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Shandris
(3,447 posts)But see, these sources from the government say that they're not, so that's that. Also, in a total shock, a vast majority of crimes in a nation are committed by the group that is most prominent, so we'll try to spin that into percentages and stuff because most people don't understand statistics. Finally, we'll LITERALLY halve the number (and then some) because the 'investigations are still ongoing' and, as such, fully half a year's statistics are completely misrepresented."
Yeah, I can't imagine why. Enjoy your $00.10.
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Shandris
(3,447 posts)PS: I know the list. I'm not engaging because frankly, you're not good enough at it. Have a nice day!
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LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)they'd be a lot more interested in getting women and children out of warzones and off of the migration trails where they're often sexually abused.
So one is left with two options: they only care about the safety (or at least the preservation of the perceived purity) of white women, or they're using the situation to advance their real agenda of xenophobia.
Probably both. Misogyny and racism usually go hand in hand, and using the excuse that Those Other People are going to abuse our precious white ladies (with ownership entirely implied) is the oldest excuse for racism going.
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MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Much in the same way POC are demonized here. Anyone that's been on the receiving end of this type of hate can recognize it from a mile away.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)that fact is not going to change regardless of the attempts at somehow blaming the people who react to the killing - instead of focusing on the killing itself.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)the scary Muslims are doing instead of the Israelis, Christians, white power folks & police in this country. Are fucked up actions only reprehensible when committed by Muslims or brown ppl in general?
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)and if you're referring to the Gaza issues, they have nothing to do with Belgium, France, Germany or any other countries that are seeing muslim militants attack.
I'm able to have feelings and strategies dealing with each of these issues you mention - including extreme anger to what the police are doing.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)LeftyMom
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(2,495 posts)people murdered by those in the migrant pool?
Avalux
(35,015 posts)They're posting questions for an AMA with Drumpf.
One of them claims to be German, and wants to know how they can stop the wave of 'Muslim' crime in Germany. Asks him what they should do.
There are racist people everywhere. This one may really be German, or may just be a lying POS American.
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MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)nothing to see there I guess.
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MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)there to see.
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MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)I write extensively against what the police are doing against black Americans. It's disgusting and stop.
I am extremely against white supremist crimes and allowing them to get guns
I'm against those lunatics who kill innocent kids and attack gathering around the country and the world.
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Judging from specific posts and specific responses, the pattern I'm seeing is this: the violence against women specific to Germany has been championed only as a cause to better advertise a prejudice against Muslims.
Remove the word Muslim or immigrant from any other story about violence against women, and they are no where to be found. So my firm belief is that they are piggy-backing a prejudice on top of a valid cause to make that prejudice appear more valid.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)JI7
(89,241 posts)Mainly things like robbery where the intent is to gain money or other valuables.
Or cases of people who know each other getting into an argument which gets out of control.
These are cases of people just wanting to attack and kill others over some personal beliefs.
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
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malaise
(268,721 posts)This will upset them...GOOD
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(268,721 posts)PrideofJefferson
(54 posts)Just ask Lara Logan. I am all for respecting other cultures and people but to put our heads in the sand and thinking this stuff doesn't happen does a disservice to all.
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)You: " refugees account for less than 1% of the sex crimes committed in Germany"
Text: " under 1 per cent of crimes committed by migrants in 2015 were sexual offences."
The article you link to cites the percentage of the crimes committed by refugees that are sex crimes, you change that to claim it is stating a percentage of all sex crimes which are committed by refugees. The two things are not the same.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Plus both things that you cite are from the sources that I linked.
PrideofJefferson
(54 posts)Thanks. I have lurked for many years and I am glad for such a community.
Do you think these attacks would have happened anyway? It's so disturbing to see the experiences of these woman be shoved to the background like this. The German government covered this up (if you can help explaining why) and now people are trying to silence the victims in the name of political correctness. Facts are facts.
Of course all sexual based violence is a problem but incidents like the ones on New Years simply are a new cause for concern. These were groups of young men largely from one group who took mass action to molest women. That's wrong.
This may get me in trouble but I see some parallels to the lynchings we had in the USA back in our history. We had groups of people committing heinous acts of hatred towards others. We can rightly blame the perpetrators of these crimes. We also rightly blame the perpetrators of the crimes in Germany. We can also pay larger blame on the overall culture in the USA for fostering an environment where lynchings had some level of acceptance. On the same note I think it is ok to look at the culture of these young men to find if that culture gives them a cover first these acts. Am I wrong in this thought?
