Milwaukee erupted in violence last night following officer involved shooting

[PeaceNikki]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/us/violent-crowd-confronts-police-in-milwaukee-after-fatal-shooting.html?_r=0

Angry crowds confronted the police in Milwaukee on Saturday night, setting fires and throwing rocks, after an officer shot and killed a fleeing armed man earlier in the day.

One fire, at a gas station in the Sherman Park neighborhood, burned unattended while gunshots kept firefighters from extinguishing it. Other fires burned at an auto-parts store, a beauty supply company and a bank branch.

One police officer was hospitalized with a head injury after a brick was thrown through the window of his patrol car, Mayor Tom Barrett said at a news conference early Sunday morning.

The police made three arrests on unspecified charges during the mayhem, during which crowds of at least 200 people flooded the streets, said Assistant Chief James Harpole of the Milwaukee police.

Related: Wisconsin named worst state for black Americans - http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2016/08/05/wisconsin-named-worst-state-for-black-americans.html


The Coalition for Justice is asking the community to help clean up and support the good people in this neighborhood: https://www.facebook.com/justicefordontre/posts/1263120170406194

CFJ family we are meeting at Sherman park tomorrow morning at 8am to help clean up and pray for this city but also get out and talk to the community! Please come out and show support. Bring water and whatever you can to help this community they need love right now and it's are duty to give it to them!

[underpants]

1. Sheriff David Clarke where are you?

[PeaceNikki]

2. Firmly planted up Donald Trump's ass.

[dembotoz]

14. the tin horn only rules the freeways and the parks....oh and the county jail

his importance to the scene is over estimated repeatedly

[underpants]

16. Yeah

I posted that realizing that most Sheriff offices are in charge of courts and jails here in Va.

[pansypoo53219]

50. the goatee clearly shows he is from the bad star trek universe. USES the D for elections.

he will never get my vote.

[pintobean]

3. Hardly seems worth rioting over.

The police said two uniformed officers stopped two people in a car at about 3:30 p.m. on Saturday. The police did not provide details on why the car was stopped.

Both occupants ran from the car. During the pursuit, Mr. Barrett said, an officer ordered the man to drop his gun and fired when he did not, striking the man in the chest and an arm. He said the gun held 23 rounds.

The gunman, described by the police as a 23-year-old Milwaukee man with a lengthy arrest record, died at the scene.

The handgun was taken in a burglary in March, the police said. The officer was not named, but officials said he was 24 and had been an officer for three years. He was placed on administrative duty.

[PeaceNikki]

4. Cops are skipping basic protocol and move straight to lethal force.

About 600 hundred people were killed by officers this year. A vast majority got away with just a paid leave. POC fear cops every time they come around because they know reaching for their ID might get them shot.

Buildings and businesses are replaceable, lives aren't.

This reaction was not reasonable, proper or justified, but Milwaukee is in turmoil and LEO's deputizing themselves as judge, jury and executioner is not the answer, either.

"This is a warning cry," Milwaukee Alderman Khalif Rainey said. "Black people of Milwaukee are tired. They are tired of living under this oppression."

[pintobean]

6. I don't expect cops to take a wait and see attitude

when confronted with an armed person. We expect them to serve and protect, not to be targets.

[PeaceNikki]

10. Last night's events were not a result of the single incident yesterday afternoon.

[Bonx]

30. But they were violent acts that were completely unjustified

and accomplished nothing good.

[PeaceNikki]

32. I think we all agree on that point.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

29. But he wasn't confronted. The dead man was running away....

at least isn't that what the article says?

[pintobean]

31. Then, he would have been shot in the back

not the chest.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

35. the article is not well written

and most of these incidents the police almost always say there was a weapon pointed at them. This is not mentioned. Very odd........

[CRF450]

36. A no win situation for sure.

If they let him go and that individual later on kills someone, those LEO's are held accountable and can lose their jobs. They can not let a person get away who's brandishing a weapon no matter what because of that liability. Given the fact that the person killed has a long criminal record, I'd much rather they stop him on the spot, by any means nessisary.

[lapucelle]

75. Apparently it's not what the bodycam footage shows.

[SwankyXomb]

46. MurderKops shoot first and ask questions never

And since they're seldom held responsible for their actions, they get to do it again and again.

