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Anyone who deserts Obama for the likes of Ron Paul should come see me about a big red bridge I'm trying to sell in San Francisco. It'll collapse into the harbor in a few years due to the total lack of funding necessary for its upkeep, but in the meantime you can scrawl as many KKK slogans on it as will fit.
No, I will not support a man whose avowed purpose is the dismantling of the social safety net. I will not support a man who cloaks himself in bullshit Libertarianism while trying to pass laws that make women who choose abortion into first-degree murderers on the Federal level. I will not support a man who fears a UN one-world government. I will not support a man who thinks racism and homophobia are fine and dandy. I will work to stop these wars as I always have, but I am not going to burn down the fucking country in the process. Is that clear enough?
Paul supporters on my FB page have been making the argument that the country needs another "fruitcake" at the helm to "inspire the completion of the revolution." Nader preached that filthy gospel back in 2000. The only people who spout that nonsense are the ones who won't get hurt by it. I'm glad whoever believes that is so comfortable, but that arrogance is consigning millions into horror. "Maybe we need things to get worse," right? Fuck you. Sincerely, the millions who will get fucked over by such arrogance.
Ron Paul is a fake Libertarian bullshit artist who believes a one-world religious takeover of America will only be outpaced by a UN takeover. His economic theories are bullshit of the purest ray serene. He hates women, and in fact hates anyone who is not of his sexual orientation or skin tone. He can take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut in a gravel driveway; the only thing he is good for is playing merry havoc with the hopeless dipshits of the GOP base in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Oh, P.S., advocating for a Republican doesn't fly on DU. Never has, never will. Go peddle your papers somewhere else.
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Faygo Kid
(21,492 posts)I will say it over and over again. He has no place here at DU.
Ron Paul, in an interview, speaking against the laws that ended slavery, that might have in
fact started the Civil War, had said the following, in a CNN interview a couple of years ago.
"States would have ended slavery on their own without it, eventually, it wasn't profitable."
That's about 90% correct I think, identical in meaning to what he said on CNN on that day.
Lie. Slavery was the most profitable large-scale business in US history. Just name one that
pays people nothing, feeds them scraps you'd throw out anyway, and makes them all work.
Hard work. It built the southern economy and much of the US economy. For almost no cost,
cotton is harvested, sold, all profits to the owners / brokers / bankers involved with cotton.
Ron Paul isn't stupid. He knew what he said was a lie. God knows if by the mid 20th century,
given how profitable it was, with no federal law - many states likely would still have slavery.
The worst isn't the lie, it's the 'market-based solution'. Instead of saying 'the govt should've
ended slavery sooner, as it's inhumane', he offered a false idealistic, market-based 'solution'.
tonybgood
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LiberalFighter
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FSogol
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Zorra
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tularetom
(23,664 posts)Whole hearted K&R to this post. Ron Paul is nothing but a con man and if anyone thinks that his pro-weed and anti-war policies would override his innate love for corporate lawlessness, they're delusional.
Just look at the son he produced.
MADem
(135,425 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Ron Paul literally makes me sick to my stomach. Our nation should be ashamed to have elected him to any office.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I've always contended and I continue to contend, Ron Paul is an effing snake oil salesman. He only runs for Pres for the bucks. He's not interested in helping this country unless it's into the gutter, so he could kiss my behind.
I'm flabbergasted that some Liberals would even consider supporting this charlatan. I always thought Liberals were the intelligent ones. All they need to do is remember one unassailable fact: Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN Rep. Not a Democratic one. That should be all they need to know to make an educated decision what Paul really is: charlatan and Carny.
MineralMan
(151,103 posts)WilliamPitt
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kentuck
(115,374 posts)and is actually the love child of RuPaul... 
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)baldguy
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HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Many Paul fans are fiscally comfortable males who are in line with his economic Darwinist and anti-egalitarian message. They lurves unbridled capitalism, free trade, a regressive tax system, deregulation and job offshoring. We've all had front-row seats to the result of such horseshit practices.
Yet there are those who attest that Ron Paul is "Anti-Bankster". BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAH!
warrior1
(12,325 posts)but he'll never make it past the primary.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)to ask a Ron paul supporter is "What is more important property rights or human rights'? Ron paul advocates that property is more important than civil rights and that is why he is opposed to the Civil rights bill. How absolutely out of touch can you be to support the segregationist system that existed in the south prior to the Civil Rights bill. How can one be so immune to human suffering that you would oppose the civil rights bill. His argument is exactly what the segregationists used in opposing the Civil rights bill. Rand said the free market would have corrected(I'm sure Ron feels the same way). Uhh, the system was working in the free market.
