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Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:44 PM

 

Please rec if you want the DNC to comply with their own impartiality rule.

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Reply Please rec if you want the DNC to comply with their own impartiality rule. (Original post)
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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:48 PM

1. Those are the facts

ouch..

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:49 PM

2. The primary was already over. nt

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:31 PM

36. AKA "The ends justify the means" nt

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Response to retrowire (Reply #36)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:47 PM

182. No, thats not what that saying means. nt

 

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Response to retrowire (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:25 AM

213. What "means"... this is the 11th post I've read intimating the impartiality and no proof given

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #213)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:22 AM

235. Here's proof: We had 14 presidential candidates,

not just the one candidate the "fairness" yammerers care about.

Nine (9!) of our candidates had the debate door slammed in their face and were NEVER presented to the American public so we could evaluate our full range of choices. Yet now we're shocked, shocked I say! at proof that the DNC favored its frontrunner.

The unprincipled opportunism, mindless partisan aggression, and deep layer of hypocrisy over this issue are overwhelming.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:27 PM

163. The flood already happened so why go back and show where we need damns-logic eh?

 

It's doesn't matter that the last primary is over. It matters that we straighten out the failures of OUR DNC . No one is fighting the last primary.

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Response to bjobotts (Reply #163)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:23 AM

220. +1

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Response to bjobotts (Reply #163)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:14 PM

248. No, we need to rebuild the levee

and remove all the bad bits. The next storm is coming and its name is Donald.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:33 AM

244. The Murder is Over

So we don't punish the murderer, we no longer see it as a murder?

I don't think so--the crime was done, the deniers are still abundant, and they need to accept the wrong that was done to Sanders.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:49 PM

3. Why keep fighting the last primary?

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:55 PM

9. I'm not, I'm trying to get folks to see we need to clean up the DNC.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:56 PM

11. I disagree. IMO, you are fighting the last primary.

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:58 PM

12. Your mind-reading powers don't work.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:00 PM

14. Flag on the play...

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:03 PM

17. So you assign my motives, then complain when I point out that you're wrong. Typical.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:05 PM

18. .

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:21 PM

25. SO take the Penalty and kick the FIELD GOAL...

3 POINTS, we'll take it..and its good!!!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #25)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:22 PM

27. .

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:26 PM

30. Encroachment!!!

and Personal foul.. 15 yards after the kick off!!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:31 PM

35. .

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:32 PM

38. TOUCH DOWN RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIDERSSSS!!!!!



:p

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:41 PM

41. .

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #41)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:45 PM

45. GAME OVAH!!!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #45)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:47 PM

47. .

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #47)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:53 PM

53. Damn! You're good! I've enjoyed your powerful comebacks with a smile! eom

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #47)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:02 PM

59. Can't wait for the fall!!

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #47)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:41 PM

86. Confirming once again, that projection is the problem for the rudest folks

 

Oh, I think we all know where the bias originates.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #47)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:43 PM

170. Hey there (off-topic somewhat)

what software are you using to make those pics...?
Thanks...

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:19 PM

102. Said no one ever...

 

... or at least often...

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Response to Post removed (Reply #83)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:39 PM

84. I don't see it that way.

 

I see it as fighting the last primary.

Since that will likely be your last post, I won't welcome you to DU.

Saying you won't vote for Clinton on this site is a direct violation of the TOS you agreed to when you signed up

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #84)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:55 PM

91. Many folks disagree with your premise.

It is NOT fighting the last primary, it IS about cleaning up the DNC, which seems to be a pool of cess. When a group is so corrupted that they ignore their own charter, they damage the whole party, and possibly, the election chances of our candidate.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #91)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:55 PM

93. Many folks agree with my premise. eom

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #93)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:57 PM

94. I don't doubt you.

But you ignore and possibly anger those who do not. Why?

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #93)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:16 PM

189. On the other hand, some of us do not.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #91)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:25 AM

212. Um, no. It is still about the last primary. Don't worry about cleaning up the DNC. We will be fine.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #84)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:31 PM

128. It is NOT fighting the last Primary.

It is fighting to ensure the the NEXT Primary in 2020 is run fairly according to the Impartiality Rules written into the DNC Charter.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #128)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:32 PM

129. You are entitled to your opinion.

 

I do not share it.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:44 PM

115. Fighting the last primary

would involve trying to get Hillary's nomination overturned.

No one is trying to do that.

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #115)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:45 PM

116. Fighting the last primary also implies...

 

attempting to discredit the nominee because your chosen candidate lost.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #116)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:58 PM

119. It's mostly

people like you that are implying we are trying to discredit the chosen candidate. I'm voting for Hillary and I don't believe Hillary was in on DWS's little game. Just because we want to make sure that the DNC is not rigged doesn't mean we don't support Hillary and the OP didn't imply that either.

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #119)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:37 PM

178. Not all of Sanders' supporters are on DU

My FB feed is blowing up with people calling for DWS to be arrested and for Clinton to be disqualified from running. So even if we have a contingent of sane and rational Sanders supporters here, it is false to claim that none of his supporters are trying to discredit Clinton (whom they've taken to calling "Killary," by the way).

