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Need I say more?
Edit to add: IF she is so toxic how did she get to be Vice Chair of the DNC in the first place.
The term is up in January. So 6 months only. I want to beat Trump. This short term office would go a long way. Simple concept. Think about it that way. It is going to come up at the convention.
A short term olive branch after the VP pick and email (more on the way we hear) upset many Dems, to unify the party and keep the White House.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But we are not allowed to state that. That is why I am for Donna Brazile.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)sarae
(3,284 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)It is all over the board.
brush
(53,847 posts)PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I could live with Donna Brazile for party unity.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
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Cayenne
(480 posts)She's a veteran with a sensible aversion to war. When did the Democrats get a hankering for war with the Russians? Is this the new McCarthyism?
Mika
(17,751 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)glennward
(989 posts)demmiblue
(36,885 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Thus making her the least experienced person to run the entire DNC ever!
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)Already trained.
Lancero
(3,013 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)And you think that affords her the experience to be the head of every single democratic party in the nation??? Wow... all I have to say is WOW!
Lancero
(3,013 posts)Considering that the DNC decided to put up Donna Brazile as intrim head for the first time despite her political experience amounting to assisting Democratic presidential campaigns and heading Gores failed campaign, and time as a vice chair it's VERY hard to argue that she was experienced when she was first made intrim chair.
The only time she assisted with a campaign that actually won was with Bill, and this was in an advisory position. Heading a campaign, well see above.
Still, Tulsi's time in congress is closer to 5 years - 02-04, then 13-16. She dropped her run after her term in 04 for a military deployment, and served as aide to Senator Akaka upon returning from 06-09, before another deployment.
Still though, you didn't bother looking up the history on ANY chair before claimed 'she'd be the least experienced in history'. Just a quick glance through the names turns up quite a few who were made chair with less experience.
brush
(53,847 posts)Why would you think those are good credentials for the DNC chair?
God! Do some research.
Lancero
(3,013 posts)Their are plenty of reasons to not like her and plenty of stances that we wouldn't want in a DNC chair, but going the 'she's inexperienced' route is a load of crap.
I'd agree that some of her stances would disqualify her, but if you'd bothered reading this comment line you'd see that Firebrand isn't commenting on her political opinions but rather that 'she'd be the most inexperienced head ever'.
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"Last month she openly mocked Secretary of State John Kerry during an appearance on CNN, saying that he thinks, "if we give them [Islamic extremists] $10,000 and give them a nice place to live that somehow they're not going to be engaged in this fighting."
To Gabbard, the fact that Syria and Iraq have been through years of brutal civil war, wrecked economies and massive displacement is irrelevant; the only reason they have an extremism problem is because of Islamic theology.
But the case of Tulsi Gabbard becomes less curious and more expected once you look at her links to a different set of ethnic and religious hardliners: the Hindu nationalist Indian Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Since her election to Congress, Gabbard has tied herself closely to this party, which has a history of condoning hatred and violence against India's Muslim minority. Many of her stateside donors and supporters are also big supporters of this movement, which disdains secularism and promotes religious sectarianism."
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/curious-islamophobic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)The DNC Chair doesn't overrule the Secretary of State on Middle Eastern affairs. I apply a different set of criteria than I do in a race for Congress or the White House.
Gabbard, having risen to a prized position in the DNC hierarchy, gave it up because she was following the dictates of her conscience. Whether you agree with what her conscience told her or not, she's demonstrated that she'd be a complete change from the get-along-go-along mentality that DWS instilled and that led to the latest email disgrace. She's just what that tattered organization needs now.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Brazile will be temporary.
kcr
(15,320 posts)I don't get the love for her.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Conspiracies and right-wing memes in disguise of left-wing thought.
You might as well link to the Drudge Report.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)She is a horrible choice.
Keep Donna B. in or bring back Dean.
msongs
(67,441 posts)PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)...
rateyes
(17,438 posts)calimary
(81,466 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Nina Turner...or maybe they're equal.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...what is your understanding of the role of the DNC and what are her qualifications?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)She's not going to pick someone who worked against her in the primaries when there are plenty of other candidates more-suited for the job who also supported Hillary in the primaries.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And I wouldn't expect her to.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Dean was very effective imo.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)What qualifies her?
You want the party to ramp up hostile rhetoric toward Islam? Get rid of all those pesky gun regulations? Or is it the supply side tax cutting that you want to see the party champion?
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)Trained already!
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Is a supply sider, and thinks the Obama administration is soft on Muslims. Also a favorite of the GOP, according to the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/15/rep-tulsi-gabbard-the-democrat-that-republicans-love-and-the-dnc-cant-control/
Yeah, Debbie was just too lefty. We can't have that. Tulsi will us straight.
