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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnyone else noticed that without Senator Sanders, discussion of issues has all but disappeared?
I'd love to see more posts about Hillary's plan to lower Medicare age to 55, and give us a public option, than outrage about dumbf*ck Don's constant idiotic remarks....
CaliforniaPeggy
(151,489 posts)I had not noticed it.
But you're right. I would love to see more posts on those topics too.
But Trump is such an easy target.........and most of us would rather gossip.
It is a shame.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Both these posts, this whole thread!, are wasted opportunities by that standard.
Hillary addresses issues, usually local and regional, every single day. Perhaps you've only been listening to what the press chooses to show, the stuff you're complaining about in fact. You know how they do, but what are you listening to that you're missing all the discussion of issues? Everyone listening to her realizes very quickly why she's called a policy wonk.
As for DU, just pick one. How about discussing the issue of federal funding and organization to combat infectious diseases which know no state boundaries and will be spreading? Such as Zika? Hillary spoke on that just yesterday. The Republican House is holding up funding, of course. Should Democrats pass the House's bill with the restrictions on Planned Parenthood because containing Zika is the most important issue right now?
A bunch of issues there. How about states' rights versus federal power? The conservative desire to shrink government and federal taxation, thus federal assistance to states? God's role in plagues and the different party views on that? Climate change and spread of tropical diseases. Why the Republicans want to eliminate the National Institutes of Health? The role of hypocrisy in partisan politics? (Could partisanship survive without it?)
We would love for Sen. Kaine and others to end that filibuster and pass the bill, but it doesnt sound like theyre prepared to do that, said Don Stewart, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), referring to Clintons running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia. Apparently they believe an earmark for Planned Parenthood in the future is more important than preventing the threat of Zika now.
Still, Clinton is demanding that Congress pass a separate, $1.1 billion Zika measure that the Senate cleared earlier this year with nearly 90 votes, or a new funding bill that was free of politics, according to a Clinton campaign aide.
The Zika virus is one of the canaries in the mine, Clinton said at the Miami health center, and she added that its a test in how the government and the public deals with an epidemic because diseases are going to find their way here given the rise in global travel and climate change.
During her tour of the clinic, Clinton asked doctors and others about whos getting tested for Zika and what challenges they face in treating the fast-growing virus. She also noted that she has sent two campaign aides to Puerto Rico, another locale affected significantly by the Zika virus, for what she billed a fact-finding mission.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-congress-reconvene-zika-226821#ixzz4Gxwd07gm
George II
(67,782 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)All Hillary's speeches are on line and available to all.
Of course not all will be interested in her plans to make it much easier for small business owners to meet differing tax requirements in different locations, but for some it's of compelling interest.
George II
(67,782 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I love having a policy wonk to vote for who's famous for boring audiences with nothing but talk of serious issues. But not everyone feels that way.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)positions, and they have been posted and available for months. Since very early in the campaign.
So where other politicians are working things out and then putting them up for public review, they get press for that. She doesn't, because her stuff has been up and available for public review since early in the primary.
The fact that people mistake that preparedness and lack of drama for her not having policies or well publicized positions is very sad.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of issues for anyone, though. Both Trump's and Clinton's economic plan speeches were addressed mainly in terms of the criticisms each made of the other. Sad all right!
lillypaddle
(9,605 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and bridges, and the jobs that'll create? We could discuss that.
Here's an article that includes that and many other issues addressed in Hillary Clinton's 'Family First' economic plan explained. http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/10/news/economy/hillary-clinton-economy/
Poincare
(11 posts)That privatizes public infrastructure by giving banks the option to go in halvsies with any generated proceeds. We used to issue bonds and pay for the stuff, wholly owned by the commons. Her plan is just another take on socialize the losses and privatize the gains. Besides the IEEE has put our modernization cost at 6 Trillion dollars. We have virtually zero percent for borrowing costs and we have to cry poor mouth to pay for it. Yeah plenty of money for the war machine, plenty for our wall street casinos, but bupkus for the people who have to live and die with outdated and decrepit infrastructure. Let me tell you something. Our insurance industry is starving for safe low risk investments aka government bonds. The losses are starting to catch up and if things keep going the way they are, your premiums for any risk management policy are going to skyrocket. Metlife just posted a 2 Billion dollar loss, because they couldn't hold out any longer. The deflationary economy is coming if something doesn't change with our moronic governance.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)are taught to vet all sources used for papers for honesty and reliability. The reason for that had only a passing focus on not getting our papers handed back with failing grades. We were being taught the importance of using honest, unbiased sources.