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Response to Orrex (Reply #178)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:19 PM

190. You can't tell me

that there aren't crazy Hillary supporters too. Some of them making all kinds of generalizations about Sanders supporters. I have read the postings of a few right here on DU.

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #190)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:05 AM

196. This Sanders Supporter Like The Rest Of The 99% Are Tired Of Being Attacked

 

For simply wanting fairness.

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Response to Yallow (Reply #196)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:56 AM

245. +1000

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Response to Yallow (Reply #196)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:20 PM

250. ^this^

 

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Response to Orrex (Reply #178)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:19 PM

249. it is false to claim that none of his supporters are trying to discredit Clinton

 

Some might. A minority for sure.

Just like I can say "Clinton supporters ignore transgressions and don't care about fairness"....but that would be false because only SOME Clinton supporters ignore transgressions....

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #249)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:21 PM

251. I haven't claimed "that none of his supporters are trying to discredit Clinton"

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:22 PM

161. The last primary serves to show the example of what needs to change.So it's re fighting it

 

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Response to bjobotts (Reply #161)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:26 PM

162. There is absolutely nothing that needs to change. eom

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #162)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:22 PM

252. There is absolutely nothing that needs to change.

 

This is simply not true.

These "we're perfect" notions are just embarrassing!

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:13 PM

247. you are fighting the last primary.

 

Exposing the last primary and fighting the last primary are two different things, y'know.

Insisting it doesn't happen again seems reasonable.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:14 AM

218. I agree with you-------------100%

Honk----------------for a political revolution

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:14 PM

21. The DNC is about a whole lot more

than presidential primaries. The competence and integrity of the DNC is important for all Democratic candidates and mid-terms are just two years away.

There have been a lot of problems with the way Wasserman Schultz has been running the DNC for a long time now. I can't count how many petitions there have been for her to resign. This is not new and is not a petty diversion. For me, it certainly is not about "fighting the last primary", I was undecided, leaning toward Hillary. I would have liked more debates so I could get to know the candidates better.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:15 PM

22. I see nothing wrong in anything in the DNC emails.

 

Not one thing.

People are people.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:22 PM

26. Well "people"

should be more careful what they write in DNC emails then, because a whole lot of people do see plenty wrong there. It is not like we are talking about someone's personal email account.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:24 PM

29. Nope, there was nothing wrong in any email, so no need to...

 

"be more careful what they write in DNC emails".

Not a single thing wrong with any of the emails.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:27 PM

31. I disagree

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #31)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:30 PM

34. And I disagree with you.

 

There is no common ground on this issue between us.

That pretty much ends this discussion.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #34)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:41 PM

42. Yep

Have a great Sunday!

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:31 PM

77. So you "see nothing wrong" with DNC operating in clear violation of its own charter?

 

... its legal underpinning and stated reason for existing?

My my. I guess I'm not too surprised, openly doubling-down on fraud and deception
has become par for the course in certain circles.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #77)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:32 PM

78. I see absolutely NO violation of their charter in any of the emails.

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:39 PM

111. Very white and straight of you. Those emails about Bernie's being Jewish or an atheist

 

let me know that operatives of this Party would also use LGBT status against a candidate, his 'Southern Baptist peeps' don't like us either and that email about baiting them with Sander's faith scream of privilege and let minorities know we will not have a fair shake in this Party.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #111)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:46 AM

198. And the author of those emails apologized for them.

 


Top DNC Official Apologizes for 'Insensitive' Email After Leak
by PHIL HELSEL


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The chief financial officer of the Democratic National Committee on Saturday apologized for the "insensitive" contents of an email leaked by the website WikiLeaks which appears to refer to Bernie Sanders.

The internal email from Brad Marshall was one of more than 19,000 emails from several officials in the Democratic National Committee released Friday by the website founded by Julian Assange.

An email purportedly written by Marshall in May appears to refer to Sanders, but does not name him.

The email says "ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist."

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In a Facebook post Saturday, Marshall said emails were written in the heat of the moment.

"I deeply regret that my insensitive, emotional emails would cause embarrassment to the DNC, the chairwoman, and all of the staffers who worked hard to make the primary a fair and open process," Marshall said. "The comments expressed do not reflect my beliefs nor do they reflect the beliefs of the DNC and its employees. I apologize to those I offended." "

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Sure as hell seems an admission to me of lack of impartiality.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:14 PM

70. A few flippant comments about something that NEVER happened is "plenty wrong"? And we don't...

...even know yet that the so-called "DNC emails" are even genuine or altered.

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Response to George II (Reply #70)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:54 PM

90. Other than the fact that members of the DNC are admitting to writing them

And severely tripping over themselves to apologize.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #90)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:59 PM

95. How many "members" have apologized? Funny thing, I just did a google on "DNC apology"....

....and most of the hits were right wing media outlets - first two were redstate.com and nypost.com

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Response to George II (Reply #95)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:11 PM

126. Headline: Top DNC Official Apologizes for 'Insensitive' Email After Leak

The chief financial officer of the Democratic National Committee on Saturday apologized for the "insensitive" contents of an email leaked by the website WikiLeaks which appears to refer to Bernie Sanders.


Maybe you should check your google.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/top-dnc-official-apologizes-insensitive-email-after-leak-n615606

Any other questions I can answer for you?