[PeaceNikki]

5. Aldermen Russell W. Stamper II and Khalif Rainey:

“This entire community has sat back and witnessed how Milwaukee, Wis., has become the worst place to live for African-Americans in the entire country,” Rainey said. “Now this is a warning cry. Where do we go from here? Where do we go as a community from here?

“Do we continue – continue with the inequities, the injustice, the unemployment, the under-education, that creates these byproducts that we see this evening? … The black people of Milwaukee are tired. They’re tired of living under this oppression. This is their existence. This is their life. This is the life of their children."

“Now what has happened tonight may have not been right; I’m not justifying that. But no one can deny the fact that there’s problems, racial problems, here in Milwaukee, Wis., that have to be closely, not examined, but rectified. Rectify this immediately. Because if you don’t, this vision of downtown, all of that, you’re one day away. You’re one day away.”

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2016/08/13/report-1-dead-officer-involved-shooting/88689152/

Stay safe and be strong, Milwaukee.

[Travis_0004]

13. And im sure setting fire to local business will improve the situation. . . .

Soon people are going to be complaining that there are no jobs in their community.

[PeaceNikki]

15. oh, ffs - nobody is arguing that the fires, riots and looting were helpful.

In addition, unemployment among African Americans here was TRIPLE what it is for whites before last night, so your condescending post is kinda ridiculous.

[PeaceNikki]

21. Watch this trailer - read the info on this page.

http://www.milwaukee53206.com/

That's the neighborhood in question

[uponit7771]

11. So after all the LEO shootings in you STILL think one incident causes this unrest? REALLY?!?!!?!

[Rex]

47. SO the guy must have turned around to shoot at the cop, how do you run away and get shot in the

chest? When do people need a good reason to riot? Most the time it is over a winning team etc..

[MrScorpio]

7. Thanks for adding the article that shows that WI is the worst state for black Americans

That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw that this happened in Milwaukee

[PeaceNikki]

8. The inequality, segregation and racial profiling here cannot be denied.

The north side where this happened is a heartbreaking mess.

[PeaceNikki]

9. Statement from the Coalition for Justice

What happened last night was not the result of greed or an ignorant display of anger as some have called it, but rather pain and frustration built up from over 400 years of oppression. The rioting and looting that occurred last night in the city of Milwaukee is a demand for justice on every level. We are one of the most segregated cities in the United States. We are the worst city for Black children to grow up. We are a city of inequities, of under-education, of unemployment, of oppression, of drug abuse, of violence.

What happened last night was a revolt and an uproar, not just a disturbance. The media has no problem to classify us at thugs, but have been reluctant to call a spade a spade. The people are angry. The people are fed up, and the people are demanding their freedom. The Coalition for Justice feels the pain.

Join us to clean up our community- to rebuild our community. To share love with our sisters and brothers, and to pray for our city.
Date: August 14, 2016
Location: Sherman Park
Time: Beginning at 8:30am

https://www.facebook.com/justicefordontre/posts/1263349917049886

This group formed to seek justice after the murder of Dontre Hamilton by Milwaukee PD.

[MrScorpio]

12. Thanks! nt

[elehhhhna]

19. Chicago urged people on welfare to move to Wisconsin back in the day

Better benefits, safer schools and neighborhoods.

[PeaceNikki]

20. That was to Madison, not Milwaukee. Huge difference. And 2-3 decades ago.

And it does not change the fact that in 2016, Wisconsin was named worst state for black Americans. Mostly thanks to the inequality and segregation in Milwaukee which contains nearly 70% of our state's black population.

[madokie]

17. Cops are going to have to learn

that just because they have a gun should not make for the first tool used.
People of color are not our enemies, their are our friends and families. Just as patriotic as any whites out there.
People of color has been getting the short end of the stick forever. every since their ancesters were brought over on ships and sold to the highest bidder. Why can't the people in power not see where the problem lies?
The problem lies in how people of color are treated and have been treated since day one. We can do better than this and we have to do better than this or we all go down in a big blaze

[Travis_0004]

18. We don't have any of the details yet

The police are claiming there was a body cam, so there should be footage. We don't know if the cop was in the right or wrong yet, but I'm sure we will.

[madokie]

24. In this case it matters not for what I was saying

IMO that is

[Matrosov]

22. Good

[PeaceNikki]

23. Not good. It's horrific.

[sarisataka]

25. Good??

You posted an opinion condemning Olympic shooting sports because they "glorify" guns which are used to commit violence. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028078410#post174

Yet actual violence, including shooting at firemen, is "Good"?