But, on the issue of privatization, Hillary intends to put an end to the private, for-profit prison industry. Would you like to discuss that issue, Poincare?
Grahamhgreen? Want to discuss the issue of prison reform?
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)the authority to fund infrastructure. It is nice that Mrs. Clinton expresses her support. Without the US Congress and State legislators, nothing will come of it. "The answer my friends is blowing in the wind."
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)it won't happen either. We're electing a president who intends to make it happen if she can, as well as democratic legislators who want to make it happen.
As opposed to someone who'll build a road if they make it yoooge and name it after him and legislators who are committed to lowering taxes for the wealthy and opening public lands to profiteering.
Don't forget to take friends out to vote and dinner.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Great minds discuss ideas;
average minds discuss events;
small minds discuss people.
~Eleanor Roosevelt
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Many of us are discussing the issues.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And the OP and initial response were complaining about the behavior, extremely inaccurately, I might add, of a person who is not Bernie Sanders. NOT discussing ideas or events.
Do YOU have an issue you would like to discuss?
Squinch
(52,201 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I admire. "small minds discuss people"
Vattel
(9,289 posts)(especially because I have a looming deadline for an article on that topic).
stevil
(1,537 posts)Do you have an opinion on what to do about ISIL?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Total war would calamitous.
One of the things that has gotten lost in this election is how HRC and the Russian Foreign Minister signed a political solution to the civil war in Syria. It was Kofi Annan's plan and, because of Russia's relationship with Syria and our being onboard with it, there was international momentum to put it in place. Alas, Obama was caught on a hot mic talking to Putin making promises of easier political dealings after the 2012 election. Well, he started getting hammered over being too soft on Russia and Obama pulled the agreement Hillary signed. Now, we have what we have there: a total humanitarian crisis and worse instability in the region.
As for now, things with Russia have to change. Putin has dug himself in, he now wants to keep Assad whereas he was once willing to toss him aside because he views Syria as his toehold in the Middle East and it is a "stick it to the west" thing. There is no resolving ISIS without resolving the Syrian civil war. Assad can only stay in power with Putin's money and weapons. There needs to be a no-fly zone over Syria. First of all, it would allow civilians to get out of cities where they are sitting ducks. Secondly, it deprives Assad of air superiority which weakens him greatly. Would Russia tempt fate and see if NATO would shoot one of his planes out of the sky? I doubt it because he has no credible way of retaliating if the plane got shot down. What did he do when Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet? He did nothing because he certainly couldn't attack Turkey because it is a member of NATO. I don't even think he'd let it get to the point where HRC moved to put one in place because his cessation of bombing would be a humiliation too. He might be given the choice to save face, make himself look like a power player, and help broker a political solution to Assad before HRC moves ahead to implement a No Fly Zone. Without Putin, Assad has nothing.
As for Iraq, this is a situation of taking territory back bit by bit. Honestly, the problem with ISIS in Iraq isn't so much fighting them now because it is clear that when faced with actual force and conventional warfare, they break easily. The real problem in Iraq is what happens after ISIS. The people fighting on the same side to defeat ISIS have completely differing political agendas than ours. The Kurds are fighting them because they don't want to be exterminated and they will most certainly want their own state when this is over. That will not go down well. Almost everyone in the region, especially Turkey, will fight this tooth and nail. I happen to believe that the US must stand by them and broker a decommissioning of its rebel/terrorist groups on those grounds. A Kurdistan would be just and possibly stabilizing state.
While that is happening, there are political issues in Iraq which make it ripe for sectarian uprisings and militia groups. Sunni members of Iraqi society must be given and feel they have an equal shot and stake in the country. ISIS didn't just roll up and kidnap everyone. They were welcomed by a great extent by Sunnis in Iraq who were marginalized and abused by the Shi'a dominated government. How one resolves the religious blood feud surrounding these religious sects is beyond me. The hatred is based on genuine religious fanaticism, literal tribalism, and Iraq will continue to be a cite for a proxy war between Iran and the Sunni states.
Saudi Arabia continues to spread salafism via military attacks on Yemen (which we support), madrasahs, and financial incentives. As they see their influence with us wane and get insecure about any rehabilitation of our relationship with Iran, they may feel emboldened or angered to meddle in Iraq directly or proxy states in the Gulf. Then there's the fact that the Sunni states hate Iran and would be inclined to interfere via terrorism with another Shi'a dominated state. No, there won't be an ISIS style machine taking over cities, towns, and regions in Iraq, but sectarian violence will persist in some form.