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #126)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:23 PM

135. Well, since you were so smugly sarcastic and dismissive I won't feel too guilty pointing this out..

...

Brad Marshall, the "DNC member" in question, is in fact NOT a "member" but a staffer.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/top-dnc-staffer-apologizes-for-email-on-sanders-religion-226072

My google works perfectly. Yours?

Now about those so-called apologetic DNC members?

By the way, if you do dig up any other "members" you might want to check here first to confirm that they really ARE members:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016

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Response to George II (Reply #135)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:29 PM

136. Since when are DNC senior staff not DNC members?

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #136)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:42 PM

137. Since forever.

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Response to George II (Reply #137)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:54 PM

139. That's some circular logic.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #139)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:11 PM

153. "Senior staff" are EMPLOYEES, not members. Ever join a health club? You're a member, the people...

....who run the place are employees.

Not "circular logic", but real world reality.

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Response to George II (Reply #153)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:09 PM

159. I've worked for the DNC while being a member. I worked for a churched while

Being a member of the church. My cousin has a membership to her health club while also being a personal trainer at said health club


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Response to Exilednight (Reply #159)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:12 PM

160. Well then, just go to the link I gave you a while back and see if that "Senior Staffer"...

...is on the DNC member list.

I'll buy you a beer if you find it.

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Response to George II (Reply #160)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:34 PM

165. That link is a list of Super Delegates. Not all members of the DNC are

Super Delegates, in fact it's a very small portion.

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Response to George II (Reply #137)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:21 AM

202. No... you can't really say that straight faced can you?

 

Teach me that please.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:48 PM

48. Nothing wrong, but they're apologizing anyway. Weird.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #48)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:49 PM

49. Because assholes on the left, the right and in the media are pushing a narrative.

 

There was nothing wrong in any of the emails.

Not. A. Thing.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #49)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:33 PM

80. Yeah, impartiality is way over-rated anyway, right?



As are party rules.

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Response to KPN (Reply #80)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:27 AM

214. How were they impartial? tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #214)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:04 AM

240. Good question!

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #49)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:37 PM

144. "The left, the right, and the media".

 

My, that is compelling. It's only the left, the right, and the media that are complaining.

What do their opinions matter, compared to literally ONES of MohRokTahs who agree there's nothing wrong?

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:28 PM

107. Did someone tell you to say that?

Interesting if you actually read the emails you would see the anti-Semitism, the unfair tactics, and the corruption that they represented on behalf of Hillary Clinton... Everyone should be shocked and outraged at the DNC over this the rightwing has already ascribed this campaign as one of insiders and rigged systems out to destroy everyday Americans, do you suggest we brush this outrageous display of rigged system under the rug?

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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #107)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:32 PM

109. I didn;t see anything you claim in in those emails.

 



There was absolutely nothing wrong with them.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #109)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:37 PM

110. Here is one of them so you can actually read it.

“It might may (sic) no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist,”

Notice how this person uses Bernie Sanders religion (Jewish) as a play to get people to vote against him. You think that is OK, sort of like claiming Obama is a Muslim to get people to vote against him, you have a problem with that?


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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #110)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:41 PM

114. I see precisely zero of anything you claimed in that email.

 



There is absolutely no anti-semitism. They merely made an accurate observation that Sander's atheism will not play in sections fo the country whereas observant Jews do play as well as pious Christians.

Not one thing wrong with that email.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #114)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:59 PM

121. Really?

and the fact that is was done to try and create a false narrative (A Lie) about Bernie Sanders to affect the outcome of a Primary? You read without any context, like these are just words but you assign no context to when this was and what the intentions were... How absolutely ridiculous of you....

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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #121)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:00 PM

122. Are you completely new ot politics?????

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #122)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:05 PM

124. No but I was under the impression

that the DNC was not like the RNC... that at that level in a party you at least attempted to be impartial... but let me ask you had Bernie won and the DNC did this to Hillary are you going to honestly say you would not be upset and asking for some correction so that it never happens again?... Please try and be believable in your response, I was here in 08 when Hillary lost the nom.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #167)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:40 PM

168. You just completely misquoted the email you are referencing, making it out to be...

 

something it is not.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:41 AM

205. Of course you don't.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:29 AM

236. So.... "People are people"?

 

So - I step in line in front of you - doing so without excusing myself - and you accept that??? Shrug it off to "people are people"?

How about we play a round of Monopoly? After we get the board set up and get our playing pieces in place, I'll run my Scottie to Park Place before the first throw of the dice and explain to you that that's the way I play this game - screw the rules you stupidly want to cling to. If you're playing, just play along or just give me all the property deeds right off the bat! And no whining that I'm not being fair. When I win, you can congratulate me or go somewhere else. Comprende?

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:12 PM

65. Some will just never give up.

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Response to George II (Reply #65)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:14 PM

132. SOME of us HOPE that MANY will never give up,

and hope for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

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Response to elleng (Reply #132)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:54 PM

140. They want us to give up.

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:28 PM

74. Huh? You're okay with partiality in official acts by the DNC?

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Response to KPN (Reply #74)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:08 PM

97. What "official acts" are you talking about?

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Response to George II (Reply #97)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:42 PM

169. Shut up and do what your told.Now send us money to keep ignoring you..That way you won't be bothered

 

by our actions..

