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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 05:54 PM Jul 2016

American psycho: Is Donald Trump clinically deranged?

Truly self-made billionaire Michael Bloomberg deftly suggested that Donald Trump is mentally unstable when New York’s former mayor called on Americans to elect a “sane” person as President.

Doing so at the Democratic National Convention, Bloomberg made public what many wonder in private: Is Trump certifiable?
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Cross Trump and prepare to be on the receiving end of threats, including of physical violence. Previously, he had directed them at protesters. Now, the would-be President has targeted a former mayor and one of America’s most respected businessmen and philanthropists.

Trump is forever vindictive. The previous week — right after the Republican Convention — he announced that he would create a SuperPAC to defeat at the polls former primary rivals Sen. Ted Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, both of whom pointedly refused to endorse him.

Of course, add pathological lying to the mix.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/donald-trump-american-psycho-article-1.2731580

I vote: Clinically deranged.

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American psycho: Is Donald Trump clinically deranged? (Original Post) uawchild Jul 2016 OP
What does he think edhopper Jul 2016 #1
He doesn't care anymore?? madinmaryland Jul 2016 #15
ha ha edhopper Jul 2016 #16
I would prefer if tRump would just say, "Hello, I Must Be Going!"... madinmaryland Jul 2016 #17
Why don't we discuss it Charles Bukowski Jul 2016 #27
I thought edhopper Jul 2016 #28
I would like to see the sharp_stick Jul 2016 #2
Clinical term for his pathology is safeinOhio Jul 2016 #3
batshit crazy lindysalsagal Jul 2016 #18
Is Donald Trump clinically deranged? angrychair Jul 2016 #4
all's i know is that anyone who 'follows' him is certainly clinically insane spanone Jul 2016 #5
This theme is really getting tired. Really tired. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #6
I'm not a shrink, but I'm pretty sure one can be "successful", as you say and still suffer from any highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #11
Many CEOs can be classified as having sociopathic traits. Ilsa Jul 2016 #12
Yes, though sociopath isn't even legitimate psychological diagnosis. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #22
Personality disorder: narcissism. not curable. No Vested Interest Jul 2016 #7
Spot on. sofa king Jul 2016 #10
I wish I could agree that TRump could be induced to leave the race, but, No Vested Interest Jul 2016 #19
A very good point. sofa king Jul 2016 #20
I doubt he fits any definition right now. randome Jul 2016 #8
I'm no shrink, but it's clear to me that he has a whole kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #9
Medicalizing Trump is ableist loyalsister Jul 2016 #13
narcissistic personality disorder and onset of alzheimer's demigoddess Jul 2016 #14
I think you've nailes it! Lars39 Jul 2016 #23
He's definitely emotionally damaged... MrScorpio Jul 2016 #21
Trimp is a sicko Gothmog Jul 2016 #24
Both Michael Steel & Steve Schmidt... imanamerican63 Jul 2016 #25
He definately has the Norman Bates Vibe...Have you seen his mother? Henhouse Jul 2016 #26

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
17. I would prefer if tRump would just say, "Hello, I Must Be Going!"...
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jul 2016

or "i'm just going to go fuck myself".


sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
2. I would like to see the
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jul 2016

results of a 30 day psychiatric hold on him. I think he's got a lot of really deep and nasty issues.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. This theme is really getting tired. Really tired.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jul 2016

Mental illness is characterized by -dysfunction- and -distress- for the afflicted person.

Trump isn't dysfunctional, but rather successful, and for all his deviant messaging, he doesn't seem to suffer any distress.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
11. I'm not a shrink, but I'm pretty sure one can be "successful", as you say and still suffer from any
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jul 2016

of a number of what we call mental disorders. They are not, frankly, "mental" - because they involve the whole body, but anything in the current DSM can surely exist with the person still being "high functioning" and even successful.

In fact, the unsuccessful examples we don't generally hear about. It's the successful maniacs that make their mark, like, let's say Hitler.

Successful? Well, very much so, up to a point. Mentally secure? I can't imagine any one among us saying so.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
12. Many CEOs can be classified as having sociopathic traits.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jul 2016

Their sociopathy permits them to ignore the point of view and suffering of others in favor of achieving the CEO's primary goals.