As for ISIS attacks in the West, this is just ISIS lashing out because it no longer can put videos up of them rolling through cities in Iraq and Syria. They are losing badly in their so-called caliphate and are actively discouraging their followers from coming there. They are telling people who might be influenced by them that random attacks in the West are now more "blessed" than the previously more blessed mission to fighting in Syria and Iraq. They are essentially taking victories where they can get them by exploiting vulnerabilities in Europe, be it societal or intelligence.
Europe seems incapable of learning the lesson we learned after 9/11: intelligence sharing between agencies is vital to stopping attacks. Belgium's state intelligence apparatus are a complete joke and the state itself doesn't function well. But, Europol is a mess. There needs to be actual real time intelligence sharing between all member states of the EU. The EU functions as a single state in many ways, but not in intelligence sharing. If they had streamlined intelligence sharing not hampered by national borders, a few of the deadlier attacks could have been disrupted. This is a major problem. And, they don't seem to understand that certain prison populations need to be segregated. Almost all of the European nationals who've been ISIS inspired attackers have been involved in petty crime and radicalized in jail only to recruit others. Of course there is the abject failure of European states to integrate the second generation immigrants of people from former colonies or colonized states. I know Europeans like to deny they have a race problem, but they do. The issue on integration of second generation immigrants and opening up opportunities is an issue I'm not prepared to address.
These are a few ideas and issues surrounding ISIS and the Middle East. I am sure Donald Trump is equipped to know, understand, and tackle.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Puzzled by the last sentence though. Were you being sarcastic?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)We have to draw a line there and be willing to do whatever is necessary and just to defend them. I believe that they have a right to secede, and I hope they do so.
It is tempting to think that Biden's old three-state solution to Iraq is the only feasible way to address Iraq's problems. But whereas an independent Kurdistan seems doable, I have no idea how an independent Sunni state could be brokered. If Sunnis and Shi'a in Iraq must live together under a single government, maybe a new constitution is in order, one that would be less majority-rule because it would require more power-sharing between the two groups. As long as you have majority rule and the majority is Shi'a, it is hard to see how Sunnis won't end up being on the losing end of the stick.
As for Syria, I don't see how getting rid of Assad helps anything. Stability and gradual movement towards reform seems to me to be a better approach, but I welcome being schooled on this point.
Demsrule86
(70,703 posts)inwiththenew
(981 posts)Have all but disappeared.
Bob Buttons
(51 posts)In the news, for sure, that's the case. But as long as the news we're consuming is funded by ads, and as long as ad revenue is affected by number of views, we'll wind up having ratings-driven reporting. One reason I like the subscription model for news, since it shifts the focus away from clickbait and toward quality content. (Sometimes.)
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...I not trying to be flippant here, but I just don't understand the implied alarm or discomfort with what seems to me to be a reasonable thing. We have to win this election. And so we have to pay attention, for now and the next 90 days, to what Trump is doing and saying. He IS the republican candidate. And we did the same when Obama was up against McCain and then Romney. I didn't see anyone fretting that we weren't discussing issues back then--not when we were all shocked by Romney's "percent" remark.
So, why does this focus on the republican candidate and what he's saying (and what he would likely do if elected) lead you to the assumption that we aren't discussing issues, and/or will not discuss issues 90 days from now? Why do you believe without Bernie Sanders we've somehow lost our way and can't return to discussing issues until and unless he comes back?
I want to understand. Please explain.
madamesilverspurs
(15,992 posts)If that were the case, I wouldn't be having the vigorous discussions I'm enjoying.
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Laurian
(2,593 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)According to the synopsis at Daily Kos, Clinton talked about jobs, boosting small businesses, raising the minimum wage, the salutary effects of her economic proposals, and how as a nation we're stronger together.
So yeah, nothing about issues at all. At least, that's what we'll get from any reports the popular media may deign to file about her appearance.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)Hillary's voice is too high for some people to hear.
Auggie
(31,694 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Do you want more discussions about Sanders, or are you saying Sanders was the motivation for most discussions on DU, or it's something altogether different? I'm stumped; this thread could have opened the dialog you pine for, but instead, you're just as focused on Trump as everyone else, which is certainly appropriate given today's news.
stopbush
(24,592 posts)The platform is written, the conventions are over. The Ds spent 4 days laying out their platform and giving people a reason to vote for them. Sanders had unprecedented input into the platform. Hillary, Tim and their surrogates are on the hustings delivering the message of the platform to diverse groups of voters.
DU is behind our nominee and the platform. There is other work to be done that's more important than reaffirming what we've already affirmed. That work is centered on solidifying and expanding the base of people who will vote for Ds in the fall.
We're in the silly season that always precedes the debates. The debates usually center on issues (not a guarantee this year). That's the next opportunity for the issues to be discussed.