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:43 PM

87. Setting the playing field for the next primary. nt

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #87)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:44 PM

88. I don't see it that way. eom

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:09 PM

98. Debs can not be trusted to remain impartial IN THE FUTURE.

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:32 PM

143. Because getting a candidate ready for the next one is HARD WORK.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:38 PM

145. How about fighting for the next one. n/t

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:10 AM

241. Why keep posting meaningless, inflammatory dreck? nt

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:50 PM

4. somebody alerted this too, trying to put a finger on the scale here.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:52 PM

5. Especially suspicious since the post advocating for the opposite

has tons of recs & responses. Hmmmm.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:53 PM

6. And they're being recommended by the same suspects...

over and over.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:59 PM

13. Really? Someone alerted this thread? Wow.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:28 PM

106. Yes, and even though i disagree with you.

 

I was one of the votes for not a violation.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #106)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:29 PM

108. Thanks. Sad someone would alert this, but I suspect all my threads have been alerted for months now.

 

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Response to yurbud (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:08 PM

19. And someone alerted your post. n/t

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Response to Adsos Letter (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:49 PM

50. Gee, it's almost like they think I matter.

 

They've been swarming my posts for seven months now.

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Response to Adsos Letter (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:51 PM

52. for what?

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Response to yurbud (Reply #52)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:56 PM

56. it fell under "discussing how the site is run"

I said it wasn't a violation. Others apparently agreed with me.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:54 PM

7. Actions were impartial

Leaked emails about people's private thoughts and/or in jokes are immaterial.

This is the biggest mountain out of a molehill I've ever seen. It's beginning to seem like a contrived distraction from the VP rollout and imminent convention. An attempt to undercut the Democratic election process.

I'd love to see some emails suggesting coordination on this front.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:55 PM

10. This is about actions that were not impartial, not opinions.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:18 PM

23. What actions were taken?

I have seen none of the emails that mention things that were executed to interfere with the primary elections--or what was left of them. Clinton had been far ahead for some time, with no path to victory for Sanders except winning 99% of California, and the elections played out to the bitter end.

Get over it. Your guy lost. This is not a story.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:19 PM

24. This, and other stuff like this ...

 

1. The DNC’s communications director was eager to point out negative angles for Sanders stories

Luis Miranda, the national communications director for the DNC, is seen in two separate email chains briefing reporters with both Politico and the Wall Street Journal. In one email thread with Politico’s Daniel Strauss, Miranda told Strauss that he would “point out… some of the issues” with Sen. Sanders’ DNC committee appointments “off the record” with Strauss to help him write his story.


http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-leaks-9-emails/

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Response to Scuba (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:02 PM

60. After the primary was over

and Sanders' committee members were appointed. Not impressed. This is crybaby stuff.

None of the issues at your link amount to a hill of beans. Responding to Sanders campaign false allegations of "money laundering" is a completely valid issue.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:03 PM

61. That actually shows the DNC was bending over backwards for Sanders.

They let the losing candidate put his people on the platform committee, even letting him seat a non-Dem Obama-hater who went on to endorse the Green Party presidential candidate.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:47 PM

89. I saw two former DNC chairs

on television today, Howard Dean and Ed Rendell, both Hillary supporters. They both said the emails were very disturbing, hardly immaterial. They ran a tight ship.

Also "private thoughts" shouldn't be found in work emails.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #89)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:29 PM

142. I have a feeling they both had less emails to contend with during their time....

The iPhone came out 2007 and Dean was running RNC in 2009? Emails were still what you got on and sent from your computer, not your phone. But if you can send from your phone, your tablet, your watch even, and if everyone has such devices, then there this DNC had a lot more emails to contend with than prior DNC's. So I'm going to say that both of them would find it harder to run that tight ship now, and are being a bit harsh on this DNC, given (1) how messaging is taken for granted and has changed and gotten so huge it's hard to monitor everything, and (2) given that the internet has created an atmosphere where people tend to say what they think and push the "send" button a lot faster. Back just seven years ago, there was a bit more editing and thought before pushing that send button.

And there is always that problem with what the person "thinks" they're saying and what they're saying. I've heard a lot of conversations where the people *THINK* they're being fair and impartial, yet if they run it by someone from the other side, they'll hear that they're being bias. If we were all told that there rules were to be impartial, and yet here we are talking politics--talking about what issues our candidates might run into in the South or from people of color...would we *sound* impartial? Especially to those fearing bias against that candidate?

Sometimes it is bias. And sometimes, it's hard for the person saying it to tell the difference. And sometimes, it's hard for the person hearing it to tell the difference. Remember when that black woman was accused of being anti-white? Turned out she'd was telling a story of what she'd "THOUGHT" about helping a white couple who'd been bigoted towards blacks...but she did help them. Yet when that story came out--just that part of the story where she said what her first thought was...everyone rushed to fire her. Obama apologized! And that did exactly what the GOP wanted--it make it look like white people were being persecuted, not blacks.

But it wasn't the whole story. So, is that quote from one email the whole story? What was in reply to? What were the other e-mails? I don't think any democrat should be rushing to judgement here about anyone or anything.


