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Fri Aug 19, 2016, 03:07 PM

 

So, tell me again why I should hunt with a rock, a long bow ...or a spear.

Am I not up to the manly challenge? What are you afraid of? Why don't you play fair? Where is the skill, the challenge?

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Reply So, tell me again why I should hunt with a rock, a long bow ...or a spear. (Original post)
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 OP
LanternWaste Aug 2016 #1
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underpants Aug 2016 #2
Fla_Democrat Aug 2016 #4
IADEMO2004 Aug 2016 #53
TreasonousBastard Aug 2016 #3
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #17
Xolodno Aug 2016 #32
ronnie624 Aug 2016 #58
Brickbat Aug 2016 #67
ronnie624 Aug 2016 #83
Brickbat Aug 2016 #86
That Guy 888 Aug 2016 #80
underahedgerow Aug 2016 #57
TipTok Aug 2016 #60
Adrahil Aug 2016 #63
Vattel Aug 2016 #90
Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #5
JoePhilly Aug 2016 #6
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #15
Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #7
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #20
Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #23
awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #38
HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #62
NightWatcher Aug 2016 #8
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #11
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #64
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #66
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #88
ileus Aug 2016 #70
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #81
Lance Bass esquire Aug 2016 #9
Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #10
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #14
63splitwindow Aug 2016 #12
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #13
PJMcK Aug 2016 #52
Recursion Aug 2016 #16
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #34
flamin lib Aug 2016 #19
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #21
sarisataka Aug 2016 #22
linuxman Aug 2016 #26
Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #51
bluedigger Aug 2016 #24
linuxman Aug 2016 #25
Hoyt Aug 2016 #27
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #29
Hoyt Aug 2016 #31
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #35
safeinOhio Aug 2016 #28
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #30
dilby Aug 2016 #33
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #36
HERVEPA Aug 2016 #37
Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #39
HERVEPA Aug 2016 #41
Rex Aug 2016 #40
EX500rider Aug 2016 #42
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Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #56
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Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #85
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Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #87

Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 03:09 PM

1. Whatever it takes to receive maximum entertainment from killing a bear, have at it.

Whatever it takes to receive maximum entertainment from killing a bear, have at it.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:22 PM

18. I prefer an appropriate rifle. Fun? Folks love the meat!

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 03:16 PM

2. Me: flamethrower

You can eat it right there.

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Response to underpants (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 03:24 PM

4. There's no place to

There's no place to attach the bayonet.





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Response to Fla_Democrat (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 04:48 PM

53. This is one of my all time favorites

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 03:18 PM

3. Why hunt at all? We have supermarkets.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:20 PM

17. I once saw a cow squeezed from a huge ketchup spritzer at Safeway.

 

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:44 PM

32. I know some people...

...who supplement their protein intake via hunting. If they didn't, they would be eating a lot more ramen. Don't make enough to each much meat, but make too much to qualify for assistance.

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #32)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 01:05 AM

58. Sorry, but I'm always highly skeptical of that claim.

In fact, I don't believe it for one second.

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Response to ronnie624 (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:32 PM

67. Which claim are you objecting to?

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #67)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 05:07 PM

83. There is only one,

That someone in the US has to hunt to eat.

And I don't object to the claim, I simply don't believe it.

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Response to ronnie624 (Reply #83)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 06:01 PM

86. Well, it certainly depends on what you mean "has to" and "eat," I guess.

I do know people for whom deer season is the difference between a pleasant winter and an unpleasant one, though.

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Response to ronnie624 (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:17 PM

80. It's possible in red States

 

They always try to reduce the number of people getting assistance, but not the conditions that lead to people requiring assistance. I imagine the people supplementing their meat intake either have reasonably priced hunting permits or poach. I suppose if you have the skills necessary it's an alternative to going vegan.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:45 PM

57. Exactly. Indulging in pre-evolutionary practices for the procurement of foods that are

readily available in shops and markets is just, well, counter-evolutionary.