It has nothing to do with Sanders being out of the limelight. It's what happens every election cycle.
Just because you're unaware of what's going on doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,424 posts)Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)rest assured, once election consumated. It's not a problem.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Oh, I see you're from the Canary Islands. What issues are you involved in there, aside from climate crises, of course?
Have you checked the party platform against our nominee's own issues statements, btw? I haven't, but I know there's tremendous overlap.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)My point is that politicians, everywhere, tend to proceed as follows:
1. Elections! Say/ do whatever it takes to obtain power;
2. Now I'm in power. Completely different ballgame...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)only hope to accomplish part of what they want. Sometimes a very small part. Plus, they usually can't be at all sure ahead of time just what is going to be possible or to what degree and what's going to turn out to require far too much sacrifice of other goals.
Will we get control of the Senate? Or only a majority. Or not even that? How many House seats will we gain, and how will the Republican half's shrinkage affect their willingness to cooperate in order to get what they want? What new leaders and power blocs will emerge in and out of government? How about all the state offices that would come into play for certain goals? Or not? How about future judicial decisions that will make all the difference to some issues?
How about the effect of natural disasters on each possible goal? Terrorist acts? International economic crises?
These are not things we knew while we were choosing our candidate and making up our platform.
Nevertheless, taking a stand and putting all the desired and possibly achievable goals on the table not only has value in itself by saying this is who we are and what we want for our nation, but it is usually a very helpful and often just plain necessary step if they are to be pursued.
Oh, and let's not forget 2018, when half the people claiming to be concerned now and the facile cynics may not bother to vote and we'll be at risk of losing everything we might have gained in this election. That little reality will have a profound effect on what our political capital is expended on and when.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,424 posts)emulatorloo
(45,497 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Johnyawl
(3,209 posts)plus the republicans still hold the majority, so it wouldn't do any good anyway
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Be it resolved the Medicare eligibility age is hereby reduced to 55.
Johnyawl
(3,209 posts)They're in charge of the legislature at the moment.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)and remains in favor of it. She will get this done.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for certain groups. As a candidate, of course. She is not currently a legislator.
Would you like to discuss that, Grahamhgreen, or read Hillary's thoughts on it? Her proposal is called "Medicare for More." There are plenty of issues in that one topic alone. Nothing's free, after all, but there is a large group between 50 and 65 who are doing too well to qualify for Medicaid but not well enough to afford insurance without an employer contribution.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I still want to work toward that. Talk of Joe Lieberman today reminded me that his opposition was THE one crucial vote that kept us from taking healthcare reform in that direction. He'd agreed to a public option, an expansion of Medicare, and a plan had already been developed for that, and then he changed his mind.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)The tighter we can tie the Trump millstone around the necks of the Republican party, the better chance we have to re-take at least one chamber of Congress, and actually see some of the Democratic platform accomplished. We can talk issues until we're blue in the face between now and November, but if the GOP holds the House and Senate, it'll just be wasted breath, since they will stonewall any agenda of a Clinton White House.
Fla Dem
(25,330 posts)Without congressional support; senate and house, it will be very difficult to pass major legislation. I'm hoping the Trump shipwreck will move some RWer's to compromise more than they have done for the past 8 years.
msongs
(69,611 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... that's right. But, speaking from experience, whenever you buy a new house, that always takes up a lot of time.
Jakes Progress
(11,155 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Again, though, I don't understand this thread.
Just because the OP doesn't see HRC on the T.V. doesn't mean that she's not discussing issues.
This thread is ridiculous.
And the primaries are OVER! Looks like some people still can't get over it.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Bernie would be valiant in trying to keep things on track. But he'd be fighting off "commie" smearing from now until election day. Trump would find a new high gear.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)But the obvious common thing they have all done is to censor her message.
Because Hillary Clinton's 2016 message knocks all the loser candidates outta the ball park.
None hold a candle to her strength, her intellect, her experience nor her compassion.
Without slandering her character they have nothing.
Without censoring her message they would never have lasted as long as they did.
Which is why she abandoned the Press and big rallies and simply took her campaign directly to the people who waited to hear from this bright & accomplished woman.
And it worked beautifully.
Pryderi
(6,772 posts)Squinch
(52,201 posts)eissa
(4,238 posts)continues to make one bizarre move after another. Our media would rather cover the continuous garbage coming out of his mouth, than anything relevant the Clinton campaign is doing.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,424 posts)have other options. DU is a hodge-podge of discussions. People post direct links to Hillary's rallies all the time, and they usually drop like a stone. So, if discussion is your true intent, there's no excuse for not being informed. And on that subject, I don't remember DU being a bastion of real discussion during the primaries either. It was a contest, just like it is now.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)part of a year. And they are detailed and comprehensive.