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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:54 PM

8. DURec

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:01 PM

15. Please give up the ghost already. nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:03 PM

16. k & r! n/t

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:12 PM

20. If people thought the DNC's partiality "didn't matter"

They wouldn't be trying so hard to defend it.

Transparent rationalization is transparent.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:23 PM

28. How long has Bernie been a Democrat?

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:29 PM

33. That has what to do with this? nt

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:31 PM

37. Apparently he is still a Democrat.

He is supporting the Democratic nominee after all, as are 85% or better of his supporters.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:42 PM

43. How long have most dems been a dem?

 

As I see it most were center right until Bernie set them straight.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:41 PM

113. How many of his 13 MILLION voters do you think you don't need.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #113)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:53 PM

118. My point was there was resentment to his coming to the party late.

Justified or not, that's a fact.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #118)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:42 PM

146. He has voted with and caucused with democrats his entire career

If democrats were so against his views why did they allow him to caucus with them and why did they appoint him to a chairmanship? The ACA vote in the senate would NOT have passed without him.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #146)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:47 PM

147. Don't know I am not a honcho--for the record I like all dems

left or centrist. It is not a religion to me. Time now to move on and defeat Trump, who is a danger not only here but to the world.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #147)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:52 PM

148. I am not a "honcho" either, whatever the fuck that means.

If this had been done to Hillary everyone would not be okay with it, that's the point. Even surrogates for Hillary are calling this the disaster it is. You people are not helping her cause. This ISNT going to convince anyone to vote for the orangutan, so spare me.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #148)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:04 PM

151. 'you people' What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Your candidate didn't get enough votes. Period. That's not Hillary's fault.

Fact.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #113)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:34 PM

166. Apparently, you think all 13 million

 

are as dumb as a box of fucking rocks.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:47 PM

130. Small or big 'D' Democrat?

Reminds me of this quote: "I would never join a club that would have me as a member." Bernie for many many years has been a Democrat in all but name. There are many Democrats who are in my opinion Democrats in Name Only... DINOs. DIABN doesn't trip off the tongue very well.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #130)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:15 PM

133. +1000

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:28 PM

32. I love following rules!

Keeping the rules in order is what all the cool kids should be doing!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:37 PM

39. Just wondering?

If the good folks at the DNC had preferred Bernie and worked to exclude HRC and Bernie became the candidate, would the same people claiming that we should only look forward be comfortable with the results? I'm guessing there are plenty who might not care either way, but certainly a vocal group who'd be pissed.

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Response to shadowmayor (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:46 PM

117. I wass never an enthusiastic supporter of either candidate

although, I disliked one more than the other. No matter who benefits, tilting the scale is what gives the "the candidates their turn" (Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney) promoting mediocrity and status quo candidates.
I respect former office holders and Dems in leadership who remain neutral during primaries and hope that the DNC will return to that. Adopting the worst elements of the GOP furthers the "no difference" argument.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:40 PM

40. Yes, they did a no no

 

and there are civil lawsuits that will bring it out in the court of law. Bernie is ready to forgive and move on but the long arm of the law, civil law, will not.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:43 PM

44. K & R!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:46 PM

46. I find it interesting that most of these threads

Are started by people still flying lots of Bernie banners...

Just an observation...

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #46)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:50 PM

51. Unsurprisingly, Hillary's fan base doesn't seem to mind the rules violation.

 

Some even recced the "rec this if violating the rules is OK with you" thread.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:53 PM

54. is my observation incorrect? nt.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #54)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:56 PM

57. I don't know.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #57)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:00 PM

58. You mean you haven't read any of the other couple of dozen threads

Just like this one? I have so I can save you the trouble. They are almost exclusively started by people flying lots of Bernie flags. Make of it what you will.

It's just an observation - really!

BTW - breaking news seems to be saying DWS is out and DNC chair. I'll be honest with you - that doesn't break my heat, I've never been a big fan.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #58)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:11 PM

64. I don't pay much attention to avatars and sig lines.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #64)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:12 PM

67. Then why do you have so many of them? nt.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #67)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:13 PM

69. Because others do.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #69)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:26 PM

73. But you don't pay attention to them - right?

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Response to Scuba (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:48 PM

183. There wasn't a rules violation. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #183)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:50 PM

184. You don't believe they violated the impartiality rule?

 

Seems pretty damned obvious that they did.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #184)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:59 PM

186. Nope, and I am pretty sure they didnt.

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #186)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:00 PM

187. Yours seems to be a minority opinion, and it flies in the face of the facts.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #187)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:03 PM

188. Not really. I've seen very few folks who understand the rule accuse her of violating it.

 

Few folks with experience and who understand what that rule is about suggest she violated it.

Its mostly a perception issue that certain folks have exploited.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #188)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:20 PM

191. Sure, it's just the inability of us peons outside the beltway to understand.

 

Big words, and all that.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #191)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:20 PM

192. Sure, make it about that if it makes you feel better. nt

 

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #46)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:51 AM

231. What's your point?

 

Does it bother you that you aren't seeing more concern from Hillary supporters on how the DNC acted?

