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First of all I'd like to say I have enjoyed my time here. Going to be 5 years come January. I don't post much. The name is Pedro.
My story starts Saturday night in Dallas. I live in mesquite a suburb. My child, my dad and I went to a hispanic oriented store called the Rio Grande. We like their butcher shop. Tend to have menudo etc...
It was late, they were already starting to clean and we noticed a new worker, a black man. He greeted us in Spanish, and treated us with respect. Cut the meat exactly how I wanted it. I was impressed and happy.
This is where my story turns dark. As we're leaving the woman behind us tells him in Spanish that she doesn't want a mayate to help her. That word is a derogatory word used towards black man. You could see bewilderment in his face, and at the same time you could tell it was not the first time it had happened. My dad lost it and went off on the woman. I had to calm him. Other costumers came to the gentleman's defense and eventually people only wanted to be served by him.
Before leaving I said to him that I was so sorry he had to endure that. He said to me that he is simply trying to make an honest living. On the way home my dad was very agitated and eventually shed some tears. He told me something very profound at least to me. I came here to start a family and for the hope of a better life. I have achieved that and more, so I'll be damned if I'll let people ruin that for me or anyone else.
The reason I said this was unexpected is because I experienced this in my bubble. I leave you with this. We're all human.
Thanks for the post.
K and R
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)trueblue2007
(17,223 posts)Lobo27
(753 posts)Left the cart full of food.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)Lobo27
(753 posts)But most likely not.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)living in a country where everyone has a chance to succeed, and is treated fairly and with compassion.
Maraya1969
(22,482 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 30, 2016, 08:30 PM - Edit history (1)
Jewish people! Each time I was shocked and told her how ugly that was.
I don't understand it.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Anti-Semitism is something few like to discuss, let alone acknowledge. There is also the "intersectionality" of bigotry among different minority groups; again, not a popular topic for discussion. It doesn't matter if a group is oppressed or not, bigotry gets its nasty claws into all types of people. Often, people think, "oh, that person is a minority, shouldn't they be more thoughtful?" The one fact which is always true, is the person is human and it includes all its moral failings.
I agree, though, it is difficult to understand why someone from one oppressed group would oppress another, but it happens all over the world. It makes no sense.
Dr Rise
(99 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)there will ALWAYS be assholes no matter where you go or how much you wish they didn't exist. Damn if I will tolerate them or their beliefs, but I just know they will always be there.
nadine_mn
(3,702 posts)the "fuck this thing in particular" slays me every time...it is one of my favorite all time gifs and seeing it on your post totally made me smile, much needed on a thread about the ugliness of some people.
3catwoman3
(24,000 posts)I watch this every time I see it, and always end up with a smile on my face. I wish I could get my own copy.
jalan48
(13,869 posts)Some people just have to hate.
hibbing
(10,098 posts)On a side note, I think the nominee of the Republican party makes people feel very comfortable with their racism.
Peace
Lobo27
(753 posts)calimary
(81,297 posts)But he's just the latest in a long and rather hideous string of this shit.
I think it started with hate radio, that, itself, began when reagan started deregulating broadcasting, late in his reign of terror and proud ignorance. He started it by lifting ownership restrictions. There's a long-winded story about that but in the interest of not boring you, suffice it to say that reagan cleared the way for broadcast owners (read: greedy gluttonous corporations) to gobble up as many TV and radio properties as they wanted. Another part of that was that they no longer had to prove any sort of responsive programming to local interests, issues, and concerns. So that led to a feeding frenzy like fresh meat thrown to a roiling pool of hungry sharks.
Lots of my friends at the local level lost their jobs because business being what it is, the new bosses wanted to cut costs. And it was far cheaper just to pipe in some syndicated programming from New York or wherever else. It was cheaper to do talk radio, because you didn't need a music director, you didn't need a staff of jocks and their assistants, and on AM talk sounded better than music anyway. The AMs that played music were usually "full service" stations which usually included personality deejays (the morning drive jock was invariably some power talent or big cheese and cost a LOT more), as well as a working news department, live traffic reports, and more - including a public affairs department. All that overhead was expensive, and business being what it is, hey, let's do it as cheaply as possible. Besides, the government has now told us we no longer HAVE TO do a certain amount of news & public affairs per broadcast day or broadcast week, either! Deregulation ROCKS!!!
