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wishstar

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Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:03 PM Aug 2016

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I hope this backfires. yardwork Aug 2016 #1
Wow! What a coincidence! kentuck Aug 2016 #2
Uuuh.... Glamrock Aug 2016 #3
That was my reaction too- but never misunderstimate stupidity of Repub gun fanatics wishstar Aug 2016 #4
We'll then Glamrock Aug 2016 #5
Change the interpretation zipplewrath Aug 2016 #6
But Trump and NRA hyperbolically claim Clinton will 'abolish' the 2nd amendment wishstar Aug 2016 #9
HRC is apparently against the Heller SCOTUS decision which was the ruling that... aikoaiko Aug 2016 #7
Being against a decision Glamrock Aug 2016 #8
its a bit of tautology either way. aikoaiko Aug 2016 #10

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
1. I hope this backfires.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:06 PM
Aug 2016

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
2. Wow! What a coincidence!
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:07 PM
Aug 2016

Not!

Glamrock

(12,003 posts)
3. Uuuh....
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:11 PM
Aug 2016

Am I wrong? I know the SC can overturn laws, but the ability to overturn constitutional amendments? Did I miss something?

wishstar

(5,829 posts)
4. That was my reaction too- but never misunderstimate stupidity of Repub gun fanatics
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:22 PM
Aug 2016

Every 4 years the NRA bombards us (here in NC) with robocalls and mail flyers trying to scare everyone that Dems are going to take away their guns (No matter how crazy that claim is, esp since Dems have never taken away anyone's guns) Meanwhile thousands of gun owners who already have an arsenal make a run on guns and ammo and swarm the gun shows to stock up even more.

Glamrock

(12,003 posts)
5. We'll then
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:28 PM
Aug 2016

Great minds think alike!

As far as what you said, I'm reminded of a quote from P. T. Barnum....

zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
6. Change the interpretation
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:45 PM
Aug 2016

If you've watched what they have done to the 4th amendment, you realize they can massively change the understanding of the simply worded amendments, and the original Constitution itself. Remember, it only took 10 years to go from "separate but equal" to "Brown vs. The Board".

wishstar

(5,829 posts)
9. But Trump and NRA hyperbolically claim Clinton will 'abolish' the 2nd amendment
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 09:04 PM
Aug 2016

as if Supreme Court can just eliminate gun rights completely

In the current political climate it is especially frightening and irresponsible for Trump and NRA to ramp up hysteria that could encourage gun violence

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
7. HRC is apparently against the Heller SCOTUS decision which was the ruling that...
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:57 PM
Aug 2016

...clarified that the 2nd Amendment protected an individual's right to own a firearm for lawful purposes such as self-defense in the home, among other activities, but the entire concept of the 2nd Amendment. Apparently.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-05-20/hillary-clinton-believes-pivotal-gun-rights-ruling-was-wrong-adviser-says

"Clinton believes Heller was wrongly decided in that cities and states should have the power to craft common sense laws to keep their residents safe, like safe storage laws to prevent toddlers from accessing guns," Maya Harris, a policy adviser to Clinton, said in an e-mailed statement. "In overturning Washington D.C.'s safe storage law, Clinton worries that Heller may open the door to overturning thoughtful, common sense safety measures in the future."

The stance by Clinton, the all-but-certain Democratic presidential nominee, carries potentially profound implications for the future of gun rights in the U.S.

In striking down a longstanding handgun ban in the District of Columbia, the D.C. v. Heller ruling marked the first time the Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment protected an individual's right to own a firearm for lawful purposes such as self-defense in the home.


...also...

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/trump-distorts-clintons-gun-stance/

Asked about Clinton’s remarks about the Second Amendment, Clinton campaign spokesman Josh Schwerin confirmed that Clinton was referring to the Heller case. He said Clinton “believes Heller was wrongly decided in that cities and states should have the power to craft common sense laws to keep their residents safe.”

“Of course Hillary Clinton does not want to repeal the Second Amendment. Donald Trump is simply peddling falsehoods and conspiracy theories in an attempt to divide the American people and win votes,” Schwerin said in an email to us. “Along with the vast majority of Americans, Clinton believes there are common sense steps we can take at the federal level to keep guns out of the hands of criminals while respecting the 2nd Amendment. She also believes Heller was wrongly decided in that cities and states should have the power to craft common sense laws to keep their residents safe.”


Glamrock

(12,003 posts)
8. Being against a decision
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 09:01 PM
Aug 2016

is not the same as assigning powers to the SC that they don't have.

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
10. its a bit of tautology either way.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 09:18 PM
Aug 2016

When SCOTUS rules that someone has a constitutional right protected by an amendment, then it is a constitutional right.
When SCOTUS reverses and rules that the amendment doesn't protect that right, then it wasn't a constitutional right in the first place.



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