul 2016 #77
Nonsense. Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #78
Oh get over yourself. Android3.14 Jul 2016 #80
a lot of us DUers heaven05 Jul 2016 #81
Four days of this hate filled convention tends to make me a little tense radical noodle Jul 2016 #95
oh save your pity and the fear mongering. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #99
K&R Grassy Knoll Jul 2016 #100
Democrats have the novel opportunity of being the Daddy party. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2016 #101
stop what? stupidicus Jul 2016 #102
Cyrano—You should have confidence in Hillary Clinton. (This thread of yours is not necessary.) CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #105
Just let's us know how many here still support dividing us up constantly. Such a sad theme on DU. Rex Jul 2016 #175
You stress history and emphasize Hitler and Nixon, but not Reagan. Interesting. appalachiablue Jul 2016 #106
Don't forget the supreme court LostinRed Jul 2016 #107
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #117
Trouble on the horizon? I think not. But FYI fear doesn't work really well with dreamers HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #118
is this really a question? CarrieLynne Jul 2016 #121
I think we must be up to about 98% of Bernie supporters agreeing with you. And that is a Squinch Jul 2016 #140
I'm also hoping for Warren. stage left Jul 2016 #145
Oh, look, a thread about Bernie and Bernie supporters. bigwillq Jul 2016 #122
I will be wearing my Bernie shirts next week greiner3 Jul 2016 #123
Stop WHAT??? Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #126
. Squinch Jul 2016 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #152
Sore winners. Iggo Jul 2016 #172
The people you are referring to can't really be called Bernie supporters Tiggeroshii Jul 2016 #131
I can only speak for myself. Delmette Jul 2016 #139
+1,000 n/t LarryNM Jul 2016 #218
I never fall in love with politicians, I am just fed up with corruption and the larkrake Jul 2016 #141
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Defeat Trump at all costs oswaldactedalone Jul 2016 #144
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #151
Agreed. The OP's assumptions are wrong AND insulting. FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #177
People who voted for Bernie are gonna support Hills in droves. Ligyron Jul 2016 #157
not larkrake Jul 2016 #162
Facepalm SHRED Jul 2016 #158
I think it's having the desired effect. Iggo Jul 2016 #161
That, and... demmiblue Jul 2016 #171
... progressoid Jul 2016 #223
... Javaman Jul 2016 #254
Running with Jill will get you no where.....fast. Historic NY Jul 2016 #164
There is still work to do... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #180
I am a Hillary supporter, and this post is condescending. StrictlyRockers Jul 2016 #181
What are you blithering about? matt819 Jul 2016 #183
I've been thinking about BREXIT a lot recently. qnr Jul 2016 #184
I still cannot wrap my head around the fact Leave won. It's going to have a hugely Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #233
I know, it still astounds me too n/t qnr Jul 2016 #291
I don't give a flying fuck about your pity. CharlotteVale Jul 2016 #185
You have it backwards, HILLARY supporters need to stop bashing & blaming ... cloudythescribbler Jul 2016 #187
I voted for Bernie in the primary. TNNurse Jul 2016 #188
I voted for & sent $ to SBS in the primary. I'm with Her now. nt Ilsa Jul 2016 #189
FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, and DOOM! RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #192
The choice is yours. AlbertCat Jul 2016 #193
This election is almost being handed to Hillary on a silver platter Calculating Jul 2016 #194
Truth. reflection Jul 2016 #286
Please Stop What? Martin Eden Jul 2016 #195
I am a Bernie supporter... bekkilyn Jul 2016 #196
Please don't call them 'Bernie Supporters' LynneSin Jul 2016 #199
You have a mistaken concept of "Bernie supporter" Jim Lane Jul 2016 #224
This is Straw Man, flame-baiting, concern trolling at its worst LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #201
Exactly. Martin Eden Jul 2016 #263
Why are you trying to stir things up... nt Raine Jul 2016 #204
Why would things change? That is all some here know how to do. Rex Jul 2016 #268
A shit-stirring, divisive post designed to continue the primary fight, which is a forum violation. ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #205
And yet here it stands ornotna Jul 2016 #213
The Hypocritical Standards are Transparent eom LarryNM Jul 2016 #220
As a Hillary supporter, let me say this: Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2016 #208
It is time for Dems to unite trixie Jul 2016 #209
Yes. Stryder Jul 2016 #212
I Don't Think Some Understand Yallow Jul 2016 #214
Most of us have come around. The rest will... Ken Burch Jul 2016 #215
Stop this nonsense, it's unnecessary. After forcing myself to watch mountain grammy Jul 2016 #219
No. woofless Jul 2016 #221
Stop what? mwooldri Jul 2016 #222
Wow. Phlem Jul 2016 #225
There's so much passive aggression in this OP I don't even know where to start. Gene Debs Jul 2016 #226
Please stop suggesting that Sanders supporters would sabotage America! Shoonra Jul 2016 #227
You need to stop! Lunabell Jul 2016 #229
"Let's you and them fight." No thanks. klook Jul 2016 #230
Most Bernie fans will bite the bullet and vote 4 Hillary, **against Trump** nikto Jul 2016 #234
Two out of three voters in my home were Bernie Supporters; both support Hillary full bore. NNadir Jul 2016 #236
It is politics, simply.. scuciti Jul 2016 #237
Hillary doesn't HAVE to do anything but beat Trump. If you're pushing a private agenda in your... NNadir Jul 2016 #243
I was hoping for an intelligent response scuciti Jul 2016 #256
yep. Phlem Jul 2016 #279
You have captured my thoughts, exactly (NT) louis c Jul 2016 #238
Exhibit A regarding .... Scuba Jul 2016 #239
Picking Tim Kaine Don Draper Jul 2016 #242
As a Bernie support, I agree with you. Craig234 Jul 2016 #246
Dear Hillary Supporters mdbl Jul 2016 #252
I prefer Bernie, but he's not running anymore MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #255
"Bernie Supporters" Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #257
INORITE?! MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #265
And what makes the complainers think these people are representative of "Bernie Supporters" Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #270
No idea. MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #271
If it's Kaine, I'm fkn done with with with the Dem Party oxymoron Jul 2016 #259
Which leaves you with Trump. Don't let the door hit you in the ass. Squinch Jul 2016 #264
Bernie who? Never heard of him. GOLGO 13 Jul 2016 #260
I do not want a dumpster in the oval office. Gol Hillary! lonestarnot Jul 2016 #261
Assumptions and incorrect generalizations about who we are and what we do jimlup Jul 2016 #262
I like how you start with the word :dear: Hiraeth Jul 2016 #266
Maybe we should round them up in camps until December? Orrex Jul 2016 #267
SSDD, if we all got along some here would have nothing to do. Rex Jul 2016 #269
Dear Cyrano. Please. Stop! shireen Jul 2016 #274
Stop what? KPN Jul 2016 #276
Fear and Loathing in Clintonville icv03985 Jul 2016 #277
My memory of the 90s is different bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #281
Thus, my naivety icv03985 Jul 2016 #288
This thread is divisive. Someone please delete oir lock it. KPN Jul 2016 #290
+100000000000000 Gorgatron Jul 2016 #292
It's support for Hillary so it ain't gonna happen. Phlem Jul 2016 #315
It's sickening that any so called "Democrat" could be so selfish to help elect a white nationalist. grossproffit Jul 2016 #310
Most Bernie Sanders Supporters already Support Clinton. nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #313
Here is a hug for you... Matt_R Jul 2016 #316
But we were told time & again, even here on DU WolverineDG Jul 2016 #318
You might enjoy this post and subthread: vintx Jul 2016 #319
I think there are agitators among those who are really dedicated. Their role is mfcorey1 Jul 2016 #324
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tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
1. Queue the outrage!
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jul 2016

The longer it goes on, the more frustrating it gets. The convention this week has proved that there is a clear choice, yet I'm reading that there are hundreds going to protest in Philly. WHY?!?!!!

Response to greiner3 (Reply #93)

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
217. In '08 at this time 25% of Hillary supporters swore they'd never vote Obama, Only 10% of Bernie
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jul 2016

supporters are making that claim so stop with the hysteria ans stop acting like Bernie supporters don't see the full picture.
Right now it's "I'm with Her"...'cause now she is with me too as she becomes more progressive and stops siding with the corporate dems or the DLC who support TPP and fracking and deregulating banks and Wall street,,,like Kaine etc.

I'M WITH HER... CAUSE NOW SHE IS WITH ME RIGHT? Seems Hillary has the biggest choice to make about standing up for the majority of the dem party...which she is doing but we want her to do more. Buat never mistake...everyone is anti Trump and Bernie supporters are very intelligent about their choices.
So stop with the hysteria. If Clinton loses it won't be because of Bernie supporters

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
240. If you were the majority, wouldn't your candidate have won?
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:38 AM
Jul 2016

This is basic logic here, after all. The real "majority of Democrats" got their candidate nominated. Clinton is already "standing up for the majority of Democrats," and we are standing with her too. You're welcome to join us, but that doesn't give you a license to make demands.