Somehow I doubt it.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:54 PM

55. Recommended--It is my sincere hope that the DNC can clean house

and have true impartiality before the next election. Shenanigans should have
no part in our party.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #55)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:09 PM

62. Respectfully - if you think internal "Party Politics" will ever disappear

You are up for a real disappointment. The same biases exist in the workplace, worship spaces, and even inside of families. Human beings will continue to be human and full of all the frailties, frustrations, and biases they have exhibited since at least the time of Machiavelli and probably before.

All any of us can really do is try to be as honest and as fair as we can be on any given day.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #62)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:10 PM

63. Yeah, so why have rules?

 

We don't need no impartiality in our party!!!

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Response to Scuba (Reply #63)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:12 PM

66. We have rules to keep us on our best behavior - imperfect as we are.

Have you never broken or bent a rule?

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #66)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:13 PM

68. I just think it's important the our party leaders follow the rules, especially the impartiality one.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #68)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:25 PM

72. No arguement there

But people will be people. I've seen a lot of fury about the "venting of frustrations" in a relatively few emails mostly sent by underlings. What I have not seen is any concrete provable facts that say the leadership specifically conspired to tilt the field in one specific direction. I know there are lots of suspicions and frustrations but as far as cold hard proveable facts - they seem to be very few and very far between. If it did happen - I wouldn't be surprised because none of us is perfect.

In addition, Bernie is a career politician that well understands how the system works. He has even used it to his advantage. There is nothing at all wrong with that. But he knows politics ain't bean bag and he knows how to navigate the system that exists. If he is ready to move on, then maybe we all should be too.

Let me just close saying I think the rules are there to keep us focused on our "better angels." The fact that we will fall short isn't a reason to abandon the rules. It's a reminder that none of us - no matter how hard we try - can really avoid our own personal biases. With luck we can look beyond them and still act in the best interest of those we would serve.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #68)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:24 PM

172. Such an authoritarian!

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #172)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:26 PM

173. LOL

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #173)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:29 PM

175. Petty, deceptive, whiners from Wikileaks have their rubes just waiting to

 

Salivate and join hands with the Trumpsters. What a bunch of suckers.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #175)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:34 PM

177. Right, 'cause no one could genuinely care if the DNC ran a fair primary.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #177)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:40 PM

179. Those emails do not back up the exaggerated claims Wikileaks is making....

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #179)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:44 PM

180. I'm not aware Wikileaks made any claims, just that they released the emails.

 

I hate that the DNC has tainted Hillary's primary win with this bullshit, but it's a self-inflicted wound.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #62)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:59 PM

120. And yet in no other context or circumstance will you hear any Democrat attempt to dismiss

 

the toxicity of such biases in the workplace. Democrats seek to legislate recourse and remedy for the injustices of such biases, we don't shrug them off as inevitable.

This Party can not exhibit a willingness to bait minority persons. This Brad with the So Baptist 'peeps' would use my being LGBT to hinder me if I ran for office, and he works for MY fucking Party and that's wrong. To describe that as merely 'internal Party politics' is obscenely self serving. He's saying we should seek out bigots and point out to them who among are rivals are in their hated minorities. It's vile.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #55)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:19 PM

127. Their "impartial" thumb is still on the scale now in important primaries

I think of how much they've fought against Grayson, a lifelong FDR Democrat, and in favor of an only recent Republican convert
for Rubio's senate seat. I believe the rule is they are supposed to favor Dem incumbents (eg. DWS herself against Tim), even when the incumbent is a DINO. But the Florida Senate situation is clearly ag the DNC charter.

The DNC's impartiality is also evident in their fight against stating TPP opposition in the platform, an opposition the overwhelming majority of Dem voters hold.

This is not a cosmetic issue. It is an issue crucial to public perception (including that of all democrats') and the integrity of our "democratic" party. If the DNC charter raises money and represents themselves as impartially acting to support dems, then they need to clean house now of those who violate that fundamental mission.

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #127)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:30 PM

195. +2, well said and concisely. nt.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:20 PM

71. Absolutely.

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:29 PM

75. KnR and...

...thanks for uncovering yet another DUer who shall never darken my door with propaganda and/or childish condescension. The ignore button has sadly become my friend lately.... it is the only way i can come here anymore.

Good to see that you are still here Scuba.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:29 PM

76. K&r

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:33 PM

79. K&R

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:34 PM

81. The defense here is stunning.

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Response to KPN (Reply #81)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:37 PM

82. Some even receding the other thread.

 

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Response to KPN (Reply #81)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:11 AM

233. Yes it is. nt

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:40 PM

85. Well, it looks like DWS was a sacrificial pawn in this game.

A few sources are reporting that she's going to be removed from her spot as chair at the convention.

Would have been nice had that happened you know... awhile ago. Better late than never I suppose. Still pretty pissed about how this whole thing played out.

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Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:59 PM

96. are people seriously okay with our party breaking its own rules?

This is really what it comes down to.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #96)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:11 PM

99. Here, from the "Greatest" page ...

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #99)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:22 PM

103. ugh i cant even. nt

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Response to retrowire (Reply #96)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:17 PM

101. Situational ethics on display.

Apparently in this event, it's all good.

