Wed Aug 10, 2016, 03:49 PM

Anyone else noticed that without Senator Sanders, discussion of issues has all but disappeared?

I'd love to see more posts about Hillary's plan to lower Medicare age to 55, and give us a public option, than outrage about dumbf*ck Don's constant idiotic remarks....

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Anyone else noticed that without Senator Sanders, discussion of issues has all but disappeared? (Original post)	grahamhgreen	Aug 2016	OP
Now that you mention it, my dear grahamhgreen...	CaliforniaPeggy	Aug 2016	#1
So talk issues. Or just listen to Hillary's speeches on many issues.	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#28
She's out discussing issues EVERY DAY. Sad that some who appear to be interested miss those talks.	George II	Aug 2016	#44
Umhm. It's 100% our own choice to miss or focus on issues.	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#46
That's my point. If people aren't aware of the focus on issues, they don't want to be.	George II	Aug 2016	#47
Oh, mine too, George. :)	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#49
So here is the problem of an ebarrassment of riches: she has such detailed plans and policy	Squinch	Aug 2016	#182
Sad for sure, Squinch. The TV news does very little discussion	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#200
Excellent post	lillypaddle	Aug 2016	#134
Graham, how about HRC's $275 B plan for new roads	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#48
You mean the Infrastructure bank plan	Poincare	Aug 2016	#76
No, that's not what I mean. People who go to college	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#78
No President has	saidsimplesimon	Aug 2016	#168
Too true to a large degree. Without presidential leadership,	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#171
Well, my dear Califirnia Peggy...	R. Daneel Olivaw	Aug 2016	#95
and what is your contribution to this discussion?	KMOD	Aug 2016	#103
My contribution is astute observation.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Aug 2016	#110
Not on ideas or events, however.	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#138
You think so? I don't.	Squinch	Aug 2016	#197
Eleanor is a woman	saidsimplesimon	Aug 2016	#169
I crave serious discussion about what to do about ISIL	Vattel	Aug 2016	#2
Honest question....	stevil	Aug 2016	#79
Only an ill-informed opinion that Obama's approach is roughly the correct one.	Vattel	Aug 2016	#107
Agree	stevil	Aug 2016	#115
Well...	Gaytheist212	Aug 2016	#142
Thanks for the post of the month in terms of serious discussion.	Vattel	Aug 2016	#172
I agree about the Kurds.	Vattel	Aug 2016	#173
The truth is there is very little we can do.	Demsrule86	Aug 2016	#181
Dicussion of anything other than Trump's latest comments	inwiththenew	Aug 2016	#3
In the news? I totally agree.	Bob Buttons	Aug 2016	#75
I'm confused. How serious a problem is this? I mean, really....	Moonwalk	Aug 2016	#164
Actually, no.	madamesilverspurs	Aug 2016	#4
Hillary talks about issues everyday! Trump and the media do not.	Laurian	Aug 2016	#5
Well, today in Iowa she was talking about . . .	gratuitous	Aug 2016	#8
But it wasn't out of BS's mouth, so our friend graham didn't hear it.	Squinch	Aug 2016	#183
^^^THIS^^^	Auggie	Aug 2016	#150
What is the correlation with Sanders you're referring to?	procon	Aug 2016	#6
What needs to be discussed?	stopbush	Aug 2016	#7
Thanks for that dose of reality. As you said, the Dems spent FOUR days "discussing" the issues. nt	Tarheel_Dem	Aug 2016	#15
The 'platform', a stepping-stone, gets jettisoned,	Ghost Dog	Aug 2016	#85
Sounds like you assume it's jettisoned already, Ghost Dog.	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#98
Vital issues.	Ghost Dog	Aug 2016	#102
Reality is that almost always politicians can	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#105
I have no idea what you're talking about?	Tarheel_Dem	Aug 2016	#104
Thank you, Miss Cleo. How much do I owe you?	emulatorloo	Aug 2016	#149
Has the legislation been written, sponsored, or introduced for loweringg the Medicare age?	grahamhgreen	Aug 2016	#16
of course not, the legislature is not in session at the moment	Johnyawl	Aug 2016	#17