Please stop misrepresenting yourselves as the "base" or the "real Democrats." It's offensive to those of us who really are the base, and who are just as much Democrats as anyone else.

dicksmc3

(262 posts)
250. You're absolutely correct!!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jul 2016

Don't blame us Bernie supporters for the ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATIC PARTY mistakes!! If Hillary wants to earn our votes she has to earn them. I've heard that over and over this election cycle after Hillary won. Those are very true words in my opinion. Now if she is as PROGRESSIVE as she talks and looks to be, she needs a PROGRESSIVE VP. That ain't Vilsak or Kaine or Booker or anyone else who are ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS. She needs to pick Sherrod Brown or Elizabeth Warren to round out a ticket that will be UNBEATABLE!! So if Hillary loses don't blame me and the millions of others that supported Bernie. He has set the stage for an overwhelming trounce job of the Republicans this fall and all Hillary has to do is pick a good PROGRESSIVE VP, and stick to the PROGRESSIVE VALUES. Then you'll see us Bernie people back her 110%..BTW I plan on voting for her because with Trump on the other side this is the most important election in my lifetime. However many Bernie people still are undecided about Hillary and they need a cause to back her. We'll see just how PROGRESSIVE Hillary will be after next week's convention, but it really starts here with her VP pick. I hope she does the right thing and then we all can sleep a little easier....

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
298. Many of the die-hard "purists" won't vote for her no matter what. We saw this in 2000 with Nader
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jul 2016

supporters. They said there was no difference between Gore and Bush. Some still claim they made the right choice. There are just some people who have that personality type - it is impossible for them to compromise. Best to not try to reason with them because it just increases their resolve. In a political campaign, you can't afford to put a lot of effort into those types.

You are honestly better off appealing to another group that is more likely to vote for you.

Some people do not seem to grasp the fact that the concept is that the candidate needs to win, not to please people who will never vote for them.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
165. I campaigned and voted for Sanders. Who got an idea ANY real Sanders supporter would vote for Trump?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jul 2016

Racist and progressives have nothing in common. I have spoken to numerous young people, women and minorities with Bernie bumper stickers on their vehicles and every one of them intends to vote against Trump. None of us are stupid enough to write in a vote or vote for some obscure political party that never won a major election. This is not the Republican Primary, where divisiveness is rampant. It's now Clinton or bust; and most REAL Sanders supporters - not online imposters - know it!

Response to Jeffersons Ghost (Reply #165)

Raster

(20,996 posts)
216. I could not agree more. Hillary was not my first choice for our Nominee...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:02 AM
Jul 2016

...HOWEVER, Trump/Pence is UNACCEPTABLE.

Hillary Clinton has my vote!

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
241. Stop bashing Clinton supporters. You lost, and thats not a productive way to deal with it.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:40 AM
Jul 2016

"true Democrats"
"real Democrats"

Stop it with this bullshit already.

KPN

(15,587 posts)
275. Why do you have such a hard time understanding that one can think that "establishment
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jul 2016

Democrats" aren't representative of "real Democrats" in the Party's historical sense, but still vote for the Democrat on the ticket, regardless of who that is? You seem to have a problem with people voicing concern that the Party has not adequately represented the economic interests of average people over the past 30 years or so.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
294. You can call yourselves "real Democrats" but that doesn't make it true.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jul 2016

In fact, it sounds more like Tea Parties who promoted themselves as "real conservatives" despite the fact that they were clearly a temporary fringe movement.

And dissent all you want, I don't care; just don't be dishonest and pretend you speak for a majority of this party. The majority of Democrats, the actual genuine base of the party, supported Clinton, and she won. You seem to have a hard time understanding that.

And we do care about and fight for the interests of average Americans. Just because we don't use the tactics you demand doesn't give you the right to elevate yourself to some high horse from which to look down on us. After all, we're the ones doing the hard work to get Democrats elected so that they can, you know, actually govern. We don't have the luxury of whining from the sidelines like some folks do.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
295. Your logic is wrong
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

Your logic is, the majority of the party always is the "genuine base" of the party.

In other words, the majority is never wrong.

So when FDR put the Japanese American population in internment camps, there could be no argument he had violated the party's values. The majority had spoken.

When Bill Clinton appointed people like Robert Rubin, and supported centrist/conservative/third way policies, such as slashing the budget for welfare, greatly increasing sentences for especially black people, and re-regulating Wall Street - that was our values.

There was no argument to be made that anything he did might not be lined up with the party's values - the majority had spoken.

So, when Frank Rich writes in "Listen, Liberal" that the party has moved to the right and abandoned the working class, he's just wrong, because the majority has spoken.

And when it's argued that our elections get corrupted by big money, buying massive advertising and marketing, with members of Congress spending half their time on the phone fundraising, over half going to lobbying when they leave - it's all wrong.

There's no problem, all those things are the party's values, the majority spoke and that's the end of the discussion.

And that's wrong. "The majority" is not always right. It gets to set the policies, but there's a reason the minority can talk.

Even though you call arguing for better values the luxury of whining, instead of letting you have the power without any challenge.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
296. I never said "the majority is always right." Straw man alert!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jul 2016

When you argue that you're the "base" AND the "majority" AND the candidate you back subsequently loses, you're the one who is wrong.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
300. The straw man was your post
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jul 2016

You took the argument of what someone thinks is the party's real values - which are NOT always those chosen by the majority of the party - and created the straw man that the measure of what the party's real values are are whatever the majority votes for.

Your argument is nothing more than a claim the majority is always right, though you deny it.

You say now that if you claim you are the majority and your candidate loses, you're wrong, but that is a straw man when the claim isn't that the Bernie wing is "the majority".

The post you replied to is #275. Nowhere odes it say they are "the majority". That is your straw man.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
305. Nope. Not even close. The post to which I replied was trying to claim the mantle of "real Democrat"
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:26 PM
Jul 2016

That's what I was refuting. Nowhere did I say "the majority is always right." And it's sad that not only do you try to put words in someone's mouth when you come up empty in the argument department, but you continue to do it even when exposed.

Here, I'll repeat my argument, because you clearly skipped it to jump to attacking me.
The majority of Democrats, the actual genuine base of the party, supported Clinton, and she won.

What's missing? Anything on which someone could base an argument that I'm claiming that "the majority is always right."

You're going to fail at baiting me with this weak shit. Move along.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
312. That's ironic
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jul 2016

You describe what you did, not what I did quite well:

"And it's sad that not only do you try to put words in someone's mouth when you come up empty in the argument department, but you continue to do it even when exposed. "

Oh, and you do it again:

"You're going to fail at baiting me with this weak shit. Move along. "

Again and again, you attacked with nothing but the claim of the majority as your argument.

"The majority of Democrats, the actual genuine base of the party" - those are your words.

So, right off the top, you are claiming the only "genuine base" - implying the only right positions - belong to the majority.

Not a word in your post allowed for any possibility that the "real" values of Democrats might be a minority view.

Quote where your post did. It didn't.

So, let's make this clear with an example.

What are the "real Democratic Party values" on gay rights equality? Write your answer down.

For two hundred years, the majority of the Democratic Party have voted against equality.

The last few years, the majority of the party is for equality.

So, someone earlier who said the 'real values of the party' should support equality would get your post attacking them:

"And dissent all you want, I don't care; just don't be dishonest and pretend you speak for a majority of this party. The majority of Democrats, the actual genuine base of the party, supported [inequality], and it won. You seem to have a hard time understanding that. "

That's your response to anyone who says the majority of the party is not doing the right thing. You define the majority as the "genuine" party, and you say any disagreement with them is the "fringe" outside the party.

It's common for people to not even realize what they said and to be arguing for something they don't realize they are. That's quite possibly what you did.

I don't know, but I'm responding to what you said, and you are not.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
314. Increasing the length of your comments doesn't make up for their hollowness.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jul 2016

I spoke about the majority of the part on one specific subject, supporting Hillary in the primary. That's it. Where you got the rest of your bullshit, I can't tell. You're trying to make a whole lot of something out of nothing, and continually failing.

SMH

KPN

(15,587 posts)
308. You are way off base and putting words into my
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:13 PM
Jul 2016

mouth. I never said nor did anyone else ever say that we (whatever the hell we is in your mind) were the base or the majority. It's obvious that you are binomial in your thinking ... it either is or it isn't, you are either 100% with us or you are against us. Remember, you are the one who threw out terms and said Stop with the bullshit, not I or anyone else. You categorize, draw conclusions based on assumptions, and then judge ... all within a zero sum construct. Great way to win friends and influence people.


 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
309. You wrote "real Democrats." Here, I'll quote you:
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jul 2016
one can think that "establishment Democrats" aren't representative of "real Democrats" in the Party's historical sense


So don't try to pretend I'm saying you said something you didn't. Because you did.

