Does "Job Creation" count if it was only for your own profit?

[ksoze]

Trump's push back on many issues is his role as a "job creator". While his companies clearly did hire people over the last several decades, those jobs were created for his own personal profit. Not sure you can claim job creation as a response to sacrifice or helping the country. Someone who creates jobs that do not directly put money in their own pocket is a jobs creator. Every time it is used by him or his surrogates, it is disingenuous and falsely attempts to portray him as giving something for nothing. He has never done that.

[1939]

1. Most jobs are created by people seeking to increase profit.

If a landscaper hires an assistant so that he can do more lawns and get more income, he has "created" a job. Why create a job if there is no benefit to the creator? Government jobs are often created to increase the size of a bureaucrat's empire and justify a higher grade and salary for himself.

[bluesbassman]

3. True. The key here is the concept of sacrifice.

If a person creates a not for profit entity that creates employment opportunities for others and not for their own personal enrichment, that effort taken could be considered a sacrifice. However in Trump's case it can only be considered being a businessman. Any "sacrifices" he made were in the pursuit of personal gain.

[unblock]

5. this takes demand for granted.

the job is created by the homeowner who needs the landscaping and is willing to pay people to do it.

the landscaper should be inclined to do it single-handedly, and it's only when there is so much demand (or landscaper is sufficiently lazy) that the landscaper can afford to hire an assistant.

at that point, the job was fundamentally still created by the homeowner, who is indirectly hiring a small team of landscapers, but simply left the human resource details to the landscaping company's owner.


people see what their did, what's right in front of their nose. not always easy to see the bigger picture.

[TexasProgresive]

2. It certainly wasn't a "sacrificial" act.

I believe he made that claim to counter the Kahns claim he has never sacrificed or anyone.

[unblock]

4. job is fundamentally created by demand, not by bosses.

bosses have a direct hand in the endeavor, obviously, but mostly they are just responding to demand, and then spending their time figuring out how they can keep on as few employees as possible and pay them as little as possible.

little credit is given to inventors and discoverers unless they happen to also run the businesses.

research scientists, government agencies, statesmen, and so on often spawn huge industries that hire tons of people. but for some reason only the bosses get credit.

john von neumann was effectively one of the founders of computer science. how many people does that industry employ?
but no, the credit goes to people like bill gates.

tim berners-lee created the world wide web. how many people does that industry employ?
but no, the credit goes to people like google founders larry page and sergey brin.


in the uk, people who need a ride say they "hire" a cab. that's job creation. i have a demand for goods or services, i pay for them. the owner of the cab company isn't the one really creating the job.

[duncang]

6. He has created jobs and there have been sacrifices

He created a lot of jobs for lawyers to file bankruptcy for him. He has created jobs for lawyers to screw people out of money he owes them. He has created a lot of jobs overseas.

On the sacrifices he has made.

He has sacrificed a lot of other peoples livelihoods on the alter of his wallet.

[former9thward]

7. All private sector jobs are created for someone's profit.

President Obama has had no problem taking credit for those jobs on his watch.

[ksoze]

8. but not only HIS direct personal profit

[former9thward]

9. All private jobs are created this way.

For someone's direct personal profit. Corporations (which Trump is part of -- he is not hiring people himself) create jobs to for profit for investors and owners. No mystery here.

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. Semantics.

[0rganism]

11. "job creation" is no sacrifice

unless you're creating not-for-profit gigs for the disabled at a goodwill store, it's a stretch to even claim "job creation" as charitable, let alone sacrificial.

fundamentally, "job creation" is performed in response to some demand for goods and services, with increased profit and/or market share as the endgame. how is this, in any conceivable way, a sacrifice? at worst it's a gamble or a straight-up bad decision, and i don't recall serious discussion of the painful sacrifices made by roulette players at tRump's casinos.