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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 03:26 PM Aug 2016

GMO Ingredients - Companies can label their products as "GMO-Free,"

if that's a true statement. I've seen labels like that, mostly on products I don't use.

Why don't I use them? Because the controversy is pretty much bogus from the very beginning, in my opinion. I choose food products based on many criteria, but not whether they contain any ingredients that have been genetically modified. I don't care about that in any way. I'm looking, instead, for ingredients I believe to be harmful to me, personally.

Now, I may have a different list of such ingredients than other people have. But, I read labels because I want to choose what I eat.

I have looked at the ingredient labels for some "Non-GMO" foods, too. I've even tried a few of them. In general, I find them overpriced, under-flavored, and not to my liking, because the "Non-GMO" folks also seem to be opposed to a lot of things I actually enjoy eating.

But, since companies can label their products as "Non-GMO," "Gluten-Free," "Vegan" or "Organic," people who are concerned with those things can select those products for their own consumption. Those who are not concerned can choose products based on their own criteria, and could easily assume that the food products they do buy might contain modified ingredients, gluten, animal products and stuff grown on commercial farms.

If I wanted Non-GMO or any of those other categories of foods, I would seek them out and buy them. But, I don't give a damn about those issues much. So, I buy the food products I judge to be flavorful, free of contaminants, and within my price range. Then, I enjoy them without stressing about things that don't matter to me.

Look for labels that tell you what you want to know. Assume that if those labels aren't there that a product may well contain something you don't want.

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GMO Ingredients - Companies can label their products as "GMO-Free," (Original Post) MineralMan Aug 2016 OP
You nailed it. Archae Aug 2016 #1
"Frankenfood" years ago HockeyMom Aug 2016 #2
Most people are allergic to a single protein or related proteins. Igel Aug 2016 #3
 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
2. "Frankenfood" years ago
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 04:04 PM
Aug 2016

as the media labeled it at the time. If you are allergic to Poultry or a Vegan, you would want to eat tomatoes grown with chicken DNA to make them bigger and not have it labeled so you would not know and still buy those GMO tomatoes?

Igel

(35,317 posts)
3. Most people are allergic to a single protein or related proteins.
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 04:35 PM
Aug 2016

Chicken DNA wasn't put into tomatoes, to my knowledge (fish DNA, sure--it produced an antifreeze protein, but never made it to market). But let's assume chicken DNA was inserted.

A chicken contains many 10s of thousands of proteins. The usual allergen in chicken is a blood serum albumin variant specific to chickens. (It's different in turkeys, and much different in mammals, but we all have some sort of blood serum albumin). So if you're allergic to chicken, you're almost certainly not allergic to the cell walls or antibodies or enzymes or lots of other things. Just chicken blood serum albumin.

Putting the DNA for chicken blood serum albumin into tomatoes would be bad. But the other proteins ... Meh.

For shrimp, it's mostly tropomyosin that triggers allergies. If any other shrimp protein were inserted into, say, chickens, it wouldn't be a problem.

Now, they GMO for specific traits. Drought tolerance, production of a vitamin, insensitivity to some mineral, increased cold tolerance, more even ripening. It's unlikely that they'd pick an allergy-inducing protein just given the probabilities involved. The human body has perhaps 50k proteins (and can produce far more). E. coli, a bacterium, has 3000 different proteins.

If they did put in an allergy-inducing protein in a common food, several scenarios are likely. The first is that since they're adding DNA, the product would fail FDA approval without labeling. The second is that the producers and sellers would use labeling simply because they'd have such incredible civil liability otherwise their lawyers would push the scientists and management folk out of the highest window they could find. The third is the news media attention that such a company would garner within days of the product going on the market.

All that's left is fear and suspicion based on not understanding how the tech works.

An aside on vegan diets. It's really hard to know what to make of that particular claim. It's not the protein per say that most vegans object to, IMO, but on the fact that an animal is killed to produce the food. I've known vegans who avoid leather and anything produced from animal because it requires the death of an animal. Put a bacteria or cow gene in okra and no animal dies when you harvest the pod. It's even more removed from what most vegans I've known were concerned about than, say, vat-grown beef (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat#First_public_trial). I guess some religious vegans might. Then again, I'm not sure how I'd feel about a shrimp-protein-containing parsley for Passover.

Naturally occurring urea is largely derived from animals. It's a great fertilizer and used in plastics. Most urea used today is artificially produced (it's the chemical that started unraveling the idea that naturally occurring organic molecules have some special "force" or "power&quot . I've known few vegans who reject urea-based fertilizer, whether natural or artificial.

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