Find another amusement that doesn't involve the torture and slaughter of animals. Just sayin'.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:15 AM

60. Poe's law strikes again...

 

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 06:05 AM

63. Here's two reasons.

 

1) one reason people hunt is becuase it is for a source of inexpnsive food. If my sisters family doesn't get a deer or two, they don't get much in the way of meat.

2) with the destruction of most natural predators, hunting is necessary to ensure ecological balance. If deer become overpopulated, they destroy local food sources and the deer population starves, the destruction of food sources further impacts the local food chain.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #63)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 08:24 PM

90. and then there are all the assholes who just do it for fun

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 03:24 PM

5. Hunting doesn't appeal to me...

... unless I REALLY need the food.

If I hunt, I'm certainly going to take advantage of the fruits of human intellect when I do it. It's the only trait that gives humanity an advantage.

That's also why most athletics mean so little to me. Give me the strongest man in the world and place him naked against an adult Bengal tiger or grizzly bear. A lot of good those muscles will do him!

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 03:25 PM

6. Mountain climbers know that the mountain might kill them.

Me ... I hunt cows ... in their natural habitat ... at the supermarket.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:18 PM

15. Heh-heh. I think the biggest hunting danger is a heart attack, dragging out a deer.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 03:26 PM

7. This is what I hunt with.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:29 PM

20. Nice equipment. On occasion, I meet shutterbugs in the woods. Most seem aware

 

that the land they are on is often paid for by hunters & fishers through various special permits, taxes and fees. Some even pay for the federal "duck stamp," though they do not hunt (birders are esp. prone to taking an extra responsible step). Good habitat for game is good habitat for all flora and fauna.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:01 PM

23. Not my pic, unfortunately.

I do own an A7, but the 70-200mm F/4 is still on my Christmas list.

Wildlife photographers have a lot in common with hunters, though. Hunting isn't my bag of tricks, but I understand why people do it.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 06:53 PM

38. I hope to, one day

 

have similar equipment to go on an African "safari" with.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 05:23 AM

62. That'll get you longer hunting seasons for more species, too.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 03:34 PM

8. You want a fun hunt? Come to work with me. I hunt people.

I'm a private eye. I'm working a guy right now. He's embezzled quite a sum and has multiple firearms. He's running from me while staying in town to make a deal. I'm not supposed to do anything but video the players in the deal, send it to a lawyer, and get out of town.

Hunt bad people. It's way more fun than a dumb animal that hasn't done anything to you.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:09 PM

11. If you oppose hunting, fine. But some antis need to get their emotions/prejudices

 

in some working order. BTW, animals (last I heard) have not bought into humans' need for justice and retribution. Thank god, no? Who wants to burden them with that?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 06:24 AM

64. Ernest Hemingway:

"There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #64)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:26 PM

66. I guess the key there is "...and liked it..."

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #66)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 07:52 PM

88. I don't know if I'd like it; I do know I wouldn't like hunting anything that couldn't shoot back.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:40 PM

70. Do you eat him after you harvest him?

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Response to ileus (Reply #70)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:21 PM

81. What an African-American Rosewood, FL pogrom victim asked a white lynch mob member

 

just before he was murdered, throwing into the mob's faces the old backwoods credo.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 03:59 PM

9. I fish.

 

I have state of art gear.

A worm on a hook.

Checkpoint advantage goes to the fish.

Most of the time i just drown worms all day .

Why it's called fishing and not catching.

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Response to Lance Bass esquire (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:06 PM

10. LOL! Me too. n/t

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Response to Lance Bass esquire (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:16 PM

14. Ha!

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:11 PM

12. You seem to have confused hunting with carrying an AR-15 to a political rally. Why?

 

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Response to 63splitwindow (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:16 PM

13. You seem simply confused.

 

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Response to 63splitwindow (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 04:30 PM

52. Your statement is confusing

The OP was about hunting without a gun. Please explain your leap to "carrying an AR-15 to a political rally."

