Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:05 PM

mrmpa (4,033 posts)

Isn't calling for the Russians to hack a US computer......

i.e. offer a reward to find "missing Clinton emails" a treasonous act, as those emails were sent during her time as Secretary of State? If so should he not be arrested?

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Isn't calling for the Russians to hack a US computer...... (Original post)	mrmpa	Jul 2016	OP
Definitely sounds like advocating a crime against a US government agency.	Koinos	Jul 2016	#1
The DNC is a government agency?	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#5
The State Department is.	NuclearDem	Jul 2016	#6
Putting aside for a moment that hacking is in and of itself a federal crime...	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#18
Yep	SickOfTheOnePct	Jul 2016	#20
State Department is, though.	Iggo	Jul 2016	#7
It was privately owned and operated.	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2016	#19
Depends on whether he was referring to State Department "missing" emails.	Koinos	Jul 2016	#8
not specifically treasonous, as that requires actually taking up arms.	unblock	Jul 2016	#2
That is silly.	yourpaljoey	Jul 2016	#3
He should	2naSalit	Jul 2016	#4
Would that be considered Sedition?	blue neen	Jul 2016	#9
It's definately a crime of some sort.......	mrmpa	Jul 2016	#10
This just demonstrates how wholly unqualified Trump is for the Presidency.	blue neen	Jul 2016	#11
it demonstrate his unseriousness	maxsolomon	Jul 2016	#12
That's all The Donald's got.	blue neen	Jul 2016	#16
The Putin-supporting traitors on Free Republic and elsewhere think this is A-Ok!	Oneironaut	Jul 2016	#13
...	napkinz	Jul 2016	#14
Oooh. That would make a really good poster	blue neen	Jul 2016	#15
I would like to point out	edhopper	Jul 2016	#17
LOCK HIM UP!	napkinz	Jul 2016	#21
Because he doesn't live in Russia	Worktodo	Jul 2016	#22

Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:07 PM

Koinos (2,789 posts)

1. Definitely sounds like advocating a crime against a US government agency.

Cybercrime is a crime.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:14 PM

cherokeeprogressive (24,853 posts)

5. The DNC is a government agency?

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:16 PM

NuclearDem (16,184 posts)

6. The State Department is.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:30 PM

cherokeeprogressive (24,853 posts)

18. Putting aside for a moment that hacking is in and of itself a federal crime...

I'm confused. I haven't been watching much news lately in an effort to protect my mental health. After I posted my response I heard about Trump hoping the Russians could find Hillary's "missing emails". It's the treason thing I was asking about in the post you replied to.

Correct me if I'm wrong:

Hillary Clinton did not once use State Department computers to send or receive emails. She used her private server exclusively.

The "missing emails" Trump referred to are the ones deleted from the aforementioned server, which no longer exists.

Her private server didn't belong to the US Government, State Department, or any other entity one could be charged with treason against.

Treason? How?

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:35 PM

SickOfTheOnePct (6,218 posts)

20. Yep

You can't hack something that doesn't exist anymore.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:16 PM

Iggo (46,440 posts)

7. State Department is, though.

Secretary Of State's computer is not a DNC computer.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:33 PM

cherokeeprogressive (24,853 posts)

19. It was privately owned and operated.

Of course, hacking is a federal crime, but treason for hacking a privately owned and operated server?

Therein lies my problem with public officials going off the reservation in their attempts to maintain total privacy.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:17 PM

Koinos (2,789 posts)

8. Depends on whether he was referring to State Department "missing" emails.

Although advocating cyberhacking is probably a federal crime in any case.

ETA: Definitely referring to Clinton's emails as Secr4tary of State:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html?post_id=10207763114496909_10209985105285290#_=_

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:08 PM

unblock (51,285 posts)

2. not specifically treasonous, as that requires actually taking up arms.

but it probably is a violation of federal law.

incitement or conspiracy to commit a felony.

not that any prosecutor would pursue such a case.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:11 PM

yourpaljoey (2,166 posts)

3. That is silly.

Hack what from where?
At any rate, it is likely Wiki has those emails.
If the Russians hack Wiki, who cares?

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:13 PM

2naSalit (69,885 posts)

4. He should

be arrested for all kinds of offenses but he probably won't be because... well, you know.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:22 PM

blue neen (12,085 posts)

9. Would that be considered Sedition?

He's a very dangerous jerk.

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Response to blue neen (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:28 PM

mrmpa (4,033 posts)

10. It's definately a crime of some sort.......

treasonous isn't there a cyberwar going on? Sedition, possibly. I don't know but it is criminal in nature.

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Response to mrmpa (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:37 PM

blue neen (12,085 posts)

11. This just demonstrates how wholly unqualified Trump is for the Presidency.

He has no comprehension or respect for basic and complex laws.

Donald Trump is not even qualified to be dog catcher.

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Response to blue neen (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:24 PM

maxsolomon (29,903 posts)

12. it demonstrate his unseriousness

flippancy is not appropriate in the most serious job in America.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:29 PM

blue neen (12,085 posts)

16. That's all The Donald's got.

Flippancy. Never anything of substance. It's sickening.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:33 PM

Oneironaut (4,582 posts)

13. The Putin-supporting traitors on Free Republic and elsewhere think this is A-Ok!

This is how low American politics has gotten: Americans are happy that a foreign power is trying to rig our election for its own interests.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:20 PM

napkinz (17,199 posts)

14. ...

https://twitter.com/hashtag/TreasonousTrump

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Response to napkinz (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:29 PM

blue neen (12,085 posts)

15. Oooh. That would make a really good poster

or bumper sticker!

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:31 PM

edhopper (30,634 posts)

17. I would like to point out

it has never been shown that Clinton's servers were anything but secure and never hacked.

We can't say the same about many official servers.

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:48 PM

napkinz (17,199 posts)

21. LOCK HIM UP!

more at http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028054319

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Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:31 PM

Worktodo (288 posts)

22. Because he doesn't live in Russia

In the US you can say whatever you want. In Russia, journalists that Putin doesn't like get blown up by car bombs. That's why Trump can say he admires Putin as "a great leader." Remember it's not treason if the president does it, and that's why you don't vote Trump.

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