Meantime, less news & public affairs mean listeners who aren't as well educated about local and national goings-on because there's less coverage overall. But that syndicated crap is great! And a lot of it was talk-show related. This fellow Jeff Christie started rising out of somewhere in America, kicked around the deejay scene in various small markets around the country, changed his on-air name to rush limbaugh and somehow wound up at the local AM in Sacramento. Where he did talk. CONservative talk. Which back then was WAY new. It got ratings. And when something proves to be a hit, as you see on TV all the time, suddenly there are many many clones of it.
What I think was really happening was - ol' rush tapped into something that had been locked away in a closet. Like that proverbial wacko reactionary uncle you keep in your attic til you kinda have to bring him down to share Thanksgiving dinner with the rest of the family. But otherwise, he's kept away from normal people, and thereby muzzled, because of the jerky-ass things he says and believes, that you really can't or shouldn't say in polite company. Like why you hate Jews and those individuals described using the "n-word," and why you think women are the "c-word" and you think every Latino currently breathing oxygen is dismissed as "Mexican." Because "Mexican" is somehow a derisive word, too. As is "liberal." As are the words "women's libber" and all manner of disgusting labels for the gay community. But hate radio, captained by the likes of rush limbaugh and all the other little junior limbaughs he spawned from coast to coast, brought all that shit out into the open. It was no longer closeted. It was no longer not okay to say in polite company. You not only could still think that way and hold onto those views, but now you could be out in the open about it. You could be loud 'n' proud.
And the GOP, ever the opportunistic infections that they are, noticed that this was an under-served demographic - one from which could be harvested LOTS of votes, and so there they went, with slobbering chins and bibs on.
Hate radio and its eventual devil-child, Pox Noise, brought all of that shit out of the closet, out of hiding, and made it respectable. Gave it not just a seat at the table that it had been denied (because, honey, we don't say those things in public, or honey, that's not nice - you're not supposed to think that way). Hate radio and Pox Noise made it acceptable, respectable, and financially rewarding. It was okay not just to spout that shit, but to believe it with all your heart, because rush said so on the radio and bill o'really says it on TV every night, just adding to its validation.
This utterly demonic shift in public policy starting with fucking reagan not only did NOT admonish those who thought or felt that way to keep it to themselves, don't say that in public - they told you it was okay to do so. That you had GOOD REASONS to feel that way. And no, you shouldn't have to get over it and come into modern times. You DON'T have to accept changing times and conditions and demographics if you don't want to. It's not only okay, we have your back, and we'll shout it to the rooftops! It's OKAY to be racist! It's okay to be sexist! It's okay to be homophobic! It's okay to be anti-Semitic! YOU'RE the victim here! You're being told to shut up just because it's not politically correct. But you don't have to! And I agree with you, too! So shout it! Loud and proud!
Anyone notice how, at the Trump rallies in particular, many of his fans love how politically INCORRECT he is? My mother kept company with one of them while she was still alive and he knew she might leave him something. He'd send emails around complaining - "why can't I say the 'n-word'?" Disgusting.
Unfortunately, seems to me this is bad behavior that's encouraged and reinforced. You're entitled to say any ol' "n-word" you want! That's OKAY! YOU'RE okay, too! SO shout it! Be in their faces - all those nanny-staters who tell you you can't say that shit in public because it isn't nice. If YOU think it's nice, well, that's your right! You're entitled!
It used to be "you can't say that on the radio" (or on TV). Now, though, it's become - "go ahead and say ANYTHING you damn well want! It gets ratings! So be as bad and as shitty and nasty and mean-spirited and bullying as you think you can get away with being! And be damned proud of it! You're entitled! Besides, it's gonna get ratings! And we can charge more for commercial time! There's money to be made! Or as CBS chieftain Les Moonves said not too long ago about how this election season has just deteriorated to shit and allowed the rise of Donald Trump: "it's bad for the country, but it's GREAT for business!"