And you weren't even the person to whom I originally replied "stop with the bullshit" in the first place. You jumped in here out of nowhere and came at me with your quote above. Now, since you can't even be honest about the facts of this conversation, I'm going to excuse myself from it so I don't have to put up with more of your antics.

KPN

(15,587 posts)
320. Lol!! Way off base again.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jul 2016

I put "real Democrats" in quotes because I took it from your post 241. You are excused now.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
166. Disenfranchise?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jul 2016

They got the same chance to vote as the rest of us did and he got his folks on the platform committee. Their concerns are not anymore important than ours. Anybody not on board against Trump is a rightwinger or too ridiculous to listen to anymore. Period.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
167. It's weird to see words being used in ways that differ from the *actual* meaning of the word...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jul 2016

... and the word "disenfranchise" is one that was tossed around a lot (incorrectly) during the primaries.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
251. Corporatists!!!!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:01 AM
Jul 2016

"the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction"

And a feature of every human society for the past two thousand years. Every social organization is corporatist, if it allows groups of human beings to organize and educate for rights and privileges.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
302. Oh come on
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jul 2016

Do you really need it explained what issues with corporatist mean?

It doesn't mean to get rid of all corporations.

It doesn't mean to return the US to an agrarian society of all farmers raising their own food.

It means when corporations have TOO MUCH POWER to gain too much good for them and bad for the public.

It means when corporations can prevent the public from limiting their polluting for profit.

It means when corporations are said by the Supreme Court they are persons for the purposes of constitutional rights, to that the people can be prevented from exercising control over them.

It means corporations get massive tax burden shifts off of themselves onto the public, for their profit, adding to our debt.

It means corporations defeat the public, on things like regulating them - for example, George Bush appointed 150 industry executives and lobbyists as the top regulators over their own industries.

It means corporations political organize through ALEC, which represents corporations and writes 30% of the laws passed by some Republican states, aimed at protecting their excesses.

A little common sense about what "corporatism" means, in a period when it's massively threatening the public and democracy.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
304. Yes, it's a definition completely made up
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jul 2016

Yes, to be honest I can guess by context what wrong definition the "corporatist" folks are using. It's like when Libertarians all got excited by the word statist. Fads!

awake

(3,226 posts)
2. As a Bernie supporter" who is now "with Her" this type of anti Bernie needs to STOP
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jul 2016

If you were not with Hillary in 2008 just ask someone who was what it felt like back then. As my mother always said you catch more flies with Honey than Vinegar

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
16. I agree.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jul 2016

What are people afraid of? Bernie isn't going to be on the ballot anywhere. All but a very few Bernie supporters are aware of the reality of the situation. If Bernie supporters want to highlight the issues Bernie stood for in his campaign, what is so bad about that?

Delegates and guests at the convention have the right to speak out and give their opinions on the issues. If some people are there to campaign for Jill Stein or a write-in Bernie campaign, that is one thing, but telling people to shut up and sit down and not allow any difference of opinion is not the way to gather support for Hillary.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
40. I remember that Hillary nominated Obama at the convention and we were completely unified,
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jul 2016

as we had been since June 8, 2008.

Bernie needs to step up to the plate.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
258. OH TEH NOES
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jul 2016

This petition has just under 60,000 signatures. The Democratic Party alone claims more than 40 million members. Let's plug that in to the Fail-A-Tron 9000 Super-Handy Demographics Calculator and... these traitorous fishmongers constitute 0.15% of the Democratic base.

Surely the bad behavior of 0.4% of the 13 million people that voted for Bernie in the primary is sufficient evidence to conclude that "Bernie Supporters" in general are doing something awful and need to stop.



 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
147. I do not see anyone trying to unite, rather Bernies being told to sit down and shut up.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jul 2016

The real problem was the choosing of the nominee before the primary even began, all dems were bushwacked and there is no cure for that mistake, it has grown only resentment and the realization that this country may have to experience Hell before people of all stripes take elections seriously.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
210. Yes, well -- I agree with you, and still want Bernie to make his points and earn
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jul 2016

additional victories for all of us -- such as related to climate change (carbon tax, anyone?), banking regulations, etc.

Still, I will vote in the general and I will vote for Hillary. But I do wish she would embrace the progressive side more.

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
110. that's right.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jul 2016

this bullying bullshit is not helpful. i was in the process of trashing the entire thread when i saw your post and just wanted to say thank you.

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
228. A quote from Cheers' Woody Harrelson Season 7 Episode 5
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 03:59 AM
Jul 2016

Sam: You know what they say: You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Woody: Maybe I shouldn't be butting in here, but you can catch the most with dead squirrels.

Pluvious

(4,278 posts)
293. Last I checked the Bernie supporters have no PUMA equivalent meme
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jul 2016

The enraptured Hilary supporters that see not one blemish nor shortcoming in "her," and slam, belittle, and purge any attempt at reasoned discourse Bernie supporters bring up ARE the problem.

They sure as heck are not the solution.

Come together, right fucking now !

Excuse my French.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
299. I think they are reacting more to people who are trolling here who may not really be Bernie sup-
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jul 2016

porters. If they really had that much respect for Bernie they would be listening to Bernie not trying to be divisive.

RAFisher

(466 posts)
3. Voted for Bernie but I'm 100% for Clinton after seeing this mess.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jul 2016

The electoral college makes 3rd parties not viable. If no one gets to 270 then Trump wins with the GOP controlled House.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. most Bernie supporters have already decided to vote for Clinton.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jul 2016

not sure what you're going on about

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
10. I agree, and I am very glad to see it, but there are a number of "She's unacceptable to me" comments
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jul 2016

popping up again in threads.

It had gotten better, but I am seeing it seeping back in.

Same names as you'd expect, but really, after watching this nightmare this week, I have no patience for it.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
23. Ditto what you just said.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jul 2016

Insidious creeping into posts again. Really don't want to hear it after watching the Nuremberg rally in Cleveland every night.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
25. The transparent concern trolling threads are getting on my last nerve too. We don't have time for it
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jul 2016

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
79. I agree
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jul 2016

It's nothing but BS when they come here and try and act concerned when all they are really doing is the same old crap, but in a way they think they won't get their post removed. Same old names, and some new ones, crossing over from that "we hate Hillary" site cause problems. I guess the "echo" chamber over there doesn't help them with their addiction of hate for Hillary.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
207. Yes. And forums too. And there are latest threads and home tabs. This is a nice stroll
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jul 2016

through the DU features.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
142. And it's not just here, either.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jul 2016

What concerns me in the "she's unacceptable to me" department - those who decide they have to vote for a ZERO like Jill Stein. Are you KIDDING me? MAN, talk about "she's unacceptable..."

But all I have to say to the Bernie supporters who've come aboard with Hillary - is -

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!

Sienna86

(2,147 posts)
202. Can't agree that Jill Stein is a zero.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jul 2016

She's a graduate of Harvard Medical School and a physician. She advocates clean energy and campaign finance reform. Come on, no need to denigrate this woman. There's room for people who hold these values in our world.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
211. I actually made an attempt to hear her out.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:32 PM
Jul 2016

Found a 14-or-so minute clip of an interview Jill Stein did with Maria Bartiromo and friends. I watched it, and was aghast, listening to Dr. Stein. Or at least trying to listen to her. All she did, throughout, was babble about how we merely need to cancel the debt, and that would magically lead us to the economy of our dreams. Simplistic as hell, never described how that would happen, never had any details, never explained how it worked, and the word salad that she did offer was utterly palin-esque. Complete with the occasional giggle and chuckle punctuating her assertions. Sienna86, I almost literally started getting dizzy trying to make sense of what she was saying. My eyes started crossing. Bartiromo and friends had trouble making sense of it, too.

I kept thinking - THIS is a Harvard MD? She made no sense. None. She did not do herself proud.

My takeaway was that this was NO well-equipped or seriously-considered candidate for the biggest, hardest, and most complicated job in the world. I figure she's undoubtedly a good doctor, who, with that Harvard degree, would certainly be worth one's trust as one's doctor. Ben Carson certainly has earned that respect, as a neurosurgeon. Her credentials suggested giving her some serious and fair consideration, especially since her name does come up every now and then during this campaign season. But I've gotta tell you - I heard enough from her not to want to trust her with any political, national, or international affairs. She sounded exactly like someone who's in WAY over his/her head. Agonizingly so. Btw - my own doctor is terrific. I like and respect her a lot, and I have great and continuing confidence in her. She's the doctor to whom I took my kids - from the time they were born, onward into adulthood. But I sure don't regard her as suitable to run for President. I'm sure Jill Stein can make many contributions with her skill set and her intellect and experience. But she's not suitable to run for President.

To say I was disappointed is not accurate. I was shocked. I went away shaking my head after that, and fearing that she'd accomplish nothing in November except to provide us with a 2016 version of Ralph Nader.

And, certainly, that's just me. But watching and listening to her showed me enough to make me want to run screaming into the night. Either that, or find some Dramamine or something. I felt that dizzy trying to watch and listen to her, and follow along.