This is a man deeply rooted in only himself.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Paul strikes a chord with the most selfish of our society. He is dangerous because people are totally duped by a few topics they THINK they agree with him on. He's dangerous because some people who think they are liberal defend him.
His UN/NWO bullshit is just that. Bullshit. The UN has no way to affectthe 2nd Amendment or any portion of the US Constitution. People are defending a very paranoid, xenophobic crazy-man. aPaulogists are like cult members. His ideas are stupid, and won't work in the real world. It's no wonder that most of his supporters are people who don't understand what it means to live as self-supporting members of society.
It's ok though, because he's not going to win, which will give what his blindered believers what they really want anyway; the ability to declare that his defeat is because he's just too pure and good for our corrupt system. We don't *deserve* Ron Paul, in much the way we don't *deserve* a puppy!
ellisonz
(27,776 posts)Fuck Ron Paul.
JustAnotherGen
(37,999 posts)And you are one of the reasons I read DU. 
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Hope this doesn't violate the rules but here was my two cents worth on his concept of Liberty.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100280488
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)So, fix the voting machines for Ron Paul!
joyfulsurety 2 days ago
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=EcN80M6IvKU
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I of course truly do not endorse such a consideration, and would consider any such to be against freedom in general and the American people in general. Bush and friends rigged elections; no further use of the same tactic would be different from Bush.
slay
(7,670 posts)people have the right to vote for who they want, but you're right, they are not always allowed to talk about it on DU. 
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)We support Democrats and we do not apologize for or justify supporting Republicans.
Why the ? 
slay
(7,670 posts)i support progressives - not every Dem - and certainly not Ron Paul.. lol. but i'll probably have to stop posting here soon cause Obama and the Dems have really let us down over the last 3 years IMO and that's not something i can be silent about.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Our state Democrats have done amazing things to renew my faith in the party. Perhaps you could focus locally to try to build up the Democratic leaders of tomorrow? I don't know where you are, but I'll bet you have some remarkable Democrats right in your backyard that could use some support.
slay
(7,670 posts)and she is horrible. we do have some good local ones, but even our mayor is an independent (on the progressive side). i vote for brad miller (Dem) for the house every time though since i'm in his district and his votes are mainly progressive. i wish we had more good Dems in NC to support - i really do.
but yes, i too am very proud of the Dems in Wisconsin this year.
*on edit - our Dems here did take back our local school board from the Koch Bros funded repub assholes so indeed, there is some good being done at the local level. National - not so much.
_ed_
(1,734 posts)Progressive Underground. If you post here you have to realize that many people will hypocritically support Democrats who do the same things as Republicans just because there is a "D" next to their name. See the threads about Ben Nelson. You have to realize that you're mostly dealing with people who support a particular political party more than they do progressive principles.
and while I support the traditional Dem goals of standing up for the people and their rights - the Dems seem to have strayed to protecting corporations rather than people these days. it's really too bad this can't be a progressive message board above a democratic party one. oh well.
Serial Mom
(2,256 posts)YOU have you realize that many do NOT hypocritically support Dems. Many do NOT support a party over principles. We choose and elect Dems because we have the best chance with them to hear our voice - and voting for any other party would eliminate any chance for any progressive ideas.
"people have the right to vote for who they want"
...there's alway Ron Paul: http://www.democraticunderground.com/100281161
WilliamPitt
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Whisp
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Robb
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TBF
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KT2000
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tandot
(6,671 posts)totally agree ... nothing to add
hifiguy
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rustydog
(9,186 posts)_ed_
(1,734 posts)But, on the other hand, if I'm uncomfortable voting for a racist and homophobe, how could I also be comfortable voting for Obama, who claims the unilateral power to assassinate our fellow citizens?
The fact that Paul is bad doesn't make Obama good.
Frankly, if I vote for Obama, I'd have to ignore many, many things that are of utmost importance to me like civil liberties, war, and financial reform. If I vote for Paul, I have to ignore his racism, homophobia, and anti-choice stances. What's the difference? Is racism worse than claiming that you can assassinate Americans?
