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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums24-hour poll: Does DU need judges as well as juries?
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3 (23%) |
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10 (77%) |
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DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)so crap like this will be removed when the jury fails.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002810596
boppers
(16,588 posts)Why give one person to the power to over-ride 6? Why even have juries?
Warpy
(111,319 posts)Even numbered juries are a bad idea.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)was the tiebreaker?
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)because of the possibility of a tie.
Occulus
(20,599 posts)EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Seriously, how big a problem is it?
Occulus
(20,599 posts)That said, I've been seeing numbers greater than one instead of zeroes lately under the names of low-count trolls who have been PPR'd in the "Number of times served on a Jury" spot, and that bothers me.
RC
(25,592 posts)The DU jury system was weighted towards leaving posts on purpose. It is not a fluke, not a flaw of the DU jury system, but by design to have an even number of jurors. I think it was a very good idea.
I really don't understand why people seem to have so much trouble with this concept. It works. But I have noticed that people that like to hide other peoples post, do have a problem with the even numbered jury.
Anyway, don't like it, take it up with Admin.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)johnnie
(23,616 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I ventured in there the other day and was ASTOUNDED at the activity. Meanwhile, Good Reads is ignored like the red-headed stepchild.
Occulus
(20,599 posts)failure to comply with TOS
IOW, things a judge does.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)The alerter is the prosecutor. It's up to him/her to notify the court of these violations - check the TOS box.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Occulus
(20,599 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)And when it comes to jury results? Tie goes to the runner!
agent46
(1,262 posts)Judges, Juries and Executioners
Occulus
(20,599 posts)And MIRT really does do a fantastic job.
Son of Gob
(1,502 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Son of Gob
(1,502 posts)gkhouston
(21,642 posts)And they probably wish this place were a little less like "Night Court".
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)the jury system forces consideration by a more diverse group. Volunteer moderators were a self-selecting group with a predisposition to certain beliefs that were not representative of the community as a whole, much like HOA board members.
Rhiannon12866
(205,830 posts)Juries don't have a set of rules to go by, so it's much more subjective. I think that's where the disagreement's coming from...
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I much prefer "I know it when I see it" consensus, there was one moderator who was more or less guardian angel to a particular individual who seems to have left our company and would delete anything where he was getting called out on his bullshit. Practically shutting down debate on that issue since he would thread crap every discussion.
Rhiannon12866
(205,830 posts)Sure, we'd debate things, and would sometimes disagree, but it was over our interpretation of the rules. Myself, unless it was a serial disruption, I often didn't notice who the poster was because I was too busy evaluating so many alerted posts. We all just tried to be fair and keep up... I know some members believe that we "played favorites" or let certain issues slide, but I never saw it on my side of the fence.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)IDC if it is a judge, admin, or another jury(but an uneven number jury) some system where ties don't get to remain unhidden.
Javaman
(62,532 posts)This desire to have a tiebreaker seems like a solution in search of a problem.
GAC
Javaman
(62,532 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)No need for your put down.
Javaman
(62,532 posts)you answered with a single word with no explanation.
I was kind.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)But neither was it when there were mods. People are up in arms pissing and moaning about the one particular OP which was misogynist. While I agree it was bad, some of the responses were just as bad if not worse. If I slap you and then you slap me back we are both at fault. The same thing can be said for what happened over on that thread with a few people (note: I didn't post on that thread at all).
Occulus
(20,599 posts)Oh, it's a moight more than just the one.
That OP did not prompt this poll, but rather the spate of "bad" jury decisions lately.
I happen to believe the default 3-3 "leave it" position is a very large part of the 'problem', if there is one. Hence my question.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Because I'm not on every single day. I may log on one day and not log on again for a week.
There was one particular thread today that people were upset about. I understand people are trying to alert on an OP, but if a jury doesn't go their way it's no reason to throw a fit.
I've served on two juries, one quite a long time ago and one tonight. The jury I was on tonight wasn't about an OP but a response and it was 6-0. People can piss and moan about it, but 6 people chose to hide a post that was as bad as the OP itself.
Occulus
(20,599 posts)where I sat on a jury over an alert sent for "screwing up the format" (a direct quote).
A Judge could have simply thrown that out and not bothered anyone with it. Now we'll have a Meta thread over the "silly alert".
BTW, I don't think the system that's been set up is broken so much as that it's incomplete. We have juries, a supreme court, and executioners as things are. It looks, to me, as though there's just one piece missing.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)When someone doesn't like a "Judge" will come the call for a DU Supreme Court after which we can argue over how many SCJ's there shoud be.
Occulus
(20,599 posts)FSogol
(45,514 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,468 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)davsand
(13,421 posts)I was not involved in any way with the thread cited in the OP. I have looked at the thread and its premise is not anything I agree with. Having said that, I have to admit that I don't think I'd have voted to delete the post had I been on that jury.
While I think the thread's premise is full of crap and one of the dumbest things I've seen in a while, it seems more appropriate to me to let the community have at it in the thread rather than censor it. Stupid is not forbidden here last time I checked.
Laura
Rhiannon12866
(205,830 posts)Response to Occulus (Original post)
Tuesday Afternoon This message was self-deleted by its author.
KatChatter
(194 posts)and moderation limited to spam removal and threats of physical violence only.
Keep allowing people to block whom they want.
You asked.
I emphatically agree.