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treestar
(82,383 posts)maybe get your head out of the sand about the fact that German men committed most of these crimes and that every group has its criminals.
PrideofJefferson
(54 posts)This behavior
treestar
(82,383 posts)There is no reason to post that.
Every group has its criminals and none of them are excused. But no group is inherently more criminal because of their race or religion. Focusing on one type of person committing them is bigoted. Just like right wingers who find and post over and over any case of black on white crime they can find in the US for the purpose of making it look like black men commit most crimes. On DU this has been obvious. No local stories of white German men committing any crime. Single out the refugees. The agenda is obvious. You are invited to think you are burying your head in the sand if we continue to be humanitarian and take refugees from war torn areas.
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PrideofJefferson
(54 posts)but it seems that some are more offended by the mere mention of these attacks and what might motivate them than the attacks themselves. We seem to place blame on other systems when offenses are committed (think unarmed black men and systemic racism and white supremacy) but when these attacks occur no one must mention the ideological ramifications of the systems of misogyny from which these attackers arrived on European shores.
I also think pointing to "well it's only 1% of sexual assaults" smells similar to the black on black crime canard foisted at BLM supporters.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)it's like the guns don't kill argument (e.g. only a small fraction of guns are used to mass murder, most are suicides) or the old 'science has not proven that smoking is bad' or the science on climate change is inconclusive.
It would be far more effective to accept that radicalization is happening and to be part of a solution to stop it - as opposed to minimizing its number and horror.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Yes there are people zeroing in on a few particular crimes in order to support their agenda about Muslims being inherently inferior.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Frankly....I think they both are.
That's my opinion as someone who's agnostic.
Both these religions want to control women. Both of them have problems with women. To sit here and trash the entire Christian religion for restricting abortion and then turn a blind eye when Muslims perform acid attacks and honor killings in the mid-east is incredibly stupid.
treestar
(82,383 posts)sexual assault and other crime. This is the human condition and part of the human problem. Migration will continue also as that is part of the human condition. A country that takes no refugees also has rapists and other criminals. Not recognizing that is "burying your head in the sand."
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)But if we are going to sit here and trash the entire Christian religion (which many here do) for being misogynist for the acts of individuals and not say a word about Islam when Muslims commit individual acts.....that's hypocritical. It's a double standard.
I mean I know the progressive fantasy is that Muslims are all peaceful and good people and white Christians are all evil, racist, and misogynist.... but that's not reality. I'm sorry but both these religions have serious problems. Both of them have psychopaths in their ranks.
If you trash Christianity for not allowing gays to marry and then ignore when ISIS throws gays off buildings....who do you think you are helping? What goal do you feel you are accomplishing?
I agree with Bill Maher.....liberals are stupid when it comes to this.
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JesterCS
(1,827 posts)She said it's actually been pretty bad, and alot of them aren't reported. Not saying you're wrong about the percentages, but it seems moreso than unsubstancial
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MinM
(2,650 posts)Given that the right dominates talk radio and cable news .. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when they serve as an echo chamber for the far right blogs ie., Breibart, Alex Jones...
Good job deconstructing and analyzing this, guillaumeb.
On The Media has an episode this weekend that deals with many of these same issues:
Shows up! Trump v. Putin, the German far-Right's media strategy, and a brand new BNCH for migration.
Here's one segment...
Jul 29, 2016
Migration and refugees have been in the news a lot in the last two years; a deeper understanding of migration and refugees, unfortunately, has not. From misleading language to distorted facts to the abuse of the very term "breaking news" (when in fact emigration, particularly into Europe, tends to remain constant) -- coverage of refugees and migration is all too often predictably poor.
Brooke talks with Heaven Crawley, Coventry University's International Migration Chair, about mass migration myths and how to identify them when they crop up in the news. The result is Part One of our Breaking News Consumer's Handbook: Migration Edition.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/bnch-migration-heaven-crawley
The transcript will be available Monday but you can listen at the link.
keywords: swarm, flood, wave...
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Igel
(35,282 posts)1. The crime rate was disproportionate, about twice what would be expected.
2. They're refugees. The crime rate for those being offered a hand up should've zero.
3. Many of the refugees are in sequestered communities. I suspect most of those are not reported.
4. The perps for many assaults were never identified and cannot be included in the stats. Is there a bias in this category of unknown perps? Probably.
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