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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 09:31 PM Aug 2016

Anti-Semitic Trump Advisor Says Holocaust Never Happened Because ‘The Ovens Were Too Small’

Not. The. Onion.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/08/18/anti-semitic-trump-advisor-says-holocaust-never-happened-because-the-ovens-were-too-small/

What kind of clueless moron would seek foreign policy advice from an anti-semitic Holocaust denier like Joseph Schmitz? Donald Trump, of course.

McClatchy reports that Joseph Schmitz’s bigotry has gotten him into some pretty serious hot water. For starters, he’s accused of bragging about getting Jewish coworkers fired back when he was the inspector general for George W. Bush’s Defense Dept....

Oh, but wait. The plot sickens. In the same complaint, Daniel Meyer declared that John Crane, another top Pentagon official at the time, insists Joseph Schmitz is a Holocaust denier.
‘In his final days, he allegedly lectured Mr. Crane on the details of concentration camps and how the ovens were too small to kill 6 million Jews.’

That’s right. Joseph Schmitz (allegedly!) claimed that there’s no way the Holocaust happened because those ovens at Auschwitz were too small to “kill six million Jews.” First of all, Nazi Germany didn’t actually bake their Jewish prisoners in the ovens. They used the ovens to cremate them. Second of all, anyone who has actually visited the sites of Auschwitz and other concentration camps can see that those ovens were definitely big enough.


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Anti-Semitic Trump Advisor Says Holocaust Never Happened Because ‘The Ovens Were Too Small’ (Original Post) KamaAina Aug 2016 OP
an anti-semitic chillfactor Aug 2016 #1
Trump might be attempting to enhance KKK membership Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #10
Well ryan_cats Aug 2016 #2
I visited Dacchau in the late 60s. DURHAM D Aug 2016 #3
i visited dachau in 1972. the tour guide was a former prisoner. unblock Aug 2016 #5
Wow. That would of been interesting to have a prisoner as DURHAM D Aug 2016 #6
interesting question. i always assumed he was jewish but honestly i'm not sure i remember. unblock Aug 2016 #7
There was no way he could have lived in the area and not known, and not smelled the stench of death. OnDoutside Aug 2016 #21
To the best of my knowledge Sgent Aug 2016 #17
If each concentration camp were killing a dozen per day, then closeupready Aug 2016 #20
DUH, majority of T-rump staffers and managers are racist Iliyah Aug 2016 #4
The idiot didn't know that there was more than one death camp in Poland? The_Casual_Observer Aug 2016 #8
Between this shithead, and Bannon from Breitbart, I think we know Trump's true sympathies. backscatter712 Aug 2016 #9
It makes sense that Trump and his type would have zero knowledge of history. Rex Aug 2016 #11
Oh wait! He can't be an anti-Semite because his wife's grandmother was a Jew! Major Nikon Aug 2016 #12
actually, millions Jews were unloaded from trains, offered showers and gased to death at Aushwitz Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #13
Trump will reach out into history for a minority childcare program... Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #14
"and, uh" kick... Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #15
omg area51 Aug 2016 #16
This will be but a blip. Behind the Aegis Aug 2016 #18
Many jews and some gypsies were starved to death while they worked like slaves... Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #23
As someone who HAS visited Auschwitz, what I can say is closeupready Aug 2016 #19
Up next: Did World War Two really happen? struggle4progress Aug 2016 #22

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
10. Trump might be attempting to enhance KKK membership
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:48 PM
Aug 2016

I'm sure recruitment and activity in the Ku Klux Klan has increased, as a result of the type media attention Trump antics propagate.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
2. Well
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 09:46 PM
Aug 2016

Well, too small to fit six million at once but I am pretty sure they did a few at a time. I could see how he could make this mistake...

I have never, ever seen someone so tone deaf. GWB is FDR compared to this guy.

DURHAM D

(33,085 posts)
3. I visited Dacchau in the late 60s.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 09:56 PM
Aug 2016

The tour guide told us the ovens and gas showers were never used. Immediately everyone started calling the guide out. I wonder if they are still telling the same lies.

When I visited Auschwitz/Treblinka/Buchenwald in the late 70s they told no such lies. Perhaps because the guides were Polish.

unblock

(56,243 posts)
5. i visited dachau in 1972. the tour guide was a former prisoner.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:09 PM
Aug 2016

among other stories, he said he was forced to build a platform for hanging prisoners and was told they would test it out on him.

obviously, they didn't, but death threats of that sort were any every day occurrence. of course, they did kill prisoners more than enough so that the death threats felt very real.

DURHAM D

(33,085 posts)
6. Wow. That would of been interesting to have a prisoner as
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:14 PM
Aug 2016

your guide. Was he a political prisoner or a minority?

btw - - Did they have any displays/information in English. When I was there most of the people around me were Brits and they were pissed off about nothing in English.