You said in reference to Paul: "The only people who spout that nonsense are the ones who won't get hurt by it."
Apply that reasoning to those assassinated by Obama (including the children he has killed).
groundloop
(13,759 posts)You're NEVER going to find a candidate who is 100% perfect. No matter what you have to say against President Obama, the fact is that he's head over heels better than any of the repub contenders. It's this kind of thinking that gave us W. Bush. I hate to admit it but I fell into this trap in 2000 and voted for a third party candidate, as did many others. Look what good that did!
bonzotex
(874 posts).....take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut in a gravel driveway.
Awesome
DonCoquixote
(13,954 posts)You said: Paul supporters on my FB page have been making the argument that the country needs another "fruitcake" at the helm to "inspire the completion of the revolution."
I offer this quote from Eric Hoffer:
"Those who would sacrifice a generation to realize an ideal are the enemies of mankind."
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)the Democrats will know what the Republican Assklowns are standing for this time around.
Just as many Republicans get Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid as Democrats.
I know this is true because I know Republicans who are enrolled in one or more of those programs and then they bitch about the Democrats while bragging about being life-long Republicans.
Right up until the minute I remind them that the Republicans are the ones that have been trying to reduce the monies that they are now receiving!
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)Pot and wars aside, he is against everything Democrats stand for. If you're a Ron Paul supporter, you are not a Democrat in my view and you do not belong on Democratic Underground.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Pot and wars.
Compared to, say, Santorum he's better. But that's like saying getting hit with a bat is better than getting hit with a bat that has spikes coming out of it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)He's got a long history as a filth streamer and there are no terms to strong to employ in the opposition of such a man.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)We all agree with this politician or that one on certain issues and that is true for me with Ron Paul.
But I strongly, extremely strongly disagree with Ron Paul on the most fundamental issue of all: the role of democratic/representative government in regulating business and promoting the economic interests of all the people, not just the rich.
Ron Paul's ideas on the economy, on civil rights and justice are completely unworkable.
Ron Paul would just as soon allow big business to turn average Americans into slaves. That would not bother him at all as long as the government wasn't involved in stopping the enslavement.
Demonaut
(10,061 posts)a turd is a turd by any other name
pepperbear
(5,693 posts)Texas Lawyer
(350 posts)No real Democrat is even remotely interested actually voting for Ron Paul. As far as I can tell, Paul grabs ideologically confused people who mainly self-identify as independents, Libertarians, Republicans, and -- least of all -- Democrats.
Paul seems to be shitting in the Republican punch bowl. Why is this not more amusing than threatening?
curlyred
(1,879 posts)Fake libertarian racist indeed
stevedeshazer
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Mosaic
(1,451 posts)"Maybe we need things to get worse," right? Fuck you. Sincerely, the millions who will get fucked over by such arrogance.
I find it's jealous foreigners, from Canada, the UK, and the Middle East posing as Americans who post such drivel. Thanks for making the point, it needed to be made.
Pachamama
(17,556 posts)The only good purpose of Ron Paul IMOP is to wreck havoc on the circus called the GOP. But beyond that, the man is seriously scary. Weirdest thing is seeing people that I would normally describe as smart independent thinkers who are somehow mesmerized in believing Ron Paul is the answer. Mostly because he has previously stated his opposition to the wars when no one else would, taking on the Fed Reserve etc. But one friend of mine in particular who home schools, seems to think Ron Paul's plans for dismantling the Dept of Education and leaving it to the states is "brilliant". WTF? Yeah, lets just dismantle our public education system and leave it to the broke states. Then we can really be assured that the dumbing down of America & illiteracy is complete.
Anyway, I hope on the DU soon we can have a good posting/listing with all the beliefs & positions that Ron Paul has (and direct references & links), because if Ron Paul is either able to make it as the GOP nominee (wont happen) but more likely run as an independent, then there are some independents & democrats that have been drinking the Ron Paul Kool-Aid that need some serious facts provided to them by us.
ellisonz
(27,776 posts)The stupid is strong with those ones.
rox63
(9,464 posts)'take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut in a gravel driveway' some time real soon.
Good one, Will.
PhoenixAbove
(166 posts)trumad
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sellitman
(11,744 posts)As soon as any of my followers start spounting off RP BS they get trashed then blocked.