THIS is the mentality that reagan seeded, deregulation and greed watered and fertilized, and hate radio and and its devil child Pox Noise have been harvesting with great joy ever since. When you start with that sickly recipe, you wind up with a toxic cake.
T for Toxic.
T for Teabaggers.
And T for Trump.
(Aw, crap, I was gonna avoid being long-winded... sorry)
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... they consumaltly talk about go no where e-mails or other stupid shit
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Lobo27
(753 posts)Perhaps different hispanic cultures use it differently.
Throd
(7,208 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)mountain grammy
(26,622 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)True Dough
(17,305 posts)I'm glad that woman was confronted with ferocity by several patrons of the store, including your father. I'm sure the employee was reassured by the show of support and it would ease the sting of having encountered a bigot. But, as others have said here, racists will always exist, sadly. We just have to let them know that we don't accept their needless prejudice.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Too often, people cower in the face of racism. It is so refreshing to hear stories like this of people doing the right thing.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 30, 2016, 03:29 PM - Edit history (1)
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)malaise
(269,022 posts)We are hated for no reason except our color - we didn't enslave anyone.
Hug you dad.
brush
(53,782 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)The reason they're out there and willing to spew their hate is because they're allowed to. First Sara Palin invited them out by calling them 'real Americans" and it's culminated in Trump spewing it outright when he announced he was running for President. Now they wear it by raging it out loud like it's some sort of badge of honor.
It's time they all went back into the closet again.
Tell your father he's a hero here in DU land.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)There are things I miss very much. The racism is not one of them. Love and cheer to you and your dad and to your new butcher friend.
GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)was referred to as one of the sand people. When I expressed objection and another patron asked me why I did it I pointed out I could be considered another sand person as l was once told to go eat sand when a business proposition was rejected. Explained I did not practice racism, neither did l tolerate it. The rest of the people in line were very supportive. The ignorant are in the minority.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)???
Maynar
(769 posts)without much distinction?
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)woofless
(2,670 posts)We are indeed.
dakdirty
(90 posts)I hope this touches others as much as it did me.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)And chatting with someone, and when they learn I am Asian, they either disappear or get angry and tell me that
"Immigrants are the downfall of this country, and that I should just go back to fucking China and leave America be."
I try to tell them I was born here, and that I am not Chinese, and they come back with
"Anchor fucking baby" and
"Who cares what you are, all you slants look alike to me".
I am totally horrified. I mean, You know, I grew up in a district in San Francisco where there were many kinds of people, mostly Chinese. I grew with Chinese kids and though I am Japanese, I never had a problem. No one blamed me for things Japan did to China, nor any of that stuff. I told them, I was part Hawaiian native and Japanese, and it was accepted. The thing is, I have been told I don't even look Hawaiian except I tend to be darker than most Japanese, so that's confusing. But I never really faced full on Hate until I logged on line and talked with people from other areas. It still happens, or if I speak Japanese with friends get some serious backlash from Xenophobes telling me
"This is murica, speak AMERICAN DAMNIT OR go back to where ever you came from!".
Bigotry sucks no matter what form it is in. I am sure I have had jobs where a guy who was working the same shift always got a few dollars more than I did in his paycheck. I was always told if I ever got pregnant I would be fired by some jerk of a boss I worked for.
Bigotry sucks big time and this country has a long, long way to go before any of that will ever be fixed. I was sheltered from that kind of Hatred most of my life, because I lived in a caring community. I really believe those kind of communities can happen again in this country. That people can be not only accepted for who they are, but appreciated for what they can contribute to society.
Maynar
(769 posts)I've read your posts off and on for years. I think you're a fine person, and I'm sad that you have had to endure the racism you have described above.
Screw those haters, is all I have to say. You just keep on keepin' on!
