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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 06:31 AM Aug 2016

ISIS wants a President Trump. Perhaps this is part of the reason:


So obviously this is opinion, conjecture, and it’s born out of my field of study and a long time fascination with apocalyptic thinking and movements. In 1998 I wrote my thesis on Millenarianism at the turn of the Millennium.

Just as nearly all religions have a creation myth, so too do they nearly all have end time myths, and the latter are often an end and a reset- to put it inelegantly.

The plethora of jihadist attacks over the past several months are, I believe, in part because ISIS and others of their ilk want a Trump Presidency.

Why? They are, as the late great British historian, Norman Cohn, millenarians. The definition of Millenarianism has long been expanded beyond Christian eschatology. Cohn’s definition of millenarian is as follows:

Millenarial sects or movements always picture salvation as

a) collective, in the sense that it to be enjoyed by the faithful as a collectivity:

b) terrestrial, in the sense that it is to widely realized on this earth and not some other worldly heaven;

c) imminent, in the sense that it is to come both soon and suddenly;

d) total, in the sense that it is utterly to transform life on earth so that the new dispensation will be no mere improvement on the present but perfection itself;

e) miraculous, in the sense that it is to accomplished by or with the help of supernatural agencies.


They want an all out war such as that promised by Donald Trump. They believe that he will be a hugely effective recruiting tool for them.

Millenarian movements, such as the medieval ones examined in Cohn’s seminal work ‘Pursuit of the Millennium’, are invariably shot through with the insane. But they are often born not just out of religious fervor but perceived and/or real injustice and persecution. Indeed, there are millennial movements that are non-religious.

http://notbored.org/cohn.html
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2007/aug/09/guardianobituaries.obituaries
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Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
2. if a group is really hoping for full capacity global shit combined with maximum possible fannage
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 06:50 AM
Aug 2016

really, it's no contest as to which candidate will cause the most problems for this country and the planet.

cloudythescribbler

(2,586 posts)
4. I have for a while now wondered aloud widely -- where in the MSM ...
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 07:24 AM
Aug 2016

... is there ANY significant coverage of the jihadi internet chatter that we heard about so widely in the leadup to the Iraq War (they were gloating at what they correctly saw as a great opportunity for them and a blunder for the US). It's not as if the subject hasn't been covered before in the MSM. Also, at this point, an American major party nominee who says the things he does about Moslems and about torture as well as his disrespect of the Khans -- these surely must be widely discussed on the web in the Islamic World, including among jihadis.

Clearly, repeated specific reports of jihadi internet chatter -- and it surely is out there, the question is one of prevalence, specific spins etc -- would both severely hurt Trump's chances and provide potent fodder for Democratic and super-pac ads attacking Trump in a way that could devastate his level of support. Yes once again the MSM -- and a WHOLE lot of other actors -- are pulling their punches

There are powerful interests that would not want to see the Democrats win, and an even wider array of interests who ABSOLUTELY don't want to see a Democratic blowout, but secularly this doesn't explain it.

In the 80s, I started pointing out huge gaps that existed in US politics that one would expect to find in a truly free market place of ideas, in a functioning pluralist democracy: why is there no massive, door-to-door canvassing national grass-roots peace movement in the US? why is there no (not necessarily quite as massive) no mass-based movement to end absolute poverty ("world hunger&quot , given that milliions of Americans since the 60s have taken at least one course in college or graduate school in underdevelopment, and provide a pretty sizeable base of interested Americans to build some kind of national organization, at least of the size and scope of Greenpeace? There are more meetings and actions in a month I noted in the Bay Area CA (where I lived at the time) around animals' rights than around absolute poverty and global ecological issues combined (now with the gradual emergence of some mass based activism on climate change several decades later, that might not be as clearly true). There are lots of other examples large and small, pointing to what I say are 'glass walls' of underground repression -- something I have observed and horrifically experienced on many ways -- comparable to the potent 'glass ceilings' in many spheres of life that we have heard so much about. While some major progress has been made on the glass ceilings, not so for the glass walls at all.

Press silence on key issues, including during presidential elections, falls into that mold. When 'doing the job' means justifying the lying for professional media generally, it puts a crimp on democracy to the point that it is rendered more theatric than reality, and something that would normally be impossible, like a Trump presidency, can be rendered possible or even happen

Let's hope that enough people from the grass roots in this instance ask the right people in the right fora, where's the reportage on that jihadi internet chatter in the mainstream press, to MAKE it embarassing not to have it

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. Thanks for your interesting, thoughtful post.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 07:39 AM
Aug 2016

I found your third paragraph particularly striking- and true.

riversedge

(70,191 posts)
6. Trump has actually been calling his campaign a 'movement'. I thought it was his
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 07:51 AM
Aug 2016

attempt to connect with Sanders supporters ---which we know he has been doing for quite some time now. I still do. (and no, I am not reliving the primary).

But the OP makes sense--in that many in the trump fan club are acting like a cult.

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