KPN

(15,587 posts)
282. Really? I haven't seen any.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jul 2016

I have seen Kaine is unacceptable as a VP pick, but none saying HRC is. I feel like there's just a lot of "you are either with us 100%, or against us" underlying this OP. Seems trite and not very thoughtful.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
42. And I am one of them!
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jul 2016

I will NOT sit by and watch Trump fuck up, not just America, but the world.

I don't know why the poster thinks Bernie supporters are still holding out. Haven't seen it here in 2 weeks.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
109. There are grumblings...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:25 PM
Jul 2016

that some of his delegates are going to raise a fuss at the convention. I really hope this is false- we don't just need a win in November, we need an undeniable landslide.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
160. A fuss at the convention will HELP Clinton.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie's supporters should get all the rally permits they want. They'll find it easier to vote for Clinton in November if they've made their dissatisfaction clear in July.

It will also help her with the swing voters. The Republicans will of course be attacking her as too far to the left -- in fact, irony of ironies, they'll even say she's a socialist. (If only.) To the woolly-minded swing voters who value centrism for its own sake, believing that the truth must always be near the middle, she can paint herself as the happy medium between the actual socialists on the left and the Trump crazies on the right. The more visibility there is for the criticism of her from the left, the more she can play that card.

Response to closeupready (Reply #5)

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
6. I think your history might be a tad weak
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jul 2016

This looks far more like Huey P. Long.

This campaign will be won or lost by the candidates themselves. I'm far more concerned about the down ticket races. Even when we GOTV we have a hard time getting them to even consider the state level races.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
104. So was Long
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jul 2016

But Long was a populist, much like Trump. The fascists of the mid 20th century were not, until after they took power. Most of them could barely get elected to parliament, if at all. Long on the other hand was elected to both the Senate and Governor. We got "lucky" with Long that he was never able to challenge FDR. FDR was very worried about him at the time. Long was the guy most likely to unseat him.

arthritisR_US

(7,269 posts)
8. Your historical perspective is astute and prescient, thank you! I hope
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jul 2016

for your country that other Bernie supporters take heed.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
11. Polls show 85% of Bernie's folks have already transitioned to Hillary.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jul 2016

And the remaining holdouts are probably mostly folks who just need more time dealing with their disappointment and will come around by Election Day.

The smaller portion of the holdouts, I figure, are folks who would have been Nader and/or Green Party supporters if Bernie didn't run this time and never had any allegiance to the Democratic Party to begin with.

Our time would be better spent, not in badgering the Bernie folks, but in concentrating on making sure everyone who wants to vote for Hillary can, i.e., is registered, meets all the latest election rules, knows where to vote, has a means to get there, etc.

Cyrano

(15,023 posts)
15. Yeah, I get it.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jul 2016

This post was a knee jerk reaction to someone who doesn't get it, and probably never will.

I think the freak show in Cleveland might be enough to make the most rabid Bernie supporter vote for Hillary. I can't imagine what goes on in the minds of those who plan to sit it out.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
21. Exchanges with people like that really are aggravating...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jul 2016

...especially when there is so much at stake this election.

Response to Cyrano (Reply #15)

Pacifist Patriot

(24,647 posts)
155. Might be nice if you edited to indicate that.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:21 PM
Jul 2016

I came in at a later point and the OP doesn't reflect well on you. Your broad brush is tainted.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
14. I'm not afraid of that brainless egomaniac.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jul 2016

Comparing him to Hitler is an insult to Hitler. Hitler had thoughts, ideas, plans. Loathsome, yes, but he had a functioning brain.

Trump has none of these.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
247. Stop the inevitable rightward march of the Democratic Party.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jul 2016

Hope they like the TPP and losing their jobs, Hillary will sign it and shrug, "I had to do it, they made me!"

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Response to Post removed (Reply #19)

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
56. "why aren't you imploring the DNC and super delegates to support Sanders"
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jul 2016

Because Sanders lost. HRC got more votes. The primary is OVER.

 

lastone

(588 posts)
59. ^^^ good post
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jul 2016

Instead of bashing / banning any mention of Sanders or his supporters Clinton people should be trying to convince them to support Hillary. How this isn't evident is beyond me...

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
113. No one cares to waste time "trying to convince people." If the shit show you have
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jul 2016

witnessed this week doesn't convince you, you won't be convinced, and frankly you don't belong here.

All the OP is asking is that, if you don't support the Democratic candidate, which is the purpose if this site, then quit shitting all over threads with posts that do things like demanding to be convinced.

Trump or Hillary. Choose. No one owes you "convincing."

 

lastone

(588 posts)
120. do you have an understanding of politics at all
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jul 2016

cause that is what happens in EVERY ELECTION!

LOL - who's shitting on what now?

Response to lastone (Reply #120)

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
133. Forget it. If you are one of the ones holding his breath to be convinced, have at it.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jul 2016

Special snowflakes are special.

Response to MichiganVote (Reply #115)

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
71. LOL, lots of retreaded talking points proven wrong many times over.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jul 2016

I'm surprised that this nonsense is still allowed.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
85. This being a perfect example of what the OP is talking about.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jul 2016

Still pushing this idiotic nonsense. Sanders couldn't beat this candidate that you think is so weak. And spare me the "polled better" shit. He also won all those internet polls, didn't he? It proves nothing.

He lost. Give it up.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,163 posts)
20. You mean the ones that won't be needed at GE time,
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jul 2016

after Hillary wins the nomination? The "irrelevant" ones?

"She's got this all locked up with you, or without you Berners, was the cry.

Heh.

It seems your tune has changed a bit.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
88. No one is saying that the idiots who will not vote against Trump are needed. The OP is just asking
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

those idiots to quit coming into a site, whose purpose is the support of the Democratic candidate, and shitting all over the carpet. Those of us who support the candidate are busy and don't have time to be cleaning up aforementioned shit.

KPN

(15,587 posts)
287. Wrong. Read it again.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jul 2016

Doesn't say anything about "shitting all over" ... and quite clearly makes a fear-based case that Hillary could lose as a result of Bernie supporters. Nothing about "busy and don't have time" to counter posts.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
134. Hillary needs every vote she can get -- and so she shouldn't tailor her whole agenda
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jul 2016

to Bernie voters.

There are millions of other non-Bernie voters who preferred Hillary's policies. As it is, even Bernie acknowledges that she went very far in reaching out and moving the platform left.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. Must be a slow day.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jul 2016

Heaven forbid we have ONE day on DU where someone doesn't post a divisive thread.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
36. And now boredom and repetition are getting to people.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jul 2016

For some, it might be more fun to shit on Sanders supporters rather than promote Clinton. Just because it's a political website doesn't mean all posters are motivated by politics

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
61. The "Fucking retards" of the "Professional Left" always get the blame, regardless.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jul 2016

The election is hers to lose. If she can't beat the least-qualified candidate in all of history, it sure as hell won't be my fault.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
136. +1. It's not like the Democratic Party has positioned itself as corporate shop + stop. Oh wait...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jul 2016

they have.

I'm a Bernie supporter, but I have no qualms about voting for Hillary and will vote for her. Yeah, she's not a polished politician, she admits that herself. Also, she has a lot of negatives, and the super-majority of them are not her fault, just the 25 years of demonizing by the RW slinging lie after lie at her. Still, that's the reality. She will have to work hard to win.

On the plus side (for me), she's actually clerked during the Watergate hearings (as I remember). She comes from Chicago (Park Ridge). She is a more "old school" Democrat and I have hope for that in her. From a person I know that she babysat for way back, she was actually pretty engaged with them and a very nice person. I think she is a very good person and has this country's interests at heart. There are always many layers to a seasoned politician like her, but the core is good and the intentions are there.

Ultimately, this is hers and the Democratic Party leadership's election to lose. The fact that it appears closer than it should be is right at the feet of the greedy complacent money-grubbing corporate-leaning union trashing dimwits of the Democratic Party who have strayed pretty far off where the party really should be and have let themselves be rolled time after time so now we are at this ridiculous point in our country's history. So if the unthinkable happens and we have a President Trump, these shit for brains who's main slogan seems to be "we're less shitty than the other guy" need to go, not the people who want to bring this party back to its Jeffersonian and FDR roots; back to We the People.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
317. Wish I could rec this post.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jul 2016

Hate kicking this dumbass OP, but it's worth it to post one of these:

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
83. If you're still on the fence after the crapfest the Republicans have just put on, you belong
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

somewhere else.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
45. Dear Cyrano,
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jul 2016

Please remember that every single time you point your finger in blame at people, 3 fingers point back at you.

It's not a convincing argument to deflect blame onto those that didn't make the choice. You chose the nominee. Own that choice and the subsequent consequences.

Cyrano

(15,023 posts)
60. Dear LWolf
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jul 2016

What I find interesting is that I did a post on the hate fest in Cleveland, and that this post is getting so many more answers.