[Buckeye_Democrat]

26. Tsk.

Violence will beget more violence.

I'd like to see more police move to non-violent means to subdue criminals too, of course. I'm actually surprised that dogs aren't used more frequently to catch them. That would probably get the "dogs are better than people" folks stirred up when they get killed. Ugh.

[romanic]

28. Good for who? :/

[yallerdawg]

27. This morning when I woke up, channel surfing...

Fox News: RACE RIOTS, CITY BURNING!

HLN: Racism and sexism by sports commentators at Rio Olympics!

CNN: Trump said what?

MSNBC: Watch this Louisiana woman AND her dog get rescued!

One of these networks is a rightwing propaganda machine.

Or - only one isn't trying to elect Hillary Clinton?

[PeaceNikki]

34. No.

The violence was a reaction to violence. The mass incarceration, police killings and economic injustice there has gone on for years. Are you a fan of and support that shit?

[Buckeye_Democrat]

37. Police violence has been unjust in many cases.

However, those kinds of videos are going to create self-imposed segregation and "white flight."

If that's desired in those areas, then fine. There shouldn't be complaints about it later, though.

I'm amazed that mostly black neighborhoods don't have much higher numbers of black police. I would hope that would help alleviate some of the turmoil.

Not to mention bad economic conditions that's surely playing a role too.

[PeaceNikki]

38. Honey, white flight happened there forty years ago.

http://www.milwaukee53206.com/

That's the neighborhood in question

[Travis_0004]

39. Sherman Park is 89% Black

There were reports last night of people targeting and assaulting white people, so I imagine the 6% of whites would like to leave if they had the means to do so.

[CRF450]

42. White people were definitely targeted

https://m.

[PeaceNikki]

45. You post two fucking minutes of violence that's gone on for decades in a neighborhood in turmoil

With hopes of demonizing them and making them into the racists??! Hosted by a fucking right wing loon, I might add.

Fuck that.

Seriously. Just fucking stop.

[CRF450]

63. Just showing what's confirmed to have happened last night.

I don't mean to demonize with it. But it shows reverse racism does happen, I've experienced it myself in the past as a white male, and these youngsters are not helping their cause by attacking random whites. If anything, they scared those white motorists into probably casting their vote for Mr. Frump. You know full well all of Faux News is going to use that clip for a while.

[PeaceNikki]

64. It wasn't BLM. Your source is a piece of shit. Why do you propogate

that shit here?

[CRF450]

65. The video spoke for itself in response to Travis_0004. Nt

[PeaceNikki]

67. Your source is a piece of shit and has no place here.

You're literally trying to use it to change the focus and make it about the poor oppressed white man.

Fucking disgusting.

[PeaceNikki]

68. Also, reverse racism is bullshit

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025234507

[Ace Rothstein]

70. Anyone can be racist.

The term reverse racism is stupid because it is just flat out racism.

[PeaceNikki]

72. Disagree. Anyone can be a bigot. Racism is systematic oppression.

Read the article in the link I posted.

[CRF450]

73. I won't use the term "reverse racism" again.

I still stand by two occasions I've experienced in the past of being beaten by multiple black men simply for not looking like I fit in.

Will I ever know what it's like to be black? No, never will. I've never grown up in a poor part of a city with dark skin, and have never been bothered by police except when I truly did step out of line.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

41. Thanks for the link!

Just so you know, I live in a mostly white community in Ohio.

I was shocked by how police treated people in Newark, NJ as shown in this PBS Frontline episode titled "Policing the Police": http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/policing-the-police/

People there were frisked for weapons and drugs simply because they "looked" suspicious. It's like they were already in prison! The cops around here linger around poor neighborhoods more frequently than others, but I've never seen that kind of behavior!

More education about that sort of thing strikes me as more effective than rioting. I've met many white people who see riots, and they just treat them as affirmation of their racial stereotypes.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

43. What do YOU think would help? n/t

[pintobean]

40. Black police are in high demand all over the country.

Many of them go to higher paying entities, like federal agencies and state police. High crime cities rarely pay very well. I can't blame anyone for seeking a higher paying, and lower risk, job.

[loyalsister]

44. It's no accident that there aren't as many as there should be

When that point was raised in MO after Ferguson, someone pointed out that it wasn't an option in most cases because that many had been arrested and were not eligible.