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)To nullify the peace treaty with Iran and get that war going. To clamp down on Muslims, and slash taxes, and ensure mere citizens don't get in the way of the all important corporate gun profits?
Or, could it be you aren't concerned at all with her position on issues or the future of the party but instead support her only because she endorsed Bernie? Does that mean the future of the party should have nothing to do with issues or ideology but be driven entirely by tribal affiliations that derive from a primary in one presidential year?
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)Gay marriage, Social Security cap, etc... Be honest!
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)You're hoping she "evolves" in the future. What evidence do you base this hope on?
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)For the good of the party.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)IF she is so toxic how did she get to be Vice Chair of the DNC in the first place. For the good of the party.
I repeat: The term is up in January. So 6 months only. I want to beat Trump. This short term office would go a long way. Simple concept. Think about it that way. It is going to come up at the convention.
A short term olive branch after the VP pick and email (more on the way we hear) to unify the party and keep the White House.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Is she not acceptable?
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)Do you think after the emails, locked doors, VP pick, etc in the last 48 hours that will be acceptable to the Bernie people in the party?
Put Tulsi in the seat till the term is up in Jan, and help win the White House.
The D party is far from united going into the convention. This would do a lot to bring unity! It's the smart play.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)That may have increased since I last read an article on it. For the Bernie or Bust crowd I don't think there's anything Hillary could do to satisfy them other than step aside for Bernie. No one would have been good enough for VP. Even Warren, she would have been called a sell out or worse - just like after she endorsed Hillary.
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)Hillary needs I's to win too. I'm thinking of her high resistance #'s consistently in polls..
kwassa
(23,340 posts)You believe, without proof of any kind, that she will change those views and "evolve" into sensible views that you and I might actually agree with. That is, of course, pure speculation.
I would remind you that there were many who said the same things about Clarence Thomas. Didn't happen.
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)I'm listening.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)If you look at old "Columbo" episodes on tv, you will eventually see one where Columbo is wearing a baseball cap with the letters NFI on it. I've seen it.
My friend's brother, who was a friend of Peter Falk, wore such a cap onto the set one day. Peter asked him what NFI stood for. The brother said "No fucking idea".
Falk thought this hilarious. He asked for a hat just like it, and wore it on the show.
So, I have no fucking idea why she was vice-chair, but it does not legitimize her very bad ideas.
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LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Anti Obama, anti Muslim, Pro Putin, anti choice, anti LGBT. I think she is still rabidly anti LGBT, but did a public heel turn so she could become a DEm and get elected.
People are railing about Kaine, but he is a true progressive and has evolved on many issues, but Gabbard is an actual DINO.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)The only drama is who can drone the best for benefit of upside down cats, purring before the 'tube.
brush
(53,847 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)Do you want to win in Nov. by uniting the party or not?
This is a chance to do that. It would only last until January.
brush
(53,847 posts)She's also an Islamophobe.
Research her positions and statements for God's sake.
sarae
(3,284 posts)Not a fan...I much prefer Donna Brazile.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)trueblue2007
(17,238 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)Gabbard 'warned' about leaving DNC to endorse Sanders: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/03/02/Gabbard-warned-about-leaving-DNC-to-endorse-Sanders/9861456937372/
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Who Does Tulsi Gabbard Represent?
Tulsi Gabbard has worked with many influential Republicans, the most notable of whom is billionaire Sheldon Adelson:
Adelson gave more than any other GOP-aligned donor (twice the amount given by David Koch) to fund the 2014 Republican takeover of the Senate.
◦Adelson massively funds union-busting.
Gabbard has introduced Adelson-backed legislation supportive of his business interests.
Two days before she led a rally on May 7 for Bernie Sanders in California, Gabbard received the Champion of Freedom award at a gala in New York City, which was co-hosted and sponsored by Sheldon Adelson and his wife Miriam.
2. Why does Tulsi Gabbard use Republican talking points to criticize prominent Democrats in conservative venues?
Gabbard has received favorable coverage from Fox News, the National Review and other conservative media outlets. Shes also been the only Democrat at Republican functions and activities.
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More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shay-chan-hodges/three-questions-about-tulsi_b_10212942.html
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You wanted DSW out and you want Tulsi?
OMFG!
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)Talk about working with the GOP...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/debbie-wasserman-schultz-paylenders-cfpb_us_56d4ce38e4b03260bf77e8fc
Payday lenders get a new ally.
03/01/2016 11:04 am 11:04:07 | Updated May 17, 2016
Zach Carter
WASHINGTON Payday lenders have been gunning for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau since the day President Barack Obama tapped Elizabeth Warren to set up the new agency. Theyve had plenty of help from congressional Republicans longtime recipients of campaign contributions from the payday loan industry. As the CFPB has moved closer to adopting new rules to shield families from predatory lending, the GOP has assailed the agency from every conceivable angle going after its budget, attempting to tie its hands with new layers of red tape, fomenting conspiracy theories about rogue regulators illegally shutting down businesses and launching direct attacks on payday loan rules themselves.