This post was a response to ...

Oh, never mind. It really doesn't matter.

All I care about is that each and every Dem votes for Hillary so we don't end up with the insane alternative.

Anyhow, with any luck, this thread will die quickly.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
179. Then I'm sorry
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jul 2016

I just kicked it by replying.

I'd suggest that this post is getting a lot of answers because the blame game is offensive.

The hate fest...I met a group of friends for breakfast and we spent a bunch of face-to-face time covering it. Sanders and Clinton supporters. We really didn't have any disagreements about how we felt about Trump or the convention. That's probably why you got fewer responses; what is there to argue about?

This post is critical of your allies. The other post, not so much.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
46. Gee, I thought that Bernie supporters were effectively banned
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jul 2016

from this site?
Makes me wonder what is going on.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
58. Not True. Bernie supporters have not been banned for being Bernie supporters.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jul 2016

Some people have been banned for being assholes, but not because they supported Sanders.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
112. Perhaps it may be your reality
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jul 2016

which could be an alternative to the actual reality. How would know the difference?

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
94. Couldn't agree more
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jul 2016

Real Democrat, Liberal, and Progressive supporters of Bernie's have already move over to support Clinton, but as you said some "assholes" are still playing their stupid little games, and those are the ones who get banned, or will get banned. I guess the echo champed over at JPR doesn't allow them to vent their hate, so they still come here to stir things up and cause problems.

bucolic_frolic

(42,678 posts)
48. Hillary doubters simply don't
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:10 PM
Jul 2016

fear a Trump presidency enough

He is Cheney on Steroids! Fracking, land grabs, Social Security, wars

What will remain? Progressives would have nothing to continue their movement

Iggo

(47,489 posts)
66. "Hillary Doubters."
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jul 2016

Good name for it.

I supported Sanders all the way and voted for him in the California Primary.

He didn't win. I wish he had, but that's the way it goes.

The one thing I DO NOT DOUBT is that Hillary Clinton will be the next President Of The United States.

The DNC should be one huge victory lap after this holy disaster of an RNC.

(In fact, I think Michelle Obama should open the festivities with "Four-score and seven years ago...oh wait...&quot

I've got no patience for sore losers, and even less patience for sore winners.

QUIT FIGHTING THE GODDAM PRIMARY!!!

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
170. how do you know who he is, it changes daily He is a word salad
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jul 2016

all we know for certain is he is a loon,carpetbagger, a racist . I think you are shouting in the theater. Progressives have shed their fears and for anyone to wag a finger at them saying vote or else is just fear mongering and that is, frankly, a turn off. Progressives are inspired by the threat of Trump to make sure another Trump never gets the chance again. but they wont settle.

We already have fracking, wars, land grabs, add legal theft, giving the keys to corporations, threats to SS and healthcare, killer cops and corrupt judges, discrimination, disenfranchisment and it all goes unpunished.

Unlike Cheney, Trump does not willfully and maliciously murder thousands. He is a crook, liar, buffoon and ill, but is not as evil as Cheney.

The movement is going to emerge the winner in politics, against all comers even if the Don gets in. It will take a cycle or two to purge the crooks. What answer do you have?

bucolic_frolic

(42,678 posts)
176. Progressivism is extinct if Trump wins
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jul 2016

There will be no national parks, America will be sold to private
corporations and foreign interests, our military will barely function,
and America will be in full retreat from its current place of world
leadership. Once all that is gone, you're not going to get it back.
You have no plan to purge the crooks, no party apparatus, no
political machine, just millennials who attend rallies in large numbers.
It takes political power, incumbency, financial smarts to win elections.
The crooks are part of the system, officeholding is a part of political
interests, organization for exploitation. Progressives seem to think
they're going to remake capitalism with all electric self-driving cars
and smart phones by stripping out the profit incentive from financial,
employment, and business arrangements. Hippies tried that. The Soviets
tried that. This is reality: no incentives, no money, no money, nothing
happens. No one will fix your car, employ you, or anything else unless
they get paid. Even worker progressive companies must turn a profit.

So don't vote. It's the Achilles heel of democracy that some vote who
don't know what they vote for, some are misled or confused, and the
ignorant make up their minds at the last minute based on emotions.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
168. The Freepers are roundly denouncing Cruz for his speech.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jul 2016

Your question got me curious so I put on my hazmat suit and dropped by FR. A sample:

Stupid is as stupid does.
Cruz only hurt himself by his idiotic performance.


Drawing this response:

Agreed, as a former and I mean former supporter, I’m done with him. He has shown it’s all about him and hung himself publicly. Fool...

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
182. So DU and FR
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jul 2016

really DO mirror each other.

I don't know that this is exactly complementary to DU.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
125. I think you are reading into what the OP said and seeing something that isn't there.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jul 2016

What the OP is clearly saying is that if you are not planning to vote for Hillary after what you have seen this week, you are not wanted or needed, and will you please just get out of the way?

Those who need to bash should take all their little buddies and go back over to JPR.

And those who need to concern troll are just making fools of themselves, because no one is fooled by it.

 

afertal

(148 posts)
68. This is fear mongering at it's best.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jul 2016

Please be rational and focus some of your fear-driven energy into fixing the system that produced this false choice. Beating on your big "D" logo and/or feeding people's fears is not the answer.

I might even agree that it is time to swallow hard and vote your conscience, but don't feed me this 'be afraid' bullshit.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
69. If Trump is such a huge danger...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jul 2016

...then it's really stupid to nominate the weaker candidate vs him.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
98. It's like the cartoon of Coyote holding onto the top of the cliff with the last fingernail
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jul 2016

before he falls.

I can't believe the delusion it must take to keep pushing this crap even now.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
84. Wrong
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jul 2016

The weaker candidate lost, the one that can win against Trump is the nominee. You need to accept that fact and get on with life.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
97. Which is a good thing. Because we didn't. We nominated the candidate that the vast majority
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jul 2016

of Democrats thought was the better candidate against him.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
103. But Trump himself called Bernie a loser.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jul 2016

He lost to Clinton, and that is exactly how Trump described him. So, the weaker candidate is not running against Trump -- thank goodness. But the primaries are over, so let's concentrate on the General now.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
114. Well, the "stronger" candidate...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jul 2016

refused to figure out while non-white people didn't care for him. As a former Sanders supporter, I really wonder why that was.

Okay, I am prepared for the landslide of 3 paragraph responses saying why class is the important issue.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
231. Sec Clinton was by far the stronger candidate in the Democratic party primaries
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:30 AM
Jul 2016

It is simply untrue to say that Sanders would have been better in the GE. The Republicans would have red-baited him into the 35-40% support level. Hillary is best for the nation, she will crush the conman Trump, plus I am so proud to vote for a woman for President.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
235. Sanders consistantly polled 10 points or more better than Trump.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:00 AM
Jul 2016

Clinton consistantly polled even or behind Trump. Sanders the stronger candidate.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
244. Sanders was given a pass by the Republicans and the MSM because they knew he would never win the
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jul 2016

nomination. If he had won, then the full onslaught of attacks from every angle would have driven his numbers down to a huge degree. People innately like the "idea" of Sanders, the ephemeral platitudes he stood for. But his tax increase levels on the middle class alone would have been pushed against him.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/29/11323770/sanders-clinton-trump-cruz-tax-plans

A middle class person making 45,000 USD would pay almost 5000 USD MORE under Sanders than Clinton.

That's a HUGE difference, and he would be shredded in the MSM, not to mention the Republicans.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
301. Polls that far out from the GE are notoriously unreliable.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jul 2016

Plus, neither the press nor the Republicans never really got tough on Sanders.

Near the end, Chris Matthews started going after Sanders hard on his taxes via surrogate Jeff Weaver. Weaver finally stopped appearing. Things were only going to get worse.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
303. That's true. Her poll numbers have steadily declined in the past year.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jul 2016

But that was predicted by many. Appears they're still on the decline.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
306. I'm not worried,
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jul 2016

but your concern is duly noted.

If it were eight years ago, I might be tempted to say "bitter, much?" but I've outgrown that tendency.

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
77. My grandfather got out of Germany.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jul 2016

His mother, my great-grandmother, did not.

What I will always remember hearing my grandfather say was, "Nobody EVER expected to see that ridiculous man become chancellor."

We ALL know what happened there, don't we?

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
78. Nonsense.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jul 2016

I am a Bernie supporter that is 100% voting for Hillary. Every Bernie supporter I have talked to is voting for Hillary.

I am sorry, but most Bernie supporters realize that the primaries are over -- I think it is time you do so as well.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
81. a lot of us DUers
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

have been referencing 1933 for some months now, even when the republican candidate for POTUS was a laughing stock. Who's laughing now? Many want to be led by this dangerous sociopath even with the Convention a huge clusterf***. Sad and scary.