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)One would think as someone gets to know you without anything other than words on a screen, we would see a "break down" in hate as people realize how much they have in common with others who don't look or act like them. Bigotry against Americans of Asian descent is still quite prevalent, as I am sure you are aware, and is often overlooked by many. My husband is able to "pass" as straight, so he has had some 'interesting' reactions when they find out that his spouse is a man. Of course, it also allows him to hear some really homophobic shit they normally wouldn't say in front of someone they "suspected" was gay. I am Jewish, but "don't look it", so I have been privy to some rancid anti-Semitism.
You are right, bigotry sucks no matter what form or who it is against.
As a funny side note, when I was in college and for a few years after, I was fluent in several languages (not so much now, use it or you lose it). My friend and I were out shopping and speaking Spanish (me) and French (her). Both of us understand the other language so we often spoke to each other that way to practice. We both got told to "Learn English!" We both turned, and as if from a movie script, said simultaneously, "I speak English, dumbass." with our very deep Southern accents. Needless to say, he looked very confused and scampered off. Some people are simply threatened by the unknown and others...well, they are so conceited they think everyone not speaking a language they understand is talking about them!
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)yeah, that's me
My girl friend (She is Japanese American as well) and I would go to a chat room speaking and practicing Japanese, and people there thought we were speaking it JUST SO we could talk about them behind their back, and for god sakes, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THEM! We were booted another of times and told to get the hell out.
This website I go to, first a bit a history about it. Eight years ago, when it had just barely started, there were a lot of Anime clubs. Everyone it seemed, (White folks) had or used a Japanese anime name. For those who didn't know an Anime name, they would go to Japanese baby names website and look and make names up.
Back then, there were few if any Real Japanese on that website, other than Japanese American or Canadians. When the website started to get an international reputation, Real Japanese came on and were horrified to find so many White people with Japanese names, trying to pass themselves off as "Nihonjin" from Tokyo, yet their use of Japanese was either crappy or non existent. Many Real Japanese were so insulted, they would leave the website or have their own little chat rooms where only Nihongo was spoken.
I, myself found it odd that there were so many white people wanting to be apart of Japan. Many of them on their profile cards carried the flag of Japan, rather than the United States or Canada. Many of them told me they were fans of Japan, which is why they put the flag there, or that they didn't want people to know they were Americans.
The worst part, as I told one fellow, "You get to play Japanese all night long, but when you step out your door to go work you don't have to face people who will call you a "chink" because they are ignorant. You want to wear that face on line, but are not able to face hatred each day so you don't really know what its like to really be an Asian American. You just "Play" at it. You don't even face it on line either, being with your friends in their chat rooms.
When this girl found out I actually was a real Asian American, she shunned me because now I really was different. It was the kind of thing that really got so out of hand, I would tell them, ''hey if you are going to be that, at least learn the culture, learn the language and stop trying to come off as an Ignorant American trying to pretend you are something else.''
JI7
(89,250 posts)but we don't always hear or know about it. i'm sure many times the owner/manager will just have the person a racist customer doesn't want serving them do something else while someone else deals with that customer. the employees might not even know.
even the racists are not always going to be open about it. they might even make up some excuse to try to claim it has nothing to do with race .
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)I don't know if you are familiar with the show (it's on ABC on Friday nights), but this sounds similar to scenarios they have put forth. Understand I am not saying this didn't happen, I just read it and immediately thought of the show. I am sure many watch the show and think "this doesn't really happen", but, in fact, it happens way too often. It is reassuring to hear about people, like your father, who take a stand against bigotry, because as often as there is bigotry, it is always nice to know there are those who stand up and say "NO! Not on my watch!".
I am glad you shared your story, because it demonstrates we still have a long way to go, but there are those out there ready to usher in a new era of understanding for all peoples.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)it's an every day occurence. The issues between minority groups hurt me the most. I had a situation I'll share in another thread...but it's heart breaking when things like this happened. I'm glad your father was there, because if he didn't speak up, I have to wonder if others would have spoken up. There are too many onlookers, too many passive citizens rather than active.
Hugin
(33,148 posts)Carry it with you, always. In a good way.
demigoddess
(6,641 posts)Instead we keep quiet.