To date, the GOP blitz has resulted in a few close shaves for the young agency, but no actual defeats. But the industry has cultivated a powerful new ally in recent weeks: Democratic National Committee Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.).
Wasserman Schultz is co-sponsoring a new bill that would gut the CFPBs forthcoming payday loan regulations. Shes also attempting to gin up Democratic support for the legislation on Capitol Hill, according to a memo obtained by The Huffington Post.
FULL story at link
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)As far as I can tell Gabbard's actual positions are the exact opposite of things you support.
I agree she's very fiery etc.
But an islamaphobe, supply sider, against gun control? That is so not you.
It is ok to say 'I was mistaken' and no one will think any less of you.
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)The term is up in January. So 6 months only. I want to beat Trump. This short term office would go a long way. Simple concept. Think about it that way. It is going to come up at the convention.
A short term olive branch after the VP pick and email (more on the way we hear) to unify the party and keep the White House.
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)What issues do you have with the VP pick?!!!!!! FFS! It was brilliant. You all will never be happy. IMHO. Warren NEVER wanted that slot.
kcr
(15,320 posts)Does not compute.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Kaine actually is a progressive, and has actually evolved on many social issues.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)brush
(53,847 posts)has bashed Obama and Dem policies many times on FOX and other right wing outlets.
Don't get why progressives are pushing this DINO.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)is a problem.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)TwilightZone
(25,479 posts)A Fox News darling for DNC chair doesn't seem like a terribly good idea.
still_one
(92,394 posts)turbinetree
(24,720 posts)Aye
Honk-----------------for a political revolution
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
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Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)How did she get there?
brush
(53,847 posts)lancer78
(1,495 posts)with her support of Sanders, but she is nothing more than a female version of Trump.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)1st time around
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)Howard Dean is the latest in a string of Hillary Clinton supporters to say that Bernie Sanders is wrong to...
Do we want to bring Bernie D's and I's back to voting the ticket?
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)dflprincess
(28,082 posts)former mayor of Minneapolis, current associate chair of the DNC and, apparently, not that impressed by DWS.
Might be good to make a complete break from her tenure.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/15/top-party-official-accuses-democratic-national-chairwoman-of-lying-questions-her-leadership/?_r=0
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R.T. Rybak, the former mayor of Minneapolis and a vice chairman of the Democratic National Committee, on Thursday accused the partys leader, Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz, of making flat-out not true statements about another top party officer, questioned her political skills and said he had serious questions about her suitability for the job.
The broadside from Mr. Rybak, which came in an interview late Thursday afternoon, followed weeks of internal party dissension over the number and timing of the presidential debates it has scheduled, capped by an acrimonious public dispute over whether Ms. Wasserman Schultz had punitively barred a Democratic vice chairwoman, Tulsi Gabbard, from the first debate, held on Tuesday in Las Vegas.
RandySF
(59,224 posts)Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Unless she wants to give up her house seat. The DNC chair is a full time job. It should not be held by a presently elected official. That includes DWS.
And besides that, the DNC and Hillary don't owe Bernie and his supporters anything.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)repugs
pretty long, and hard to swallow, but with (apparently) documentation in the spots it touts the Rove connection
lots of sickening stuff, if true, but how does one know what to believe anymore.
I was for Gabbard (being a typical repug, zero info news consumer on Gabbard), til I read her apparently substantiated CV, which if accurate, takes her out of my consideration
never cared for Brazille, cause I thought she was ineffective, especially on TV.
but this Rove thing, as well as lots of other stuff, like cozying up to bush in the aftermath of Katrina, turns my stomach.
again, who knows how accurate it is, but check it out:
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/3797/the-donna-brazile-karl-rove-connection/
larry c. Johnson....remember him? considered a hero by many here for standing up to the BFEE time and time again, a classmate of Valerie Plame.
soooo.....I found this, which makes one wonder if he's gone off the deep end. save both these articles for when you have some time.....both very interesting, both eyebrow raising. again, if accurate, shows him to be an anti0bama zealot, perhaps gone off the deep end, perhaps, like Brazille looking for some bread-buttering:
http://prospect.org/article/larry-johnsons-strange-trip
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)Remember the 'whitey tape' accusation made against Michelle Obama? Same guy, same website.
David__77
(23,503 posts)...
George II
(67,782 posts)rollin74
(1,990 posts)luckylefty77
(78 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I'm even more opposed to the idea of Tulsi Gabbard. NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!
Why are you so down on Donna Brazile? She's already got the job and you want to fire her already.
Tulsi Gabbard burned her bridges in the party. She will NEVER be DNC Chair.