You're right on.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
95. Four days of this hate filled convention tends to make me a little tense
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jul 2016

so I can understand your post. But I think most Bernie supporters will come around. Most have already and the majority of others will too. I think some will continue to say they won't, but will in the end. I'm not voting for Hillary because Trump scares me, I'm voting for Hillary because I like most of the things she stands for and I know how hard she works. I think she will be a great president. Nonetheless, Trump and the rest do scare me to death as I think he scares much of the world.

 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
99. oh save your pity and the fear mongering.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jul 2016

We are all aware of the choice we have. You need not worry. and if you were driven to post this condescending rant because of a few comments on this site, you have way too much time on your hands.
Hillary needs to take charge, run her campaign and get progressives votes by pushing progressive values.
She certainly doesn't need your lame effort at shaming Bernie supporters.
You were well are it would piss people off, that was your intent. Not a good approach.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,998 posts)
101. Democrats have the novel opportunity of being the Daddy party.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jul 2016

Dem conventions are too often disorganized . We can show how much better we are at running the country and realigning our place in the world via common needs of better wages EVERYWHERE.

The TPP holdout is that golden opportunity. Focus on that and infrastructure jobs to combat climate change. Be the adults we need to get the job done and get the jobs - period.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
175. Just let's us know how many here still support dividing us up constantly. Such a sad theme on DU.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jul 2016

So I am glad for their unintended transparency.

LostinRed

(840 posts)
107. Don't forget the supreme court
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jul 2016

If you think Hillary and Donald are the same, just remember the supreme court. If Trump is President, we will have a right-wing supreme court for the next 20 years. Even if the most liberal president and congress are elected every bill they pass will be over turned.

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
118. Trouble on the horizon? I think not. But FYI fear doesn't work really well with dreamers
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jul 2016

Dreamers dream of better things, and look past the attempts using fear to scare them into line.

Most progressives are a lot like Nelson Mandela, who said it's better to vote out of hope than it is to vote out of fear.

Stop and think what Mandela faced. His political opponents were horrible, virulent, established, torturing, murdering, militant racists.

We face no worse in Trump. Really. I don't think the case that Trump is worse than what Mandela faced can be made.

My advice to the Dems is serve up some things that people seriously desire and you'll win support.

People hate fear and it sends them under rocks.

CarrieLynne

(497 posts)
121. is this really a question?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jul 2016

Honestly - I cant imagine any of us on the Bernie left would consider that POS.....yes we wanted Bernie but OMG - I am terrified of trump...hes already screwing with our allies FFS - let alone our enemies....he will bring America down ......

more of the same(Clinton) is a much better choice to me....and Bernie did some real groundwork to push the party to the left....im comfy voting for her now....

i wish she would pick Warren tho - that would really excite us Bernie ppl

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
140. I think we must be up to about 98% of Bernie supporters agreeing with you. And that is a
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jul 2016

wonderful thing that warms my heart.

But the remaining 2% are mad and they're seeping back into threads talking about how bad Hillary is.

As you point out, none of us has time for that.

Glad to be on the same side.

stage left

(2,934 posts)
145. I'm also hoping for Warren.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jul 2016

And I was a very committed Bernie supporter. My sister feels the same and she came out for Clinton long ago. I know Warren and Clinton are both older(My age) and both women. But good is good. Right? Please Hillary, please.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
122. Oh, look, a thread about Bernie and Bernie supporters.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jul 2016

Thanks for keeping Bernie and Bernie Supporters front and center on DU! Appreciate the effort.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
123. I will be wearing my Bernie shirts next week
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:53 PM - Edit history (1)

I am in no way attempting others to vote Republican or any other party nor any write in.

What I do try to do ask how the hell do you get the gall to say my wanting Bernie to win is I see him as a 'cult of personality.

From what I've seen and read so very few of his supporters give a flying fuck about that shit.

He is the real person to bring back the country from the madness we now face.


His charisma and speechifying, is of the magnitude that is VP Gore had a modicum of such that is the alternate reality I'd want: Where is Dr Who when you really need him.

BTW, I see there's a real possibility she'll lose and again, the gall of you for blaming 'us'.

I may have this post hid for this paragraph but I can quantify in the next paragraph so this is not my opinion but the talk on nearly all media: Hillary is a flawed candidate.

Her negatives are only second to Trump in US history, Emails, all the WH 'gates', suspicious activities with their foundation, etc...

I am not saying she is guilty of any of them and she has been cleared of all but the latter.

So WTF are you blaming us when you went all out to get her nominated.

Will you state on DU, if she loses, your even minuscule possibility it was YOUR fault she lost

Response to Silver_Witch (Reply #126)

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
131. The people you are referring to can't really be called Bernie supporters
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie supports Clinton now, and most of the folks who refuse to back her are voting Stein or Johnson. Your point still holds but they are betraying his revolution by doing this and can't really be called Bernie supporters at this point...

Delmette

(522 posts)
139. I can only speak for myself.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary supporters have been telling Bernie to drop out since, what March? He stayed true to his word and his ideals and issues through the platform meetings. I totally admire him for that. I think that his supporters feel that Bernie needs to be recognized for his sincere concern for the poor, the middle class and minorities.
I may be wrong but I haven't heard or read that Hillary thanked Bernie for a issue driven, civilized primary.
Don't be surprised if the Bernie delegates ask for a roll call vote on the nomination. We just want to show the country how many people really want a more progressive government.
We do not want to be told to get in line and behave. That kind of comment sets me on edge.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
141. I never fall in love with politicians, I am just fed up with corruption and the
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jul 2016

corporate mindset, never wanted Bernie to be pres. I dont feel that the office does much. The Governors do all the damage, they are not answerable to anyone, and Congress backs them up. Congress passes or fails judges. The pres is just able to veto and nominate staff and judges, and push wars. That just isnt Bernie's thing, he is best in the Senate.

I have nothing positive to say about Hillary, so wont go there

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

oswaldactedalone

(3,489 posts)
144. Defeat Trump at all costs
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jul 2016

Regardless of your feelings about Hillary. He is dangerous and the 700 to 800 people he will place in executive branch positions will be worse. Imagine Dick Cheney as not just vice president, but at the controls of all facets of the executive branch. Trump and Christie have already said they plan to politicize every position in the executive branch including the current non-partisan "civil service" jobs.
If that's not scary enough, which reich wing maniacs will he add to the Supreme Court? Be afraid of Trump, America, be very afraid.

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
157. People who voted for Bernie are gonna support Hills in droves.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jul 2016

I know I am.

The few who feel otherwise won't amount to 2 electoral votes- tops.

The thing that bothers me is Hills should be slaughtering Der Fuhrer in the polls by 20 plus points right now and she's not.

I trust Nate tho' and think all will be well in Nov.

She'll get a bounce from Philly.

If states like Cali and NY went first in the primaries instead of friggin Iowa, etc we'd have a much more progressive country I truly believe.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
164. Running with Jill will get you no where.....fast.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jul 2016

21 0r 22 states takes millions to get on the ballots.

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
180. There is still work to do...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jul 2016

...I have confidence in Bernie - he will help convince more and more of his supporters to vote for Hillary.

StrictlyRockers

(3,854 posts)
181. I am a Hillary supporter, and this post is condescending.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jul 2016

This post makes me less likely to support Hillary enthusiastically.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
183. What are you blithering about?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jul 2016

Admins have essentially banned anti Hillary posts. As a Bernie supporter I'm fine with that. We may have issues with Hillary, and there's sure to be debate over her vp pick, but we're not stupid or self destructive. Next, stop bashing Bernie supporters. Polls have shown that Bernie supporters moving to trump is a myth, or certainly over estimated. Next, don't insult Bernie supporters by telling us what's at stake. That's just offensive.

qnr

(16,190 posts)
184. I've been thinking about BREXIT a lot recently.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jul 2016

And how many people regret their vote after the fact.

I've voted in almost every election since I was eligible in the 70's. I have always encouraged people to vote their conscience, even if the vote was likely to be 'wasted,' it was still what they believed in.

However, the level of batshit crazy displayed by the people supporting the Republican candidate and the candidate himself honestly has me terrified of what is going to happen if the vote is split enough to allow him to assume the Presidency.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
233. I still cannot wrap my head around the fact Leave won. It's going to have a hugely
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:39 AM
Jul 2016

negative impact on my partner's and my business, as we rely on easy flow of creative workers from all over the EU.

cloudythescribbler

(2,586 posts)
187. You have it backwards, HILLARY supporters need to stop bashing & blaming ...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie Sanders' supporters. I myself have been a Bernie supporter since day 1 who plans to vote for Hillary more or less for the reasons that you outlined. But the persistently condescending, moralizing, trashing tone taken towards Bernie's base, whether to tell them they aren't needed (as some Hillary supporters do) or to blame them in advance if Hillary loses is ONLY going to alienate MORE Bernie supporters while no doubt gratifying a lot of folk who never supported him in the first place.