When I was in Poland everything was printed/displayed in Polish, German, Russian and English.

unblock

(56,243 posts)
7. interesting question. i always assumed he was jewish but honestly i'm not sure i remember.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:32 PM
Aug 2016

i also don't remember if the signs were in english. my mother is a holocaust survivor, born in vienna, so she spoke german. i do remember her translating signs and such throughout west germany; she might have translated the displays at dachau and now in my memory i just remember seeing and understanding them. sorry, i was only 8 years old at the time!

one more bit i do remember, we had to stop and ask a local for directions. turns out it was just another 1/4 mile up the same road, but the local had no idea where it was. my nature is to take people at their word, but my father was uncharacteristically upset when we found the concentration camp entrance a minute later. he insisted (reasonably enough, in retrospect) that there was no way they couldn't know they lived practically next door it.

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
21. There was no way he could have lived in the area and not known, and not smelled the stench of death.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:34 AM
Aug 2016

Sgent

(5,858 posts)
17. To the best of my knowledge
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 04:41 AM
Aug 2016

the ones at Dachau were never used. They didn't want the exterminations going on in Germany itself. Not to say they didn't find other ways of killing people there.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
20. If each concentration camp were killing a dozen per day, then
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:27 AM
Aug 2016

it's likely they would have reached, collectively, the 6 million number without difficulty, by war's end. The math is easy - 1,000 concentration camps (though there were thousands more) * 12 (murders per day) * 365 (days/years) = 4,380,000.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
4. DUH, majority of T-rump staffers and managers are racist
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:00 PM
Aug 2016

and this bullshit new campaign crapola ain't gonna work.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
8. The idiot didn't know that there was more than one death camp in Poland?
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:38 PM
Aug 2016

These are the sort of cretins that trump has surrounded himself with.

backscatter712

(26,357 posts)
9. Between this shithead, and Bannon from Breitbart, I think we know Trump's true sympathies.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:40 PM
Aug 2016

I took a look at Breitbart today. For all intents and purposes, it's this generation's version of Der Sturmer

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. It makes sense that Trump and his type would have zero knowledge of history.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:49 PM
Aug 2016

Fucking idiots.

Major Nikon

(36,927 posts)
12. Oh wait! He can't be an anti-Semite because his wife's grandmother was a Jew!
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 10:49 PM
Aug 2016


No less than 3 people are making the same allegations against him, but they are all lying while he is telling the truth.



His dad was also an anti-Semite. Looks like the nut didn't fall too far from the tree.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
13. actually, millions Jews were unloaded from trains, offered showers and gased to death at Aushwitz
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 12:25 AM
Aug 2016

According to the Nazis' racist ideology, Arabs and other Muslims are racial Semites and thus subhumans, similar to Jews. Millions of Gypsies, Muslims and Jews were exterminated in Auschwitz. At this particular Nazi camp of disease, starvation and torture, Doctor Mengele (aka The Angel of Death) conducted perverse experiments on prisoners.

Also, the Warsaw Ghetto, called Jüdischer Wohnbezirk in Warschau, by Hitler, was the Jewish residential district in Poland and the largest of all the ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe during World War II. It was established in the Muranów neighborhood of the Polish capital between October and November 16, 1940, part of the territory of the General Government of German-occupied Poland, with over 400,000 Jews from the vicinity residing in an area of 3.4 km2 (1.3 sq mi). From there, at least 254,000 Ghetto residents were sent to the Treblinka extermination camp over the course of two months in the summer of 1942.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
14. Trump will reach out into history for a minority childcare program...
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 12:59 AM
Aug 2016

Think of all the money the Top 1% of wealth-holders will save, after Trump and other Republicans destroy and loot Social Security Disability Income and replace it with their special brand of childcare:

Behind the Aegis

(56,181 posts)
18. This will be but a blip.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:58 AM
Aug 2016

Also, 6 million Jews weren't "sent to the ovens". You can always tell someone is an ahistorical asshole when they think all six million of my people were sent to "the ovens."

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
23. Many jews and some gypsies were starved to death while they worked like slaves...
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:49 AM
Aug 2016

Others were tortured to death in hideous ways, simply to entertain Nazis. Your history is accurate. There were hundreds of ways to die in Auschwitz.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
19. As someone who HAS visited Auschwitz, what I can say is
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:24 AM
Aug 2016

that the main oven was big enough to fit perhaps 100 people at a time, maybe more depending on how tight they were being corralled. There are estimates in the tens of thousands as to the number of concentration camps in WWII Germany, but for argument's sake, let's say there were only 1,000.

To murder 6,000,000 people, they'd each need to murder 16 people per day, every day, for only 1 years' time. A place like Auschwitz, which could accommodate a large number of death row concentration camp residents, would be able to meet that number many times over in a single gassing.

struggle4progress

(126,605 posts)
22. Up next: Did World War Two really happen?
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 10:21 AM
Aug 2016

We talk with best-selling author Jo Gobbles, author of last year's best-seller The Most Misunderstood Austrian Painter

Gobbles new research shows that WWII was nothing but Communist propaganda and that the Americans who "fought" in the "war" were deceived!

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