Cmon, wouldn't take more than a day...	grahamhgreen	Aug 2016	#84
Call up Ryan and McConnell and tell them that.	Johnyawl	Aug 2016	#101
she sponsored it in 2001	KMOD	Aug 2016	#21
Allows buy in at 62. But this is great! Will show it around. Would love to have updated version.	grahamhgreen	Aug 2016	#87
Hillary HAS committed to lowering the Medicare age	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#83
Absolutely! The link above is very good!	grahamhgreen	Aug 2016	#89
Bernie's plan was called "Medicare for All," and	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#99
And, quite frankly	skepticscott	Aug 2016	#22
Yes, I don't understand why more people don't understand that dynamic.	Fla Dem	Aug 2016	#116
anyone else notice that Senator Sanders HIMSELF has "all but disappeared" nt	msongs	Aug 2016	#9
Now that you mention it ...	NurseJackie	Aug 2016	#32
Is he pulling a "Clean Gene" act?	Jakes Progress	Aug 2016	#59
He's buying his $600,000 house; can't be too focused on issues right now.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Aug 2016	#151
I see your point but Trump's lunacy would still prevail in the news	eleny	Aug 2016	#10
Some have borrowed her platform & some have called for her murder.	misterhighwasted	Aug 2016	#11
Be careful! This could be construed as bashing a democrat and will be deleted. n/t	Pryderi	Aug 2016	#12
You poor dear.	Squinch	Aug 2016	#184
It's hard to stick to the issues when one candidate	eissa	Aug 2016	#13
If it's really true that you want to actually hear what the candidate is saying, you certainly.....	Tarheel_Dem	Aug 2016	#14
Also, Hillary's policy positions and plans have been available to the public for the better	Squinch	Aug 2016	#185
"This crediting Sanders for everything is obnoxious and dumb."	Tarheel_Dem	Aug 2016	#202
False Premise. With Sanders, Media Focused on the Math	TomCADem	Aug 2016	#18
Is there a link to that speech? I'll definitely Rec anything with policy positions, thanks!	grahamhgreen	Aug 2016	#90
Here is a link to all her speeches - updated daily	ehrnst	Aug 2016	#133
Why don't you start a thread on that speech, since you want to discuss policy?	Squinch	Aug 2016	#186
And the powers that be win again	rufus dog	Aug 2016	#19
I'm confused. Are you saying that the focus here on Trump rather than issues...	Moonwalk	Aug 2016	#53
I think the media is always looking for the diversion	rufus dog	Aug 2016	#67
I don't disagree that it's destructive, but let's be real here...	Moonwalk	Aug 2016	#100
So you want to focus on the issues at hand, but your post is about someone who isn't even	Squinch	Aug 2016	#187
Hillary has been fighting to reduce the medicare age to 55	KMOD	Aug 2016	#20
Well... Trump seems to be discussing them! I hope Hillary is taking notice. That's the	FighttheFuture	Aug 2016	#23
Trump talks about issues?	Dr Hobbitstein	Aug 2016	#135
I know its hard to believe, but he does occasionally hit on things like free-trade, NAFTA, etc. that	FighttheFuture	Aug 2016	#144
That's very concerning. You should be concerned about that for us.	Squinch	Aug 2016	#198
I am. You should be as well. Don't be a typical lazy ignorant voter that exist om all sides.	FighttheFuture	Aug 2016	#203
You shouldn't lecture people you know nothing about on subjects you know nothing about.	Squinch	Aug 2016	#204
Just as you shouldn't dismiss legitimate concerns in such a sarcastic manner from people you	FighttheFuture	Aug 2016	#205
When I see legitimate concerns, I don't dismiss them.	Squinch	Aug 2016	#206
So you are saying that "free-trade"--Trade agreements as Treaties and all that goes with it,	FighttheFuture	Aug 2016	#207
My, my. What a big straw man you built for yourself there!	Squinch	Aug 2016	#208
Only in your mind.	FighttheFuture	Aug 2016	#209
August is all about the drama	Blue_Adept	Aug 2016	#24
When ur	Cryptoad	Aug 2016	#25
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2016	#26
Hillary has been running solely on issues.	KMOD	Aug 2016	#29
Uhm, if you say so.	cleanhippie	Aug 2016	#30
I like smilies, too	KMOD	Aug 2016	#34
Are you really interested? She's been speaking on issues all along.	misterhighwasted	Aug 2016	#40