This is the OPPOSITE of the best way to win Bernie supporters over to back Hillary (note that present conditions at DU mean that almost all those Sanderistas who will NOT vote for Hillary have gone silent or left, which makes them all the harder to reach and convince.) But if you ARE trying to win them over, this is not the way

TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
188. I voted for Bernie in the primary.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jul 2016

I will vote for Hillary in the general. She is not my first choice.

However, THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN KEEPING TRUMP FROM WINNING.

We can deal with other issues later.

If you choose not to vote you are risking a Trump victory.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
193. The choice is yours.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jul 2016

Indeed it is.

So stop telling us what to do.

If Trump should win, it will be because Hillary didn't inspire enough people to vote for her. Period.

Calculating

(2,954 posts)
194. This election is almost being handed to Hillary on a silver platter
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jul 2016

If she can't beat Trumpster there's really nobody to blame but her. Trump/Pence is an absolute joke of a ticket, and the republican party has their own division related to unhappy Cruz voters.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
286. Truth.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jul 2016

I think she wins easily, short of a meltdown in the debates (unlikely), but if she loses, it's because the party decided to run a candidate with insanely high negatives. To lose this election against a high-functioning moron like Trump would fall nowhere but in her lap. Any two DUers picked at random to be the ticket should be able to triangulate their way to 270 against Trump without breaking a sweat.

Martin Eden

(12,803 posts)
195. Please Stop What?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jul 2016

It would really help your OP if you actually cited some legitimate examples of what you think Bernie supporters are doing that prompted your post.

bekkilyn

(454 posts)
196. I am a Bernie supporter...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jul 2016

...who is unaffiliated with any political party...and I am voting for Hillary in the general election. I was really impressed with how she and Bernie worked together to incorporate things they both wanted into the Democratic platform, and I very much agree with, "Better together."

Trump must not win. Republicans up and down the line of all elections must not win. These people are more than scary. The only thing missing from the RNC right are all the Nazi flags and banners.

I also would prefer that Hillary *not* have Elizabeth Warren as the VP. We need her to remain in the senate rather than being in a less effective position.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
199. Please don't call them 'Bernie Supporters'
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:51 PM
Jul 2016

If they respected Bernie they would respect his decision to support Hillary

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
224. You have a mistaken concept of "Bernie supporter"
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:46 AM
Jul 2016

During the primaries, all too many Clinton supporters were fond of depicting the Sanders campaign as a quasi-religious cult. Voting for Bernie was equated with viewing him as the Messiah.

That was always horseshit, and particularly offensive horseshit at that.

I qualify as a Bernie supporter by virtue of having voted for him and sent him money. That doesn't mean I'll blindly follow whatever direction he gives. If he were to change his mind and urge people not to vote for Clinton, I would listen to his reasons respectfully, for he's earned that -- but I'd probably vote for her anyway.

By the same token, one can be a Bernie supporter and respectfully disagree with his endorsement. I think that voting for Stein (for example) is a mistake, but I don't excommunicate Bernie supporters (religious reference is deliberate) just because they make that choice.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,154 posts)
201. This is Straw Man, flame-baiting, concern trolling at its worst
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jul 2016

How many posts in this thread are Bernie-or-busters? How many are saying they will NOT vote for Hillary?

You are making up a problem that doesn't exist in order to foment a new flame war. Just stop it.

Martin Eden

(12,803 posts)
263. Exactly.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jul 2016

It's the kind of post that dimishes DU as a worthy venue, and it is disheartening to see it at the top of the Greatest Page.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
268. Why would things change? That is all some here know how to do.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jul 2016

It it totally pathetic and sadly expected.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
208. As a Hillary supporter, let me say this:
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jul 2016

If you live in Wyoming, South Carolina, or aother state Hillary will lose by 15+, go ahead and write in Bernie. Make your statement.

However - chicanery will be the order of the day. No blue state will be spared. So if you live in any purple to blue state PLEASE vote for Hillary.

trixie

(867 posts)
209. It is time for Dems to unite
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jul 2016

Our family has been ride or die Dems since we came to this country.

In 2008 all of us liked Obama and/or Clinton. We literally had huge discussions before the primary. The question was not if my person is not nominated I will do or not do... The question was what were the Dems of the country going to go for? The first black man or the first woman? Many of us were staunch on either one of them but knew the primary was the first step or misstep. Do we split our votes? We talked and talked and met for dinner and talked some more. The child, who was 11 years old, said that in American history it goes white men, black men, women. Out of the mouth of babes. We all voted for Obama and some with a heavy heart against Clinton. We knew we needed to get a Democrat elected to the White House.

That child is now 19 and voted in his first primary and is voting in the general election. We asked, "Who you voting for?" He replied, "Clinton was nominated". No hesitations! Was he a more likely Sanders voter? Probably. He also always tells the story of standing by each of his parents while they voted for Obama and had to show his dingy elder sister where to poke the hole.

You fight it out in the primary and put the best person WHO CAN WIN forward.

Please vote Clinton or better yet vote Democrat straight down the party line.

Stryder

(450 posts)
212. Yes.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jul 2016

If Hills can't best the worst candidate imaginable.
It will all be the fault of those Bernie or Busters.
And have nothing to do with the candidate herself.
We get it.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
214. I Don't Think Some Understand
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:50 PM
Jul 2016

Half of the people who can vote don't.

Why?

Because they know most politicians on both sides work for the 1% and don't give a damn about them, and their families. If we had a party/candidate that gave a steak to the working folks, for every steak the billionaires got, they would have something to vote for. Most of them know they will be screwed either way. To them it is why bother.

It's not about our party coming together. It is about our party fighting as hard for the less fortunate, and regular working Americans as the Republicans fight for the 1%. That my friends isn't happening. They know it, and so does everyone here. You can pretend all you want, but I truly believe (so does Michael Moore) Trump will be our next president. Centrism won't stop Trump. Saying no to (a PROMISE to veto) TPP, and a promise to fight tooth an nail to address income inequality, force companies to hire AMERICANS, and to get the money out of politics would go a long way.

Won't happen.

Our government is completely corrupt, and everyone with half a brain knows it. Pretending it isn't corrupt? A loser. I know Hillary got all the gravy train riders to help put her over the top, but is another centrist what America really needs while the ice melts, and the 1% amass more wealth and power every second of every day while the rest of us go further in debt?

I could go on.....

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
215. Most of us have come around. The rest will...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jul 2016

...especially if you stop pressuring them.

Stop refighting the primary. You won.

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
219. Stop this nonsense, it's unnecessary. After forcing myself to watch
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:11 AM
Jul 2016

45 minutes of that speech, it's sad to come to DU and see this.

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
222. Stop what?
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jul 2016

Since I'm posting here, and since many people have replied... it's pretty obvious who we want to win in Hillary vs Bankrupt Don. People who are Bernie or Bust, or Anyone but Hillary are generally not posting here anymore... or they're being diplomatically quiet.

I'm with Bernie. Barring some miracle next week, he will not be the Democratic Party nominee for President of the United States of America. Though that miracle would be nice IMO... but it ain't happening.

If I get naturalized by election day I'll vote for Hillary, since NC will be a battleground state.

My fear is that Bankrupt Don is going to be seen to be the protest vote guy for those who have had it with the establishment. We've seen it in the UK.... sensible people wouldn't have voted to leave.... but enough did. Don't underestimate the polls. Hillary polling 10 points ahead of Bankrupt Don? Treat it as if it is a close race. Polling says tied? Sorry l, Bankrupt Don has that one.

Mr. Donald J Trump is a danger to America. Obama came to us on Hope and Change. We got some change but not in the way we had hoped and not enough of it. Many people got short changed... not by Obama but by the elites in society. People in America are discontent. I don't want trumped up change.... change I believe that will screw me over. Bankrupt Don is part of the 1%. The elite. While Hillary is also part of the 1% and of the political elites... she is a far safer and sane pair of hands than Bankrupt Don. So, yes although I prefer a 99%er as President I'm not going to get one. I'm not getting a pony for Christmas.

Besides, I don't want to have Bankrupt Don as President, because he'll ban pre shredded cheese. Then he can say he made America grate again. And bad joke aside America is already great. You just got to go look for America. Once you find her, you'll see how great she is.

Shoonra

(518 posts)
227. Please stop suggesting that Sanders supporters would sabotage America!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:51 AM
Jul 2016

Please please please stop suggesting, implying, sermonizing, hinting or whatever to the effect that Bernie Sanders supporters are so mean-spirited, so short-sighted, so spiteful, and so indifferent to Sanders's own instructions on this subject that they would sabotage America by voting for Trump.

We clustered around Bernie because we love our country, and we mean to save it from the worst candidate to come down the pike in many decades. The suggestion that we would bring down America in a fit of pique rather than vote for Hillary Clinton is a lie straight from Hell.

klook

(12,134 posts)
230. "Let's you and them fight." No thanks.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:09 AM
Jul 2016

Was this posted three months ago and held up due to some software glitch?