If there is something the poster wanted to discuss, I wonder why he didn't discuss it.
This crediting Sanders for everything is obnoxious and dumb.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,424 posts)TomCADem
(17,629 posts)No difference. Hillary gave a speech about her economic proposals today, but all the focus is on Trump's request that some 2nd Amendment supporter take her out.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Squinch
(52,201 posts)Or does it not count if you haven't heard it in some kind of BS context?
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)At the beginning of the year I posted why I supported Sanders. He has a unique ability to always turn the discussion back to the issues at hand. Most of us go for the tit for tat! With Trump the media can now just cover the circus and the he said/she said.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511279878
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...wouldn't be happening if Sanders was the Dem candidate? Cause I really, really, REALLY don't believe for one second that the situation would be any different. With Trump as the other presidential candidate, Sanders wouldn't fuel any more discussion about issues in the media, or any more than what there is here than Hillary. It's pretty hard to discuss such issues when Trump keeps saying outrageous things that just can't be ignored.
If you meant, on the other hand, that you wish Sanders was still around making policy remarks contrary to those of Hillary that we could discuss here...well, I'd kinda sorta rather everyone would keep focused on winning the election first. If we can get through this, swear in Hillary and bid farewell to Trump, then, believe me, discussion of the issues will be back quick smart. No one has ever gone easy on Hillary, and I'm quite sure that, during her swearing in, there will be posts galore here criticizing her choice of pastor (like with Obama, remember?), her speech, cabinet choices, etc. And then there will be even more discussions about her first 100 days and what she'd said she'd get done, but failed to get done and what she should have gotten done...
Just think of us on break like Congress for the moment. We'll get back to our old tit-for-tat on the issues soon enough.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)And no matter who was running, Trump would get the attention.
Does the media do it on purpose or do Americans have such short attentions spans that they want to be entertained. I think a bit of both, but it is damn surely destructive.
At this point I think the objective needs to switch to taking out as many Republicans as possible so Hillary has a Dem Senate and a potentially a more sane House. Although I believe the pubs will not learn and continue to obstruct.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...if you got back to Jefferson vs. Adams, and read what one side said to the other in the newspapers (through surrogates, as it was considered uncouth for those running to attack each other personally), you'll find the back-and-forth letters remarkably like internet trolling--including being under pseudonyms! And the newspaper essays by one side or the other remarkably like some of the worst, most bias, most vile pundits we have today. Hannity's a cupcake compared to some of the late 18th, early 19th century commentators.
It was vicious, mean, personal, brutal. And barely at all on the issues vs. "entertaining." Of course, this was a period where fist-fights and, notably, duels weren't uncommon in the congress. Lincoln vs. Douglas debates were watched by picnickers as entertainment. Prior to television, this was drama. So, again, while I agree that the media, for it's first four decades (1960-2000 when Faux news influenced the Gore-Bush election) took elections very seriously and not as mere entertainment...and while I'll totally agree that being entertainment oriented is destructive....We can't really say, I think, that this is all that surprising. I think, alas, taking it seriously and focusing on the issues rather than the entertainment value was actually unique. Viewing it as entertainment seems to have been the norm from the get-go of our nation. We took a break for about thirty years, and have now gone back to what was much more common in the first 200 years of our nationhood.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)in the race?
Kay.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)since 2001
https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/senate-bill/623/cosponsors
and it continues to be addressed by her.
for more information about her proposals on health care, see here
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/07/09/hillary-clintons-commitment-universal-quality-affordable-health-care-for-everyone-in-america/
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)real danger. He could con enough dupes to vote for him on Bernie's messages!
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)What bizzaro world do you live in? Hillary has spoken about issues non stop. Trump just insults and denigrates.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)people do remember. Look it up. I will not waste my time on researching Trump. I just have a good memory and know what I saw in the daily spraying of Agent Orange.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)Squinch
(52,201 posts)FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)know nothing about.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)jobs offshoring, hollowing out of the middle class, etc. are not legitimate concerns?
I stand my be previous statement.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,430 posts)Post convention time and the lead-up to debates are pretty much the getting to know you period where the networks try to find drama to create interest. Trump is doing that all by himself.
What are the candidates doing, is the better question. As you can see, they're all hitting the campaign trail and going to meet various groups, rallies, and events, in order to present their case to people directly.
THAT'S where the action is.