I also say so. Hillary's a notorious policy wonk	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#51
This is exactly why I've always liked her.	xmas74	Aug 2016	#174
Me too, 100%. Despite the criticism some are trying to make stick,	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#175
I like being bored, just a bit,	xmas74	Aug 2016	#178
Yes. She gave a talk at Stanford about counterterrorism	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#179
Uhm, if you actually listened to the candidate.	Jakes Progress	Aug 2016	#61
Yeah, to those who don't hate her to the point of not paying a bit of attention you can see she's...	uponit7771	Aug 2016	#111
Issues are secondary ......stop trump is primary....	beachbumbob	Aug 2016	#27
So why not post an OP about issues?	cwydro	Aug 2016	#31
I was wondering the same thing	Andy823	Aug 2016	#65
True dat.	cwydro	Aug 2016	#81
Those pesky others!	Squinch	Aug 2016	#189
That's why I included the Medicare thing. Opting in at 55, and providing a public option are huge!	grahamhgreen	Aug 2016	#92
That's your policy discussion?	Squinch	Aug 2016	#190
Because the real motive behind this call for "discussion of the issues" was to push for	Squinch	Aug 2016	#188
The media loves the Trump slow motion train wreck for higher ratings than issues. . . . nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Aug 2016	#33
If you don't think Clinton is discussing issues you aren't watching/reading the same news others are	George II	Aug 2016	#35
Exactly.	DawgHouse	Aug 2016	#42
+1	uponit7771	Aug 2016	#112
No, I noticed no such thing	DFW	Aug 2016	#36
That the media prefers to focus on Trump's dumbfuckery	TacoD	Aug 2016	#37
That train left a LONG TIME AGO	davidn3600	Aug 2016	#38
I, and millions of others are voting	KMOD	Aug 2016	#43
I will also be voting with great satisfaction FOR Hillary, FOR progress.	Bongo Prophet	Aug 2016	#80
Indeed.	KMOD	Aug 2016	#82
100% WRONG. For millions it's ALL about issues.	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#74
Nope.	Squinch	Aug 2016	#191
No, it's exactly the same as when Sanders was in the race, issues-wise	oberliner	Aug 2016	#39
No, 45 talks about issues all the time.	DawgHouse	Aug 2016	#41
I see what you did there! ;)	Liberal_Stalwart71	Aug 2016	#152
Heh heh	Squinch	Aug 2016	#192
I see a lot fewer "Hillary's gonna get indicted" threads.	JoePhilly	Aug 2016	#45
Amen	Grassy Knoll	Aug 2016	#57
Well there does remain a...miasma...of "concern"	ismnotwasm	Aug 2016	#64
Yea ... but most of those are pretty weak and transparent.	JoePhilly	Aug 2016	#68
Me too	ismnotwasm	Aug 2016	#69
Its nice to have DU supporting Democrats again.	JoePhilly	Aug 2016	#71
So true	ismnotwasm	Aug 2016	#162
Thank god. No way Washington will indict Clinton. Last time I saw Christie and Hillary,	grahamhgreen	Aug 2016	#93
How are those two facts related? Is that you talking about issues?	Squinch	Aug 2016	#193
That and "Just you wait until CA!!11"	Starry Messenger	Aug 2016	#109
+1	uponit7771	Aug 2016	#114
No. Just less flame fests. And I don't miss that shit.	SunSeeker	Aug 2016	#50
So many issues discussed in this thread alone...	think	Aug 2016	#52
Without the primary, I see a lot less arguing and much more discussion on DU.	MichiganVote	Aug 2016	#54
It takes at least two to have a conversation.	alfredo	Aug 2016	#55
No	etherealtruth	Aug 2016	#56
As those of us familiar with Warhammer and Eldrad of Ulthwe like to say...	Shandris	Aug 2016	#58
Churn, churn, churn.	Jakes Progress	Aug 2016	#60
Now now, there have been plenty of posts about the important issue of BS buying a new vacation home	CBGLuthier	Aug 2016	#62
No.	ismnotwasm	Aug 2016	#63
Issue threads sink like a rock.	NCTraveler	Aug 2016	#66
Lots of education issues addressed. Thanks, NCtraveler.	Hortensis	Aug 2016	#88
OMG. 3 recs. We can do better, surely.	grahamhgreen	Aug 2016	#97
Talking issues right now	GulfCoast66	Aug 2016	#70
A Trump noise problem not a Sanders or Hillary problem... in the media	NotHardly	Aug 2016	#72
Issues here? No. GD16 has rarely discussed issues. nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2016	#73
I second that motion but we may as well hold our breath. nt	Doremus	Aug 2016	#77