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
234. Most Bernie fans will bite the bullet and vote 4 Hillary, **against Trump**
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:46 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:45 PM - Edit history (3)

But we also are informed enough to know that after she gets elected, Hillary might make us very sad
by doing things like supporting fracking, changing her mind back on TTP,
and following the Neocons' lead into a war with Russia.

I will confess,
after I give her my vote, if she does those above things and doesn't at least ***fight*** hard
for Progressive change
,
I, and the other Bernie-people who gave her our votes, in trust, may end up forcing a crisis for the party,
because we will threaten to leave.
I pray that does not happen.
I pray we are not betrayed by Hillary and the mainstream Party after (we help her win) the election.

The way I see it, the real crisis for the Democratic Party could be after Hillary wins the election
(assuming she does).

If the Democratic Party violates the trust given them by the millions of Bernie-folks
who voted for her, by going bigtime Neoliberal ib her direction
after the election, the big loser will be the Democratic Party.

In that case, and at that time, the Party will have to choose between
its Progressive wing and the corporatists.

That's not a threat.

It's what will happen if President Hillary does not push hard, post-election, for the Progressive agenda.
Not expecting her to win everything---Just to try sincerely HARD.

But don't worry----The above scenario will only happen if Hillary drops the Progressive ball after the election.


So it really is up to her.

NNadir

(33,368 posts)
236. Two out of three voters in my home were Bernie Supporters; both support Hillary full bore.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:12 AM
Jul 2016

They are, in order of declining Sanders enthusiasm, my son and my wife. (This was the only time in more than 30 years of marriage that we had a differing political opinion.)

The only Sanders supporter I know who's a Trumpster may be Susan Sarandon, and who cares about her?

Lay off. Sanders has come around, and so have the overwhelming number of his supporters.

scuciti

(33 posts)
237. It is politics, simply..
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:32 AM
Jul 2016

I don't think it has to do with Bernie specifically, but here is what you do not seem to get-

Hillary has to come left to get more progressive votes. That's not a bad thing. I could write a long list of left wing progressive issues from clean air/ clean water, to stopping the wars and bombing,government corruption, equal rights and Black Lives Matter. To the extent that the Clinton's speak to these issues with credibility , and in the context of rejecting corporate bribery, then they will (and should) gain progressive votes. Many progressive votes. Until then, people are withholding support.

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?? It is simply politics and it is the exercise of the fundamental right we hold as Americans.

NNadir

(33,368 posts)
243. Hillary doesn't HAVE to do anything but beat Trump. If you're pushing a private agenda in your...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:00 AM
Jul 2016

...imagination, and imagining that people won't vote for her because she's not leftist enough for your taste, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND a freaking thing about anything and are being useless.

A neo-Nazi is running for President.

Understand?.

No?

I couldn't care less. You're part of an irrelevant minority.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
279. yep.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jul 2016

Agreed. But you'll have to understand it's what some go to when they don't have facts or can't talk about a subject intelligently.

Remember arguing with Republicans? That's what is kind of reminds me of.

Don Draper

(187 posts)
242. Picking Tim Kaine
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:43 AM
Jul 2016

Who is pro right to work, pro TPP and pro wall street deregulation as her vp is not going to help win over berniecrats. It is like a big middle finger to his supporters. This isn't 2008 and apart from some of the comments I read, a huge portion of his supporters aren't going to automatically jump on the Hillary train just because she isn't trump. It's her job to woo his supporters. She can start by picking a running mate who isn't the antithesis everything berniecrats and independents think is wrong with the Democratic Party and our political system

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
246. As a Bernie support, I agree with you.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jul 2016

It's too bad so many Hillary supporters were so horrible to Bernie and his supporters.

And I don't mean you, your post is fine.

mdbl

(4,972 posts)
252. Dear Hillary Supporters
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jul 2016

Isn't that all of us now? Why did this thread title even start? Whomever supported Bernie, myself included, now only has one choice for POTUS in the next election. However, this doesn't give Hillary a free pass to become a corporate stooge, and I'll let her know that at every angle. I don't have to like her centrist-right leanings and we need to keep the pressure on her to become the best Democrat she can be. IMO, that is not trying to work across the isle any longer. That hasn't worked in 25 years. The strange people that some call republican congressmen and senators have to go. Time to get to work on the local level and clean the real weirdos out of our government starting with people like Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, Ted Crudz, Rick Allen, Jody Hice, Jackie Walorski, Peter King, Mark Sanford, Joe Wilson, Pete Sessions, Darrell Issa, Rob Bishop, Randy Weber, Kay Granger, Daniel Webster, Rich Nugent, David Jolly, Rich Nugent, ALL Congressional Reps in Oklahama, ALL Repugs in Penn - Texas and Tennessee, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz. There, we can quit fighting and get to work! Feel free to add anyone I left off. I never got to the senate, that would be another post.

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
255. I prefer Bernie, but he's not running anymore
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:19 AM
Jul 2016

and has endorsed Clinton.
She's got my vote, no problem.
Now, it's not even a "hold my nose and vote" kinda of thing. Now, it's "Keep drumpf out of the WH or we're all fucked" kind of thing.

I'm not even joking.

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
265. INORITE?!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jul 2016

I keep seeing posts complaining about all those gosh darn Bernie supporters vowing not to vote or to vote for trump.
Since Bernie endorsed Hillary, those "busters" seem to have gone the way of the PUMA's.

They've vanished.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
270. And what makes the complainers think these people are representative of "Bernie Supporters"
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jul 2016

There were more than 13-fucking-million of us.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
262. Assumptions and incorrect generalizations about who we are and what we do
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jul 2016

I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm 100% behind the Democratic nominee - Hillary Clinton.

Yes, Trump is a big danger. It seems that the democrats who continue to be upset with Bernie supporters are just feeling insecure.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
267. Maybe we should round them up in camps until December?
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:34 AM
Jul 2016

I'm on DU multiple times daily, and I haven't seen any Sanders supporters actually undermining Clinton or working against a Democratic victory in November.

What did you have in mind, exactly?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
269. SSDD, if we all got along some here would have nothing to do.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jul 2016

They might have to participate in an actual discussion. As a HRC supporter, I am very embarrassed by how some of my fellow supporters behave.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
274. Dear Cyrano. Please. Stop!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jul 2016

Stop addressing Bernie supporters like we're idiots.


The vast majority of us ARE voting for Hillary. We understand the stakes.

There will be a few crazies who will vote for Trump. But they never were real Bernie supporters to begin with.

So please, you and everyone else so inclined, STOP PICKING ON US!!!

KPN

(15,587 posts)
276. Stop what?
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

Expressing opinions? How about you give us and our views some credit and stop with the fear mongering.

icv03985

(15 posts)
277. Fear and Loathing in Clintonville
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jul 2016

Yeah, I'm going to vote for Hillary, but man she doesn't make it easy - she, along w/her namesake has shaken my affinity w/the Dem's for a long time now. I was one of those naive suckers who imagined the progressive movement had found a leader in Bill, back in the 90's - yet, after his two terms, he destroyed the welfare program for the poor; dismantled jobs for the middle class, w/his NAFTA/trade polices; and systematically laid the foundation for wall street and big money (i.e., Glass-Stegall, for one), to become endemic influence in our party. So, while it might be easy for those who have supported Hillary from the beginning, it's rather disheartening to see another Clinton - Hilary has done nothing, on her own volition, to change the tone of Bill's ideology/policies - take the same office; engendering the same failed policies, that had such a negative impact on the poor and working class families, when Bernie Sanders provided an alternative to the entrenched establishment of the old DLC. But, like I said, I'm voting for Hilary - the alternative, is NOT an option.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
281. My memory of the 90s is different
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jul 2016

I recall Bill Clinton triangulating and being fairly open about the fact that he was going to do Realpolitik instead of ideology. I don't recall Bill Clinton running as a progressive or telling progressives he was their leader.

icv03985

(15 posts)
288. Thus, my naivety
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jul 2016

That's what I was hoping for, but I don't think his polices were about "Realpoltik," either - Al From had an agenda and Bill followed through with much of those "ideas" in policy.

Gorgatron

(95 posts)
292. +100000000000000
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jul 2016

I can't believe this is the greatest thread right now.... Stuff like this is not why I come to DU. The op and the comments.

Matt_R

(456 posts)
316. Here is a hug for you...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jul 2016


WE won't vote for Trump if that is what you are implying. We need to work together to defeat the republicans this year.

WolverineDG

(22,298 posts)
318. But we were told time & again, even here on DU
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jul 2016

that you didn't need us.

Not anyone's fault but your own if a large segment of Sanders' supporters don't fall in line now. It's called "reaping what you sow."

mfcorey1

(10,997 posts)
324. I think there are agitators among those who are really dedicated. Their role is
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

to milk the dissent for all they can get and disrupt the entire convention. Since Trump is friends with the owner of the Enquirer, look for that rag to come up with some sensationalism that the media will chase like a hungry dog.

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