If you're waiting for issues to be discussed on TV news, well, you're about 30+ years too late for that.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)opponent is self destructing like Hillary's opponent is,,,,, stand back watch with the rest of the world. Now is not the time for policy discussion.
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KMOD
(7,906 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Here. This site has a whole long list of speeches she's given on all her issues.
https://still4hill.com/
If you scroll to the bottom there are her speeches, on all her issues.
And her well written platform is all there at her website.
There's no reason for anyone to question where she stands. Unless they really aren't interested in the first place.
She had her platform in place when she entered the race.
Not just the what, but the how to get it accomplished.
I can't believe, in a Presidential election people rely on social media & tv news to make their decision for them.
The millions of supporters of her base know where she stands on issues. They took the time to find out.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)whose normal mode for years has been talking nothing but issues, problems, possible fixes -- instead of entertaining audiences with trivia. She loves that stuff. You would know that if you knew even a little bit more about her than you apparently do.
xmas74
(29,739 posts)I hate just talk. I prefer a policy wink because I want someone who takes their time, studies the issue from all sides and then develops an evenhanded plan.
It's not a sexy approach but it's what an adult does. The nerd in me, the little girl whom always got far too caught up in every detail, loves what others find boring about her. I don't agree with everything she says and does but I appreciate her thoroughness.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)she actually spent years running on and on with the policy discussions she loves and resisting pepping up her speeches with more "politician-speak." She was still boring gatherings with too much substance when she ran for the senate in NY.
xmas74
(29,739 posts)if the boring bits are stock full of details about the issue, what the plan is, why it needs implemented and how to do so. It's smart, nerdy girl, sit in front of the teacher at its best and I love it.
I don't want talk-I want action. I don't want half assed action, either. I want well thought out preparations that include every contingency available. She does just that. I love it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a few months ago, and she's very impressive talking to knowledgeable people about serious topics, a whole different level from the typical campaign speech.
Jakes Progress
(11,155 posts)But what fun is that?
uponit7771
(91,249 posts)... talking about the issues
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Andy823
(11,514 posts)It's not that hard to start a thread on any issue one wants to discuss.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Maybe just easier to start one asking why OTHERS don't do so lol.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Squinch
(52,201 posts)You'd probably be able to talk about it much more cogently if you watched some of Hillary's policy speeches, or read some of her very detailed plans and policy positions which have been available to you for the better part of a year.
Maybe if we got Sanders to read them aloud to you you'd be able to acknowledge them?
Squinch
(52,201 posts)support for someone who is not even in the race.
Kind of funny when you think of it.
Bernardo de La Paz
(50,402 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)uponit7771
(91,249 posts)DFW
(56,062 posts)Maybe some of the media is focusing on Trump because it's so easy. But after all, we haven't stopped thinking about issues, have we? And who said that we are "without Sanders?" He didn't shrivel up disappear, he just joined the effort to defeat Trump when he didn't win the nomination--nothing other than what Hillary did in 2008.
I don't recall him saying "never mind."
TacoD
(581 posts)rather than the issues is not in dispute. That Sanders has anything to do with it is very much so.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)This election isn't about the issues.
Very few people are actually voting FOR someone.....they are voting AGAINST someone.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)for Hillary Clinton! And I'm very excited about doing so.
Bongo Prophet
(2,728 posts)I love how the OP sets a great example of "discussing the issues" all through this thread.
Be the example you want to see, right?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 10, 2016, 07:33 PM - Edit history (1)
I'm one of them. I don't do exciting movements or follow leaders. I turn on to issues and competence in achieving them and am delighted to have someone to vote for who's spent years studying our problems and developing possible solutions because that's what she loves and what she does best.
If you're not easily bored by issues, you might listen to one of her talks to educated audiences. She can speak for hours at different levels depending on her audience.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The difference now is that there is less back and forth between Sanders and Clinton supporters attacking each other.
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Squinch
(52,201 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Which drowned out almost everything else for 4 months.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,395 posts)All too frequently.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I'm just happy to notice that many fake Bernie supporters (and they were fake) have moved on to infest other sites.
ismnotwasm
(42,395 posts)Looked at that way, it's just good news all around.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)TRump and the GOP are incredibly dangerous.
And we now have a chance to break the GOP into pieces ... take the Senate ... make critical gains in the House ... and that should be everyone's focus.