Thanks, in advance.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:19 PM

16. I've bowhunted before. Only deer though

I really don't get people who do primitive hunting on bears.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:51 PM

34. Atlatls, and presumably other spears, are legal means in MO and AL...

 

I don't know if those states have bear seasons, but there are plenty of deer a feral hogs. Much of the distaste for hunting comes, I believe, from the hoopin' and hollerin' and the high-five stuff that some feel compelled to engage in when a kill is made. I certainly am gratified when a deer I shoot goes down quickly with no need for a search, but why the Daytona beach party stuff has to infect the woods is beyond me. I do have reservations about spears, but much of the decision-making around legal means will probably come from one side's data on recovered game vs another's. Pretty murky area.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:29 PM

19. I have it on good authority that hammers are more dangerous than rifles.

Hunt with a hammer. Lots of gunners tell me that hammers kill more people than rifles so surely they are equally devastating against game animals.

Of course if your are too afraid to leave your house without a gun on your person perhaps you might want to man up and get a black belt so you can use your fists against the game you seek---gunners tell me that fists kill as many people as rifles so they must be equally dangerous to animals, right?

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Response to flamin lib (Reply #19)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:33 PM

21. Well, the topic is hunting WITHOUT a gun. Did you clear your post with GD hosts?

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 04:35 PM

22. Are there any restrictions

On hunting with a can of beans?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:09 PM

26. Not for thieves.

 

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 04:27 PM

51. I have it on good authority that

 

Cans of beans are a very effective weapon and delicious too.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:06 PM

24. I like pitfalls, myself.

Sometimes, when I'm feeling cooperative, I like to join in with friends and drive a herd off a cliff using fire. Then we drink some light beers, to stay in manly shape.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:09 PM

25. I wouldn't, personally.

 

Seems primitive hunting gives too much of a margin for error in making a quick, clean kill. Can you make a bad shot with a rifle and maim an animal? Sure. Is your chance of doing so with a knife/spear/atlatl a good deal greater? You bet. I'm not going to begrudge someone who does it, but if I were a hunter, I'd stick to modern firearms.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:14 PM

27. You use guns for more than hunting animals. You are a gun promoter, even using a gun reference

in your user name. So don't use the "hunting" excuse to rationalize what gunners have done to society, directly or indirectly.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:30 PM

29. So, what is your position on hunting instruments? Spear or no?

 

EDIT: I don't promote guns for you.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:34 PM

31. We'd be better off if gunners could live with a spear rather than AR15s and a gun in their pants

when the go out to the store

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #31)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:53 PM

35. That would be an interesting sight. Some fashion statements could be made.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:24 PM

28. I hunt for meat, but prefer

road kill. Cook it right and it taste like chicken.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #28)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:33 PM

30. Where FL is way ahead of TX: It allows taking of roadkill. Quite progressive.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 05:50 PM

33. I used to hunt with a rifle but I had a friend who was killed my senior year of High School.

He was shot by another hunter so I stopped hunting for about 10 years, to many drunks tromping around the forest for my liking. I later took up hunting with a compound bow and never looked back, bow hunting is way safer. Anyways hunt with whatever you want, it's your life.

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Response to dilby (Reply #33)

Fri Aug 19, 2016, 06:16 PM

36. That is very sad. Fortunately, it is increasingly rare. In Texas...

 

In the year 2015 only two hunters were killed by a firearm while hunting. One by shotgun; the other by accidental discharge of her own rifle. Most researchers credit mandatory hunter ed courses for the incredible drop in hunter death/accidents nation-wide.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #37)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 12:42 PM

39. Pretty funny.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #39)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:15 PM

41. I take the basic premise more as serious than funny.

 

And I wish the deer had weapons and could use them against hunters,

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 12:45 PM

40. It would help to know what you are talking about, some context might help.

 

What a strange OP.

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Response to Rex (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:22 PM

42. Background:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1552064

Many hunters noticed that many vegans/etc have said hunting with rifles is too easy and they should try it the old fashioned way with a spear....somebody does it and the non-hunters screamed foul...

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #42)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:24 PM

43. Oh okay, thanks that now makes sense.

 

Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. Personally, I am impressed at the stupidity of anyone taking on a bear with a spear.