Spot on Will!
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)That's all they've got. They advocate for him constantly with that stupid "Paul 2012" crap over and over again without any substance. I guess that is the extent of their substance
rainy
(6,320 posts)Why I don’t get libertarianism: First, I would recommend the movie “There will be Blood,” based on the book “Oil” by Upton Sinclair. In it Daniel Dey Lewis’s character is a human metaphor for capitalism. He destroys everything in his path eventually destroying himself as capitalism eventually eats itself as we are seeing now.
The Pauls think its ok for a business to say who they will let in their doors based on bigotry because they are the property owners, even though it is the public that paid for the roads that lead to their door, pays for their police protection and pays for their fire protection.
The Pauls believe that a business such as Walmart should be able to pay any crap wage even though the worker is not paid enough to support him or herself to the point that the tax payer has to pay for food stamps the worker needs to survive, while the CEO makes that workers yearly wage in one hour.
The Pauls believe that a company should be able to use up all of the natural resources, pollute the earth and not pay for it. They believe Coke company should be able to go to any country, steal their water to bottle their coke, exploit workers for horrendous wages, pollute their water, make them deathly sick and not pay a dime for all the destruction they cause.
Capitalism is not the answer, it can’t float all boats especially global capitalism and it is not good for a majority of people. The earth can’t sustain our rate of growth. Capitalism wastes too much of our natural resources. Waste is not a good way to run an economy.
Someone has to pick the fruit, harvest the food, work at 7-11 or Walmart and yet libertarians are ok with those workers not getting enough to pay for food and healthcare. What is the point of living if the wage doesn’t allow peace and happiness? Why are we here…to slave for Walmart while they decide the value of our wage, while they lobby our government to make rules that favor them?
The public pays for most of the innovative research going on in the world through subsidies yet after the great things are invented, especially pharmaceuticals, using public subsidies the private companies get to keep all the profit.
Because capitalists rule, we are actually seeing our innovation drop in the US. We are no longer competitive because it has been the government subsidizing all the innovative research and the right and libertarians are starving the government to the point of no funding for that marvelous research. Other countries are soaring ahead of us. They are inventing renewable green energy technology while we are still trying to build an oil pipeline. We are old dinosaurs hanging on to old ways and afraid to fund the future. Our schools, roads etc are crumbling.
Private property seems to be at the root of libertarianism. Why should the “government” be allowed to divvy out land? Who are the real owners of the earth? If a government ‘s sole purpose is to divvy out land and supply protection for only the owners who would allow that government to be? The earth belongs to everyone.
Capitalism and socialism are not the answers. A better world is possible. We are moving out of the industrial age based on cheap oil, which came with murderous wars and destruction. We are moving into an information age. We are truly becoming more aware, more conscientious beings.
A TRUE COST economy is the way to go where companies are not allowed to dump toxins into our once clean air, land and water. Those companies make us sick with cancer and other illnesses but pay nothing to fix the problem. They make huge profits off of using up all the people’s resources and leave toxins behind that are killing us.
If they had to pay for the toxic waste they couldn’t afford to exist and so be it.
In a true cost economy we would not have a Federal Bank that creates money out of thin air. We wouldn’t have banks that created credit default swaps allowing one end of their business to bet that the other end will fail and rake in dollars as our pensions shrink.
A true cost economy would promote localism allowing us to stop using deadly pesticides and chemical fertilizers.
Capitalism destroys everything in sight. Our fish are not healthy to eat. 60% of asthma is caused by air pollution and toxins seep into our drinking water supplies. Everything is polluted. The earth is crashing and burning.
Free market capitalism is corrupt and unregulated and destroying the world.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)I wish I could recommend your comment.
Very concise and well stated rebuke of the selfism that seems to have run wild.
Seriously, Rainy post this out on the board.
I already did about a week ago and didn't get much discussion.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)This is really a gem...
Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)
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Charlemagne
(576 posts)"Anyone who deserts Obama for the likes of Ron Paul should come see me about a big red bridge I'm trying to sell in San Francisco. It'll collapse into the harbor in a few years due to the total lack of funding necessary for its upkeep, but in the meantime you can scrawl as many KKK slogans on it as will fit. "
I almost died from laughter. Well done.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)It reminds me of all these people I went to college with who all dream of a utopia where anyone is free to do what they like and damn the consequences.