That's the only way we can ever enact the policies we all want.
ismnotwasm
(42,395 posts)In my state of Washington, we are hoping for a good Dem showing. However, I was just on the Olympic peninsula and saw my first (large) Trump signs, plus support for various republicans. Washington state is very purple in actuality--we can never take the hope of a Democratic congress for granted
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)they were hugging
Squinch
(52,201 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)I saved a few in my bookmarks, which I cherish like old violets.
uponit7771
(91,249 posts)SunSeeker
(53,280 posts)But if you want to talk about issues, why don't you just post a thread about an issue?
think
(11,641 posts)MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Maybe you go to another site and see something different. Nothing stopping you from bringing something up.
alfredo
(60,126 posts)She talks issues on the stump.
Trump is self destructing, and Hillary is doing nothing to distracting him from that task.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)"Just as planned."
Jakes Progress
(11,155 posts)Or you could actually listen to the candidate. You know, besides on the sound bite express.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)brought to you from the "we will decide when we have kicked him enough" crowd.
ismnotwasm
(42,395 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Most did during the primary as well. I can point you to numerous ops dealing with nothing but issues and you will find very few comments. That isn't something new or Sanders related as you claim.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512353651
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Would like reading a good book while a freight train crashes outside your kitchen window.
A time for everything. But what we are seeing now is unprecedented and will be discussed 100 years from now.
NotHardly
(1,108 posts)It is hard to get a word in edgewise on the media from the Hillary campaign for the simple reason the noise box that is Trump sucks all the air and space out of the news cycle. Maybe what you'd love to do is post media notes about the coverage of her campaign and what it is doing in the local areas where she is presenting... that would be useful rather than backhanded bashing.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Doremus
(7,263 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)When I clicked on this link there were about 104 posts on the home tab of Democratic Underground.
40 are about trump! That includes 4 out of the 5 posts highlighted in TRENDING NOW, 4 out of the 5 post under GREATEST THREADS concern drumpf. Of the 10 posts under THE LEFT COLUMN, 9 concern drumpf and one concerns the dying gop(The Tim Kaine story is about a letter from a lifelong republican and his concern about
. trump).
3
just 3 are about Nominee Clinton!
Keep in mind that 104 includes all posts, including those under COOL, GREAT READS, PLACES, that dont necessarily touch on the current election.
While trump is a moron, that doesn't mean that the republicans are going to just lose the House and Senate because of it. I think if anything they're going to cheat more than usual. How about the Clinton's Fifty State Strategy? I see some people talking about GOTV within threads concerning the election, but no threads concerning what DU'ers can do. Anything about republican/tea baggers planning to disrupt polls while "guarding against voter fraud"? Complacency towards republicans will lessen the chances of victory(which do look good if you're a Democrat) and may reduce the margin of victory.
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grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Great minds discuss ideas;
average minds discuss events;
small minds discuss people.
~Eleanor Roosevelt
ornotna
(11,022 posts)the - Have you seen the loons over at JPR posts.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)to see the loons in the next one.
ismnotwasm
(42,395 posts)*sigh*
LWolf
(46,179 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Is having a national meltdown people are rightfully worried about the fate of the nation and less about specific policy.
johnp3907
(3,828 posts)Just the opposite.
Vinca
(50,798 posts)I miss Bernie.
CentralMass
(15,441 posts)betsuni
(27,172 posts)Loki
(3,826 posts)IronLionZion
(46,782 posts)It's on C-SPAN and youtube if you want to watch Hillary and Tim discuss issues like health care and jobs every day.
Avoid Trump's videos.
R B Garr
(17,339 posts)Hillary hating, and now we're focused on the real enemy.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The walls.
lapfog_1
(29,831 posts)the overwhelming disqualification for high office ( or any office ) of one demagogue, Donald Trump.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)it tends to take up most your attention.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The issues including 'healthcare' were there last week. ?
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
TwilightZone
(27,106 posts)Then "Healthcare"
Not sure what you're seeing, but it's very easy to find.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Above is the main page of her website. main page was updated/changed a couple times this past week.
Along the top menu-bar is the link word "issues", that link doesn't go to any detail list of issues anymore for me.
perhaps the website works differently for cellphones or the list of 'issue details' is in a different place.
IMO the top menu bar should have the detail list of the main 'issues' very easy to find. perhaps you can find the "55 healthcare detail" and post it here for the OP.
TwilightZone
(27,106 posts)The links for the issue categories are below the picture on that page: All Issues, Economy and Jobs, Education, etc.
Click on any category and you should get sub-categories.
Click on a sub-category and you should get details.
For example, if you click on Health and then Healthcare, you should get this page:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/
Edit: the item about people over 55 being able to buy into Medicare is in the first bullet point on that page.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)"The links for the issue categories are below the picture on that page: All Issues, Economy and Jobs, Education, etc."
I get the main picture, with no "issue categories" below the picture.