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Response to Rex (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:25 PM

44. You may recall the latest "Cecille the Lion" posting, this time someone killing a bear

 

with a spear. Lots of anti-hunting posts.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #44)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:31 PM

45. Okay thanks, I am impressed at the stupidity of anyone that will attack a bear with a spear.

 

Now, how about that guy that knifed a deer? Hiding in plain site next to the feeding trough! That takes skill!

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Response to Rex (Reply #45)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 03:38 PM

46. If folks are into ritual combat cum hunting, then take on hogs with a knife...

 

It's legal in several states, but usually involves hog dogs, both strikers and grabbers who can bay the animal. There is a video on Youtub of an Hawai'ian hog hunt where the animal is bayed, and the coup de gras is ceremonially delivered by a man with a large knife (matador-style), all to the soundtrack of an operatic "Ave Maria." The Alabama hunt was a little more boisterous.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #46)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 03:40 PM

47. Feral hogs are mean, nasty creatures.

 

Rip your leg up in seconds. I respect anyone that will take on a wild animal with primitive tools.

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Response to Rex (Reply #47)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 03:44 PM

48. I think I'd rather have a .30-30.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #48)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 03:46 PM

49. I think I would rather let someone else do it.

 

But yeah...gun...bear...gun...tiger...gun...anything that can kill me in an instant...gun.

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Response to Rex (Reply #49)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 04:09 PM

50. Never been drawn to hunts for "big and dangerous game."

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #44)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:11 PM

56. Was the bear attacking people? Was it self-defense? Did the hunter eat the bear?

No?

Then why the fuck kill it? Honest question.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #56)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:15 PM

65. Honest answer: It was a regulated hunt (meaning SD is not required)...

 

I do not know the answer re: meat used. The last scandal over bear hunting featured a veteran hunter (over 20 bears) who kicked critics back hard, telling them she ate the bear meat. It would be foolish for anyone to post a pic of a kill and NOT saved the meat, either for herself & family or for donation.

Speaking for myself, I don't kill for SD. I hunt and kill animals for the adventure and the food. It is how we once were regarding what we eat: HONEST.

I will unashamedly hunt, kill, and eat this season as well.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #65)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 05:25 PM

85. I take no issue with that.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 04:53 PM

54. Hardcore paleo diet, anyone?

Yes, 80-90% of their diet was from gathering plant foods and snaring small game, both provided by women. However, for manly men justifying a diet of meat, meat, and more meat, the paleo hunting methods using a spear, bow and arrow, or large rock dropped off a cliff would be wholly authentic. Never mind that when hunting was lousy, grubs and termites were on the menu. With supermarkets around there is no reason for that nonsense.

This is the way to do it, up in the Rockies, flint tipped spear in hand. Authentic to the last.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:10 PM

55. what provides you personally with the maximum entertainment value of killing for sport?

I mean, assuming you're not doing it for food, isn't that what it's all about?

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #55)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:43 PM

72. A little unclear, but I enjoy the pursuit of an animal which is superbly equipped for evasion...

 

and check-mating it (killing) for the purposes of eating it (this is challenging enough to put me on auto pilot, so to speak). Though I am old enough to get exhausted field dressing a deer, the activity is enjoyable as well, challenging you to remove non-edibles without spilling fecal matter and urine into the body cavity (I am prepared for that eventuality as well). There is pride in a clean, dressed carcass, all the way through the skinning, separation of lower leg joints, the head and the tail, then washing the animal, quartering, and packing it in ice as meat for the trip home. I have not purchased beef under celophane for over 10 years.

Sport is a debatable term, whose derivation is unclear. It has been laden with many meanings, often negative ones. Currently, it is used to separate modern hunting from "market" hunting (outlawed) and straight "subsistence" hunting (even here, hunters celebrate and enjoy the activity as well). Our culture has a long history of aligning enjoyment, sport, pleasure, etc., with a vulgar puritanism and thereby immorality. But we ALL kill to eat: Directly (hunting/fishing), indirectly (feedlot & factory slaughter), or by abstraction (agriculture, which displaces vast ecosystems which disrupt massive numbers of flora and fauna, most non-game). Which is your means?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #72)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:58 PM

75. This is a great answer.

The idea that people should participate in the hunt with only a heavy heart, after all other possibilities of feeding their starving children have been exhausted, and without any enjoyment or pride in the process whatsoever, is bizarre to me.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #72)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 05:24 PM

84. My point there originally was, assuming you were only doing it for enjoyment, so to speak

pick the means most enjoyable.