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Response to Throd (Reply #101)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:23 PM

104. clearly the ends justify the means. nt

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Response to retrowire (Reply #96)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:40 AM

200. They are more interested in going after and trashing who exposed the rule breaking

than the rule breaking itself.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:17 PM

100. If you want??? A little late for that.

Impartial has not been in the vocabulary of the DNC. It seems a little late for that.
Nothing has been impartial since the beginning of the campaign.
This old timer is disgusted.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:25 PM

105. Debbie Wasserman Shultz

Should resign, before she taints our nominee with this utterly destructive scandal.

p.s. More email shit from Democrats... the jokes write themselves dontcha know !!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:39 PM

112. "National Chairperson shall serve full time" DWS had TWO full-time jobs

She is in congress and the DNC chair. No one can work two major full-time jobs. It is part of the reason for democrats losing so many elections across this country and in congress. She was not able to work the DNC full-time.

We now have proof she undermined Bernie's campaign. She has not upheld her position on two major areas.

DWS must step down. Immediately.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #112)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:10 PM

125. Excellent observation.

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:03 PM

123. R&R&R

If the Democratic Party won't follow its own rules, because of personal ambition, we're really screwed.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:54 PM

131. In my county's Dem Central Committee, we're reqiured to be impartial during primaries.

Should be the same for all party officials, all the way to the top.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:17 PM

134. A big K&R

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:44 PM

138. Rules are meaningless unless there is a way to enforce them.

In this case the emails were uncovered, but there are a lot of ways of communicating. What I would like to see to see is more power at the local level. It seems to me that the DNC and super delegate system is weighted in favor of entrenched power.i was an active union member for much of my life, and I know that union leadership simply supports and curries favor with those in power or the most likely to be in power. One of the unions I belong to actually gave money to Darryl Issa. I have no problems with elected officials being super delegates since they are democratically elected, but union bosses are not really elected democratically. These are all things to think over in the future, but for now the main job is burying the Republican Party six feet under.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:25 PM

141. Missing the point

 

I believe that charter is only meant to support democrats. Bernie was and still is an Independent. You can't be invited and they try to change the rules.

Since the primary is over we really need to stick to business Debbie is out and now the US SCOTUS is at risk.


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Response to Chitown879 (Reply #141)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:04 PM

150. that's ridiculous

 

he was granted the same rights and privileges as any other candidate and therefore had a reasonable expectation of being treated the same, I'd think as evidenced by the legal standing he no doubt had when he threatened to sue if necessary to get his stuff out from under their control.

try another lame excuse/justificatoin for their conduct eh?

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #150)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:27 AM

224. How was he treated differently?

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Response to George II (Reply #224)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:10 PM

257. get a clue

 

I didn't say a damn thing about his being treated differently

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Response to Chitown879 (Reply #141)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:29 AM

203. "Bernie was and still is an Independent." No...totally false statement

 

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Response to Nancyswidower (Reply #203)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:26 AM

223. Really?

http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do

His Senate Reelection Committee:

Name: FRIENDS OF BERNIE SANDERS
Address: PO BOX 391, BURLINGTON, VT 05402
Treasurer Name: LORA HAGGARD
Type: S - SENATE
Designation: P - PRINCIPAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE OF A CANDIDATE
Party: INDEPENDENT

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Response to Chitown879 (Reply #141)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:43 AM

206. Wrong.

Bernie was registered to run as a Democrat.

Period.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:56 PM

149. the moral high ground has less value than "winning"

 

that's why so many don't care about how the game was played in this instance.

Politics is like religion, and getting worse in terms of being a breeding ground for hypocrites.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:07 PM

152. Yet another artful way of refighting the Primary.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Reply #152)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:23 PM

155. Couldn't possibly be that anyone really cares if the DNC is fair and honest or not.

 

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Reply #152)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:43 AM

207. No.

It's not.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:22 PM

154. Abandoning religious bigotry would be good, too.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:29 PM

156. What a concept.

Or is the idea of following such a rule hopelessly naive and "darling," to use a word snidely applied to a certain campaign early on?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:31 PM

157. Recced, but we will never really see this. It is a pipe dream. n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:00 PM

158. I would like them to. I pointed out this violation of the DNC Charter ByLaws yesterday...

 

...got lots of pushback/eyes covered type of reaction:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2280287

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:33 PM

164. Do they have to be impartial with the Socialist Party too?

 

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Response to Darb (Reply #164)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:02 PM

171. What a strange response.

What does this have to do with the DNC and the Democratic candidates?

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #171)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:45 PM

181. Sanders is a Socialist....derrrrrr,

 

what else could it possibly mean?

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Response to Darb (Reply #164)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:45 AM

208. Sanders was registered to run as a Democrat.

The rules require impartiality for Democratic candidates.

Your point is worthless (and inaccurate).

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #208)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:24 AM

222. Not either.

 

Sanders jumped into the party right before he ran. Everyone else has been there a long time. Now I know you bernies want to make hay over the fact that not every Democrat, legitimate Democrat, bent over backwards to help the interloper, but who really gives a shit about your whining at this point. It is over. Wasn't even as close as Obama v. Hillary.

Bernie lost. If you want to vote for Rump, that is your right. But according to the rules of the DU, you cannot whine any longer about Bernie. So quit your whining.