But thanks for the link, your link worked fine. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/
Here is the "over 55" info for the OP
Defend and expand the Affordable Care Act, which covers 20 million people. Hillary will stand up to Republican-led attacks on this landmark lawand build on its success to bring the promise of affordable health care to more people and make a public option possible. She will also support letting people over 55 years old buy into Medicare.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)is in love with Donald Trump and won't cover her speeches?
Oh, I see.
THE PRIMARIES ARE OVER!!!!!!
Trashing this stupid thread!
Nitram
(24,214 posts)...Trump outrage. Trump's strategy worked during the primaries, but I believe it is working against him now. Don't worry, as so long as we get out the vote, Trump is just a (very nasty) footnote in our country's history. I don't know why you brought Sanders into this. If he had won the primary he'd be dealing with the same thing. But let's stop re-hashing that, OK?
66 dmhlt
(1,941 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Actually, here are some links to posts discussing Hillary's issues, so you don't have to search for them:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11389169
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512345881
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028084197
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512358290
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512357074
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512346720
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512350671
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016164437
And there are many more.
MineralMan
(147,181 posts)If that's the discussion you want, I suggest that you post some issues-related OPs. Right now, we're working on lowering Donald Trump's poll numbers, though. Electing Hillary Clinton in November is the goal.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)zentrum
(9,866 posts)It's a marked difference. Glad you said it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The primary is over--the bashing should stop, and this thread is a thinly-veiled bash.
We are in General Election mode, and the contest is against an orange moron named Trump.
emulatorloo
(45,497 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Squinch
(52,201 posts)about someone who hasn't been in the race for months! And then I'll throw out the name of an issue without any discussion of it!"
Such crap...
R B Garr
(17,339 posts)It's a pretty blatant bash, but we can't notice the obvious or posts get removed.
MADem
(135,425 posts)and creating jobs, among other "issues" at a rally that the cable news covered -- but I guess it's easier to criticize than to listen... or something!
emulatorloo
(45,497 posts)R B Garr
(17,339 posts)so we can concentrate on real issues instead of personal smears masquerading as "issues" -- I wonder how long that thread would last. Hmmm.
Squinch
(52,201 posts)betsuni
(27,172 posts)Lisa0825
(14,489 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)still_one
(95,152 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 11, 2016, 01:18 PM - Edit history (1)
Hillary's speeches and events which discuss the issues you want to engage
Pick up any paper
Today she will present her economic plan, she has also been talking about reforming student debt, and tuition free college, and a multitude of issues discussed schussed during the primary
Sorry but this is an empty thread, 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing'
Apologizes to Will Shakespeare
egduj
(837 posts)Gamecock Lefty
(708 posts)That's why I voted for her in the primaries!
still_one
(95,152 posts)if those that seem to feel that there is no discussion of the issues during the primary are even paying attention to what happens everyday on the campaign trail, and what is being talked about
In other words, last time I looked DU member can bring up any topic for discussion.
sheshe2
(86,358 posts)And the Primary is over!
obamanut2012
(27,517 posts)True supporters of BS are endorsing Hillary, and true HRC supporters welcome Bernie supporters.
We are all on the same side, and OPs like this do not help.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)In the primaries, Sanders made a conscious decision not to go after Clinton's "damn emails" or any of the other personal attacks that might have gained votes. Instead, he focused on their ideological differences. Clinton, expecting to win and not wanting to alienate the Sanders supporters any more than necessary, similarly did little to attack Sanders personally. (Of course, she had less material in the first place. Some of her supporters said Sanders's insensitivity to issues of racial justice was shown by his decision to move from New York to Vermont. I'm sure no one on Clinton's staff thought "Vermontgate" had any legs.) The media covered issues because neither candidate was giving them much else to talk about.
The general election is different. Trump has addressed issues somewhat -- such as his call to repeal Obamacare -- but his focus has been, shall we charitably say, less substantive overall. For Clinton's part, she articulates issue positions, as in the press releases and website pages that numerous posts in this thread have trumpeted. Nevertheless, in terms of winning over the undecideds or persuading Republicans to switch, that's not where the action is. Most of the voters who oppose huge tax cuts for the rich are already supporting Clinton. By contrast, tearing down Trump by attacking his personal lack of qualification for the Presidency promises a much greater reward. On top of that, the media, given the choice, will cover a juicy personal issue (be it "Second Amendment" remedies or Clinton Foundation emails) in preference to somebody's boring five-point plan to rebuild the infrastructure or whatever.
alarimer
(16,454 posts)I don't think this is an issues-based election anymore.
WhiteTara
(30,035 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)And it didn't have a damn thing to do with the primary. It was about the Democratic platform!