Cha
(297,655 posts)someone who cares about our District.
gabbard is a gratuitous basher of President Obama and I told her I didn't want anymore of her damn emails.
The Curious Islamophobic Politics of Dem Congressmember Tulsi Gabbard
She's particularly a favorite of right-wing media. Appearing with Fox's Neil Cavuto last week, she lashed out at the White House for holding an extremism summit with Muslim Americans, saying it's a diversion from what our real focus needs to be. And that focus is on that Islamic extremist threat. She criticized Obama for saying that poverty, lack of access to jobs, lack of access to education is contributing to radicalization. They are not fueled by materialistic motivation, it's actually a theological, this radical Islamic ideology, she said, throwing red meat to Fox viewers.
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/curious-islamophobic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)The religious sect that has given her all of her opinions is one of the most anti-gay organizations anywhere. She would leap from her chair and scream at gay people at her first city office or accuse strangers of being secret homosexual extremists! And then she said that one day she had a vision or visionary experience commanding her to be kind to gays? It's an insane story, and I despise her. Her handlers persuaded her to tone down the insane gay material, but I'd never have believed that she changed.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)She wanted to get elected, so had an overnight heel turn. Still anti Obama, Pro Putin, loathes Muslims, the GOPers love her. Gag.
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)She must be great.
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Thanks for the link.
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)You want Tulsi to replace her as well?
Tulsi
3. Why does Tulsi Gabbard support anti-immigrant and anti-refugee policies?
The second Congressional District of Hawaii is known for aloha, acceptance, and support of diversity. Our districts first representative was Patsy Mink, the first woman of color in Congress. Thirty years later, we sent Mazie Hirono, a Buddhist and an immigrant, to DC. And Congresswoman Gabbard herself was the first Hindu in Congress.
As a progressive, and as stated on his website, Bernie Sanders opposes Republican-led efforts to block Syrian refugees from coming to the US and says the US, Europe, and the Persian gulf states have a moral obligation to welcome Syrian refugees.
Yet on November 19, 2015, Gabbard voted with 46 Democrats and 242 Republicans to pass HR 4038 - the American SAFE Act of 2015, to institute a stronger screening process for refugees from Iraq and Syria who apply for admission to the U.S.
Previously, in 2014, Gabbard called for visa waivers to be curtailed from European countries with Islamic extremist populations - specifically Britain, Germany, and France. (A year later, Donald Trump called for a ban on Muslims entering the US.)
More recently, Gabbard seems to be modifying her views on international policy and inclusiveness, presenting a message of aloha and progressive anti-war values in her March video supporting Bernie Sanders, The Cost of War.
Which leads me to a fourth question: What does Tulsi Gabbard really stand for?
As the mother of two sons who are old enough to join the military and are voting for the first time this election, these questions are not theoretical. They require answers not carefully-crafted imagery.
more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shay-chan-hodges/three-questions-about-tulsi_b_10212942.html
She is yours then, you have changed.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I frankly don't care or believe all this crying over the departure of DWS. She is going to be fine. Glad she was replaced.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Hmmmm. Do you want neutral? Or...
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)I want to beat Trump!
Chitown879
(13 posts)Maybe Johnathan Jackson or Rep Edwards from Baltimore.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)I still think she is violently anti LGBT -- she only changed to get elected.
I want Howard Dean back.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I am not a fan of DWS .... attacking her record (justifiably) doesn't promote Gabbard in the least. It simply points to DWS poor job.
Please point to Gabbard's record indicating she would be a good leader, fund raiser and unifying party member? I can't find anything that would indicate this. she is very personable and charismatic which is a pohttps://www.votetulsi.com/node/846sitive; however, she votes far too often with and in support of republicans She sided with the republicans on "Obama care" https://www.votetulsi.com/node/846 .... sided with republicans on refugees http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452134/-These-47-Democrats-Just-Voted-to-Send-Syrian-Refugees-Back-to-their-Imminent-Death
I could cite many, many more. I don't want Gabbard anywhere near the Democratic Party platform.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/15/rep-tulsi-gabbard-the-democrat-that-republicans-love-and-the-dnc-cant-control/ , http://thatsmycongress.com/house/ .... I can't find a source that identifies her as anything but as a conservative ....?
How did she get to be vice chair of the DNC (a mantra you seem to parrot over and over again....?) .... the same way DWS became chair????? This is an irrelevant point. Indicating the absence of an argument for her qualifications.
If you have any information that would speak to Gabbard's qualities and qualifications please present them (ie indications that she is a strong democrat, fund raising successes for the party, strong leadership) please provide (attacking others does not present a case for her, tired mantras do not provide a case for her .... please provide solid information)
I would like to see Jennifer Granholm chairing the party .... in another discussion I can provide with ease her fundraising, organizational and experiential qualifications.