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Response to Darb (Reply #222)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:28 AM

225. Yes, accusing people of "whining" is helpful.

DU is not the world, by the way.

And learn the difference between a "Socialist" and a democratic socialist. You sound like a right-winger when you inaccurately conflate like that.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #225)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:30 AM

226. Tried to help, no longer.

 

The bernies don't listen to reason. That's why they are all running around without noses, holding their own votes hostage. Geez. Brilliant.

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Response to Darb (Reply #226)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:33 AM

229. Please respond with something not silly.

I have every intention of voting for Hillary in November.

So you got that wrong.

Democratic socialist is not the same as Socialist.

You got that wrong.

Bernie is a Democrat until he isn't.

That wrong, too.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #229)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:44 AM

230. Who says I am talking about you?

 

Look at all the kooks out there in Philly, for starters, giving the media whores something to babble about. Not helpful I'd say, far more than calling them whiners on the DU.

Bernie is not a "democratic socialist", there is no such thing here in the good ol' USA except in the minds of the bernies who are trying desperately to keep from getting compared to Venezuela, or some such cowardly shit where they cannot hold tight to their convictions to socialism. And just claiming to be a Democrat does not mean that you automatically get the respect from the rank and file that have dedicated their lives to the cause. He is an interloper, at best. If he wanted to be a Democrat he could have been one all along, a liberal one. But he chose not to. That is, until he ran fro President and started demanding equal treatment. Pshaw.

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Response to Darb (Reply #230)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:13 AM

234. Good grief.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:27 PM

174. Rules are for the little people.

 

The peons must obey the rules, not enforce them.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:30 PM

176. K & R

 

n/t.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:57 PM

185. K&R

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:24 PM

193. Practice what you preach?

I see nothing wrong with that philosophy.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:17 PM

194. Retroactively!

Want a do over starting with a level playing field. Not the corrupt DNC that we've had to endure.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:34 AM

197. ...

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:33 AM

199. yes i would love to see that happen

what don't these knee jerk asshats understand. the process was Rigged you tainted the election, nothing that you or anyone from DNC says will be believed. you had to rig the game to win. And to the idiot crying the primary is over get over it. Kiss me where the sun don't shine if the process was fair and impartial we wouldn't be having this conversion. And I would have supported the winner of a fair primary. Now I question should I stay or should I go on supporting a party that is able to rig an election.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:48 AM

201. I am not going to rec anything that has to due with this....

I am sick and tired of the whole thing.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #201)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:47 AM

209. Yeah.

Would have been nice if there was nothing in the emails to make it happen.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:40 AM

204. K&R!

No Democrat was harmed in the making of this post!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 05:57 AM

210. K and R (nt)

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:20 AM

211. I do feel the Democratic Party should be impartial to all REGISTERED Democrats. That being said,

the primary is over. So what is the point of this?

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Response to Laser102 (Reply #211)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:27 AM

215. The point is the next primary, and the one after that, and in this current election ...

 

... having Hillary's primary win tainted by the bad behavior of the DNC staffers who violated the impartiality rule.

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Response to Laser102 (Reply #211)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:31 AM

227. Perhaps, the DNC's conduct of the -next- primary?

But probably not, because the myopia of most registered Dems can't see past the next election.

It can't even see that millions of habitual Dem voters don't need to be and aren't registered democrats.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:07 AM

216. K&R..

 

rules apparently don't apply (nor matter) to some..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #216)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:11 AM

217. Some people actually recced my other thread ...

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028042719

Please rec if you're OK with the DNC violating their own impartiality rule.


Other threads suggest a lot of members are OK with this. Please rec if you think such rule can be violated if it's for a good cause, or provide other justification if you feel it's OK for other reasons.




It's on the Greatest page, for crying out loud.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:21 AM

219. this is the first topic ive seen hit near 300 recs in a while

Huh, wonder why.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #219)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:23 AM

221. Apparently many DU members value honesty and fairness.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #221)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:59 AM

232. mmhmm! nt

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Response to Scuba (Reply #221)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:33 AM

243. This feels like a Bush v Gore flashback to me.

I'm seething! I have been full prepared to back Hillary or whomever won the Dem nomination. I would NEVER back a third party candidate as being too risky. But I'm livid at the feeling that they used Bush v Gore tactics and now are saying "move on" it's over. We rigged it, but it's over.

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Response to Greybnk48 (Reply #243)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:49 PM

254. exactly

the perfect attitude for a repeat of the same kind of thing

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:32 AM

228. I'm with you here.

I think a certain fan base doesn't care. Winning is everything to them, corruption or dirty tricks be damned. It would be an interesting exercise to see how they would feel if similar emails came to light for the GOP.


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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:44 AM

237. what a shocking and unreasonable request

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:47 AM

238. Rec'd, though it's a little late. n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:02 AM

239. k&r

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:30 AM

242. K & R! Impartiality and fairness is absolutely important to maintain in that position. n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:04 PM

246. Big Time Rec!!!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:46 PM

253. We need

to hold ourselves to the standards we set

we need to hold ourselves accountable

and most of all we need to learn from history

even recent history

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:17 PM

255. K&R

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:23 PM

256. K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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