I believe this post is about DU, not the media.	That Guy 888	Aug 2016	#86
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2016	#91
Just hoping this will lead to more policy posts....	grahamhgreen	Aug 2016	#94
Ain't gonna happen.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Aug 2016	#96
Well, that explains	ornotna	Aug 2016	#108
One not need to go off their own lake	R. Daneel Olivaw	Aug 2016	#113
So very, very true.	ismnotwasm	Aug 2016	#163
.	Squinch	Aug 2016	#194
As expected. nt	LWolf	Aug 2016	#106
Lol. No, I haven't noticed such things but given that Donald trump	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2016	#117
Nope.	johnp3907	Aug 2016	#118
We have regressed into the Batshit Crazy vs. Emails portion of the election season.	Vinca	Aug 2016	#119
Yes.	CentralMass	Aug 2016	#120
No.	betsuni	Aug 2016	#121
No.	Loki	Aug 2016	#122
What do you think they speak about on the campaign stops and town halls?	IronLionZion	Aug 2016	#123
No. But maybe it feels that way to some because the main "issue" was	R B Garr	Aug 2016	#124
It's hard to talk issues when there's a clown on stage lighting his farts on fire & smearing poop on	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2016	#125
There is only ONE issue now	lapfog_1	Aug 2016	#126
When the nazis are kicking down your door	workinclasszero	Aug 2016	#127
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/ <- yes, 'issues' detail seem to be missing from this link	Sunlei	Aug 2016	#128
It's still there. Click on "Health"	TwilightZone	Aug 2016	#132
Thanks, when I click the word 'issues' on the website, no detail of issues shows anymore	Sunlei	Aug 2016	#137
"Issues" just takes one to the main issues page.	TwilightZone	Aug 2016	#139
Thanks, the top menu link issues- https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/	Sunlei	Aug 2016	#143
It's Hillary's fault that the Corporate Media	Liberal_Stalwart71	Aug 2016	#129
Nope. What I noticed is detailed policy speeches by Clinton being overshadowed by the latest...	Nitram	Aug 2016	#130
No	66 dmhlt	Aug 2016	#131
Are you saying that there is no discussion here on Hillary's issues?	ehrnst	Aug 2016	#136
Anyone can bring up issues in an original post.	MineralMan	Aug 2016	#140
Yes. It's very odd, isn't it? If he wanted to discuss issues, why does't he discuss issues?	Squinch	Aug 2016	#201
Absolutely have.	zentrum	Aug 2016	#141
What does that even mean? I guess you haven't watched any of HRC's speeches, lately?	MADem	Aug 2016	#145
It means "all DU'ers are stupid low information voters except fo me"	emulatorloo	Aug 2016	#147
Mmmm hmmm! nt	MADem	Aug 2016	#148
Exactly! Also: "YOU PEOPLE never talk about important issues! To show how bad that is, I'll talk	Squinch	Aug 2016	#195
+1. Agreed, and "thinly-veiled" is being kind.	R B Garr	Aug 2016	#155
HRC just NOW gave a wonderful speech where she talked about increasing wages	MADem	Aug 2016	#166
No. But thanks for stirring the pot.	emulatorloo	Aug 2016	#146
+1, I wonder if I started a thread entitled, "Isn't it great Bernie Sanders is gone	R B Garr	Aug 2016	#154
Very good question.	Squinch	Aug 2016	#196
It would be like fireworks: a brief, beautiful burst of light, then nothing.	betsuni	Aug 2016	#199
The primaries are over. nt	Lisa0825	Aug 2016	#153
I've noticed fewer posts linking to HA Goodman. (That's good, right?)	NurseJackie	Aug 2016	#156
Is this an OP to bring up a false narritive? Almost everyday there is posts here linking	still_one	Aug 2016	#157
Definitely noticeable.	egduj	Aug 2016	#158
I already know where Hillary stands on the issues.	Gamecock Lefty	Aug 2016	#159
She is giving a major economic speech today, which will include tuition free college, et. I wonder	still_one	Aug 2016	#161
No.	sheshe2	Aug 2016	#160
We don't need anything to divide the HRC and BS primary supporters	obamanut2012	Aug 2016	#165
The media coverage is shaped by the nature of the contest they're covering.	Jim Lane	Aug 2016	#167
Well, Trump's idiocy has sucked all the air out of the room.	alarimer	Aug 2016	#170
No.	WhiteTara	Aug 2016	#176
It's getting pretty bad. This morning I had a post hidden for asking questions.	B Calm	Aug 2016	#177
NO I didn't.	Demsrule86	Aug 2016	#180

Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Aug 10, 2016, 03:51 PM

CaliforniaPeggy (145,020 posts)

1. Now that you mention it, my dear grahamhgreen...

I had not noticed it.

But you're right. I would love to see more posts on those topics too.

But Trump is such an easy target.........and most of us would rather gossip.

It is a shame.

Anyone else noticed that without Senator Sanders, discussion of issues has all but disappeared?

1. Now that you mention it, my dear grahamhgreen...

28. So talk issues. Or just listen to Hillary's speeches on many issues.

44. She's out discussing issues EVERY DAY. Sad that some who appear to be interested miss those talks.

46. Umhm. It's 100% our own choice to miss or focus on issues.

47. That's my point. If people aren't aware of the focus on issues, they don't want to be.

49. Oh, mine too, George. :)

182. So here is the problem of an ebarrassment of riches: she has such detailed plans and policy

200. Sad for sure, Squinch. The TV news does very little discussion

134. Excellent post

48. Graham, how about HRC's $275 B plan for new roads

76. You mean the Infrastructure bank plan

78. No, that's not what I mean. People who go to college

168. No President has

171. Too true to a large degree. Without presidential leadership,

95. Well, my dear Califirnia Peggy...

103. and what is your contribution to this discussion?

110. My contribution is astute observation.

138. Not on ideas or events, however.

197. You think so? I don't.

169. Eleanor is a woman

2. I crave serious discussion about what to do about ISIL

79. Honest question....

107. Only an ill-informed opinion that Obama's approach is roughly the correct one.

115. Agree

142. Well...

172. Thanks for the post of the month in terms of serious discussion.

173. I agree about the Kurds.

181. The truth is there is very little we can do.

3. Dicussion of anything other than Trump's latest comments

75. In the news? I totally agree.

164. I'm confused. How serious a problem is this? I mean, really....

4. Actually, no.

5. Hillary talks about issues everyday! Trump and the media do not.

8. Well, today in Iowa she was talking about . . .

183. But it wasn't out of BS's mouth, so our friend graham didn't hear it.

150. ^^^THIS^^^

6. What is the correlation with Sanders you're referring to?

7. What needs to be discussed?

15. Thanks for that dose of reality. As you said, the Dems spent FOUR days "discussing" the issues. nt

85. The 'platform', a stepping-stone, gets jettisoned,

98. Sounds like you assume it's jettisoned already, Ghost Dog.

102. Vital issues.

105. Reality is that almost always politicians can

104. I have no idea what you're talking about?

149. Thank you, Miss Cleo. How much do I owe you?

16. Has the legislation been written, sponsored, or introduced for loweringg the Medicare age?

17. of course not, the legislature is not in session at the moment

84. Cmon, wouldn't take more than a day...

101. Call up Ryan and McConnell and tell them that.

21. she sponsored it in 2001

87. Allows buy in at 62. But this is great! Will show it around. Would love to have updated version.

83. Hillary HAS committed to lowering the Medicare age

89. Absolutely! The link above is very good!

99. Bernie's plan was called "Medicare for All," and

22. And, quite frankly

116. Yes, I don't understand why more people don't understand that dynamic.

9. anyone else notice that Senator Sanders HIMSELF has "all but disappeared" nt

32. Now that you mention it ...

59. Is he pulling a "Clean Gene" act?

151. He's buying his $600,000 house; can't be too focused on issues right now.

10. I see your point but Trump's lunacy would still prevail in the news

11. Some have borrowed her platform & some have called for her murder.

12. Be careful! This could be construed as bashing a democrat and will be deleted. n/t

184. You poor dear.

13. It's hard to stick to the issues when one candidate

14. If it's really true that you want to actually hear what the candidate is saying, you certainly.....

185. Also, Hillary's policy positions and plans have been available to the public for the better

202. "This crediting Sanders for everything is obnoxious and dumb."

18. False Premise. With Sanders, Media Focused on the Math

90. Is there a link to that speech? I'll definitely Rec anything with policy positions, thanks!

133. Here is a link to all her speeches - updated daily

186. Why don't you start a thread on that speech, since you want to discuss policy?

19. And the powers that be win again

53. I'm confused. Are you saying that the focus here on Trump rather than issues...

67. I think the media is always looking for the diversion

100. I don't disagree that it's destructive, but let's be real here...

187. So you want to focus on the issues at hand, but your post is about someone who isn't even

20. Hillary has been fighting to reduce the medicare age to 55

23. Well... Trump seems to be discussing them! I hope Hillary is taking notice. That's the