I'm not a vegan, ethical or otherwise, so I don't take issue with people who hunt and then eat or otherwise have some utilitarian use for the animal which they kill. I suppose I do question the value in killing "just for the fun of it"- my issue isn't with enjoyment per se (far from it) but rather my take is what is inherently fun about killing something.

I acknowledge it's a subjective distinction and a rather arbitrary ethical standard, but I kind of feel it's better to actually hunt for the purpose of using the animal in some fashion other than just killing it for pure 'enjoyment' of the act.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 01:07 AM

59. Why not find a less creepy hobby?

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #59)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:21 AM

61. Seriously.

And people say MY hobbies are creepy!

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #59)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:50 PM

73. Why don't you try hunting? We ALL kill to eat. Including yourself.

 

1) Hunting
2) Meat counter (proxy killing)
3) Agriculture (millions of acres of ecosystem torn up for soy beans, kale and spinach)

What is your favorite method?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:34 PM

68. Tell me again why you should hunt at all? For "adventure and food,"

try berry picking.

Or, if you want to get more risky, try collecting mushrooms.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #68)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:56 PM

74. I have explaind this. Which method of killing to eat do you practice?

 

If you are vegetarian, then you have resting on a sufficiently numbed urban conscience the death of vast ecosystems which were inhabited by many species of flora and fauna -- including at one time my deer or two each year.

Agriculture is an ancient abstract technology, but it hasn't lost a bit of its power to kill the pain of knowing humans kill.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:39 PM

69. Rocks and Spears are dumb...long bow is nice and traditional in a Fred Bear kind of way.

But as for me and my family we'll stick to the inline muzzle loader, 308/270/243/223/7mm-08/300winmag, Compound bow, and last but not least Crossbow.

I'm not concerned about playing fair, I want to get this crap over with and get back to fishing. Hunting season is a freezer filler, fishing is entertainment.




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Response to ileus (Reply #69)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:00 PM

76. Good point. Play fair with a dangerous animal? No-o-o. There is greater "fairness" with

 

presumably non-threatening animals, but hunting for most (including me) is not Coliseum "sport." It is work, and it is enjoyable.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:42 PM

71. Long bow could be cool, popular enough - but at that point I'd be choosing a Compound Bow.

Rock and spears, not so much (although spear-fishing is fun - though so is bow fishing).

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #71)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:01 PM

77. Not slaggng long bows, just one of the instruments thrown back at me by the Manly crowd.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #77)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 08:14 PM

89. Oh understood! Wrestle a bear bare fisted or be a wuss!

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:01 PM

78. My regrets for repeating a comment.



The book, “Casting Her Own Shadow: Eleanor Roosevelt and the Shaping of Postwar Liberalism,” quotes the Washington Herald’s Earl Miller as saying:

When ER became first lady, she refused Secret Service protection, insisting that she be able to travel as freely as possible. The agents complied with her wishes only after they discovered she knew how to shoot, and convincing her to carry a pistol when she drove alone. Intrigued by yet another example of ER’s independence, the press treated ER’s “packing” as front page news—especially after she nonchalantly remarked: “I carry a pistol, and I’m a fairly good shot.”



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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #78)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:06 PM

79. Shhh. Don't tell anyone that!

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 05:04 PM

82. You know there is no answer that will

Be satisfactory to the anti-hunting / animal rights tribe. You could kill the animal with you bare hands and teeth, and they would still be criticizing you. Go ahead and fill up your freezer and enjoy that good organic meat.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #82)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 06:16 PM

87. Thanks, I will. So much anger, I think, because we all kill to eat.

 

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