With just 21,000 residents, Ferguson issued a staggering 32,975 arrest warrants for at least 16,000 different people. Not just parking tickets, Ferguson averaged 567 non-traffic related court cases per 1,000 residents—far and away the highest of any town in the state and more than twice as much as the town with the second highest average. To put that into perspective, the city of St. Louis had 80 non-traffic court cases per 1,000 residents and that's actually above the state average for Missouri.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/3/16/1371220/-Ferguson-an-Apartheid-Police-State-21-000-residents-w-a-staggering-16-000-open-arrest-warrants

White supremacy and racial profiling drive the condition of having white cops policing people of color. It turned out that the STL police departments were exceptionally racist and white cops requested to be in majority black cities. The Jennings police dept. was so racist it was disbanded.

Missouri is not unique in having police forces that are dominated by a culture of white supremacy. It's happening all over the US and (as Will Smith pointed out) the only thing new is that it is being filmed. The injustice is minimized and all of the solutions offered by white people seem to put the onus on people of color to solve the problem of their own aggression and bigotry.

OF COURSE people are angry and sick of it.

[pintobean]

53. Simply being arrested doesn't disqualify one.

Minimum qualifications for St. Louis County:

Must be free from conviction of a Felony. A Class “A” Misdemeanor conviction will be
cause for immediate dismissal, unless otherwise directed by the Chief of Police.

http://www.stlouisco.com/Portals/8/docs/Document%20Library/police/Careers/129537A.pdf

Class A Misdemeanors include possession of up to 35 grams of marijuana, false imprisonment, domestic assault in the third degree, and shoplifting items valued at less than $500.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/missouri-misdemeanor-crimes-class-and-sentences.htm

These types of crimes would be handled in the county court system, not the municipal courts.

[loyalsister]

58. The state requirements are stricter

In order to work in law enforcement in the state of Missouri, whether that means working for the Missouri State Highway Patrol, as a county sheriff’s deputy, or as a cop for a city police department, a recruit must meet the minimum peace officer licensing standards as set by POST. New recruits must:

Be at least 21 years old
Be a citizen of the US
Hold a high school diploma or GED
Graduate from an authorized state basic law enforcement training academy
Pass the Missouri Peace Officer License Exam
Not have a criminal history

http://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/states/missouri/

[pintobean]

60. "Not have a criminal history"

That's what I defined. Arrests do not make a person a criminal, convictions do.

[loyalsister]

66. "Criminal history" is vague

and locales can and they certainly do what they want with it. I don't think you have any clue what that city and the majority white cops were doing to their citizens. Worse, you want to minimize it.

[pintobean]

69. I live in St. Louis.

I know a lot of cops from all over the area - male, female, minority and white. I know what the requirements are. You said "arrests" disqualified black applicants. That's simply wrong. But you can't admit that, and chose to attack me instead.

[loyalsister]

71. Chesterfield?

I didn't learn about it from just anyone. How many residents of Ferguson do you know well enough to call friends? How many people have you talked with who have made the inquiries both to administrators and people who have applied?

[pintobean]

74. Read it again.

Does it say I live in Chesterfield?

Two friends live in Ferguson, both are black women. Why would that matter?

[HereSince1628]

48. The LEO who shot the man yesterday was black

according to a breaking news banner on the story at jsonline

[Buckeye_Democrat]

49. Thanks for the info! n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

52. That's not going to go over well. Nt

[KMOD]

59. Not relevant.

The issue isn't that white police officers are using excessive force against black men, it's that police officers are using excessive force against black men.

[pintobean]

61. Lol. It's very relevant.

[KMOD]

62. How so?

[lostnfound]

51. At least the cops didn't make it worse with brutal crowd control

Chief Edward Flynn is saying that there was no use of force by police in crowd control -- no weapons were used and no tear gas either -- in spite of shots fired and one 16 year old girl was shot, and violence by crowd.

Also he was asked the race of the cop by the press, he said it was an experienced AA cop.

[PeaceNikki]

55. Flynn is generally a decent man who sticks his foot in his mouth occasionally

He's not afraid to fire cops who use lethal force which violates protocol. He was sued for firing the cop who killed Dontre Hamilton. And he won.

[PeaceNikki]

56. Typical of what or whom?

[Starry Messenger]

57. Thank you. K&R