Some of us on DU have noticed details about the Donald's speech, both content and delivery, that indicate he may have several mental health issues, including narcissism and perhaps episodes of mania. I don't have as much professional experience on this as some other DUers, but I've encountered it in my nursing work and personal life.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
22. Yes, though sociopath isn't even legitimate psychological diagnosis.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:37 AM
Jul 2016

So that's -very- meaningful, I am sure.



No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
7. Personality disorder: narcissism. not curable.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jul 2016

IOW: do not expect a 70-year-old man to make lasting changes in his personality, as the habits are too deeply ingrained and not recognized by the person in whom they reside.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
10. Spot on.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jul 2016

Inability to change is one of the classic traits of the narcissist. They only seek treatment during the comparatively rare bouts of depression, in which they experience regret for their actions and can feel empathy for others. Then, when their self esteem recovers and they start believing their own bullshit again, they invariably leave treatment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20025568

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

That's what we've been seeing since Thursday: a massive crack in Trump's self esteem, and he's lashing out against his critics in every malevolent way that he can. If we're lucky, the slide will accelerate into depression and withdrawal, and at that moment I think he can be induced to leave the race. That's not the best thing for the Democrats, who now appear to be coasting toward a landslide, but it is in the best interests of the nation as a whole.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
19. I wish I could agree that TRump could be induced to leave the race, but,
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:05 AM
Jul 2016

I believe, unfortunately, that he's past that point, due to the involvement and support of his "team", including his adult children and managers.
They are now so invested in his race that would/will cover for him and persuade him to carry on, even when he is really no longer able.
We've seen this happen with entertainment celebrities surrounded by team members and hangers-on, so that the entertainers linger on in the business, at lessened capacity.
We also saw it happen in the 1980's, when the President of the US continued in office long past his capacity.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
20. A very good point.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:36 AM
Jul 2016

It is those people around him who rebuild Trump's self-esteem when it is bruised or crushed, not unlike Hitler's "secretary circle."

We may be able to see signs of a declination in advance, when close associates begin fleeing the bunker, so to speak.

We may already be seeing some of the signs, as Trump has a very busy two day week scheduled this week, while his running mate continues to carry a full load.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. I doubt he fits any definition right now.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jul 2016

But I do think he will suffer a meltdown before November and then we may gain some insights into his deeper psychological makeup.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
9. I'm no shrink, but it's clear to me that he has a whole
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:10 PM
Jul 2016

trainload of psychopathology underneath that rabid wombat.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
13. Medicalizing Trump is ableist
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jul 2016

If the logic is that by framing Trump as having a mental illness makes him unfit for the presidency then the message is that mental illness is equated with incompetence and that is a dangerous thing to not only assert but to advocate which is exactly what anyone saying “Trump is [insert usually bigoted term for mental illness here] are doing.

There is also the fact that much of the “evidence” people are using in their speculation is based on Trump’s bigotry. Finn has a great piece how “Wrong Does Not Mean Crazy” which focuses on how problematic it is to equate ideas we disagree with as evidence of the idea holder’s mental instability.

I cannot say strongly enough that bigotry is not a mental illness. It is also important to remind you that Trump doesn’t exist in a vacuum. He didn’t reach where he is by donning the guise of a supervillain (mo matter how abhorrent many of his ideas are) and threatening his way to the nomination.

https://crippledscholar.wordpress.com/2016/07/28/on-the-medicalization-of-donald-trump/

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
23. I think you've nailes it!
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:21 AM
Jul 2016

Something in his face the first time I saw him reminded me of early dementia.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
21. He's definitely emotionally damaged...
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:08 AM
Jul 2016

For the clinical determination, a good CAT Scan might to the trick.

Which could turn out to be ironic for him, given the way that he bullies disabled people.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
26. He definately has the Norman Bates Vibe...Have you seen his mother?
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jul 2016

This is and actual photo of Trump's mom. Not a photoshop. Not to speak ill of his dead mother but this gives that thing on his head new context. Very creepy.

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