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Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:29 PM

All this shit about an athlete taking a position and not standing for an anthem

from people who don't give a flying fuck about veterans.

He has the right to do what he's doing. Respect kiddo!! I know you live that racism - and even your white parents could never protect you because it is exactly what you say - institutional racism.

Bravo Colin Kaepernick! Tear down the farce!

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Reply All this shit about an athlete taking a position and not standing for an anthem (Original post)
malaise Aug 2016 OP
chillfactor Aug 2016 #1
malaise Aug 2016 #2
Glassunion Aug 2016 #4
doc03 Aug 2016 #11
Glassunion Aug 2016 #23
malaise Aug 2016 #25
heaven05 Aug 2016 #43
awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #56
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #5
malaise Aug 2016 #9
Wounded Bear Aug 2016 #8
Laurian Aug 2016 #14
TheMastersNemesis Aug 2016 #17
JI7 Aug 2016 #18
niyad Aug 2016 #52
KeepItReal Aug 2016 #24
JackRiddler Aug 2016 #36
reorg Aug 2016 #50
JackRiddler Aug 2016 #65
smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #58
GreenEyedLefty Aug 2016 #38
MarkEzra Aug 2016 #46
FSogol Aug 2016 #47
PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #3
NuclearDem Aug 2016 #6
sarge43 Aug 2016 #39
NuclearDem Aug 2016 #53
True Dough Aug 2016 #7
NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #64
Warpy Aug 2016 #10
lindysalsagal Aug 2016 #16
yortsed snacilbuper Aug 2016 #12
malaise Aug 2016 #15
MyOwnPeace Aug 2016 #22
Jim Beard Aug 2016 #57
mike_c Aug 2016 #13
cwydro Aug 2016 #19
jonno99 Aug 2016 #28
Brickbat Aug 2016 #20
babylonsister Aug 2016 #21
Iggo Aug 2016 #63
JanMichael Aug 2016 #66
yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #26
vi5 Aug 2016 #27
malaise Aug 2016 #29
The_Casual_Observer Aug 2016 #30
Cryptoad Aug 2016 #31
Skittles Aug 2016 #32
Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #33
colsohlibgal Aug 2016 #34
vkkv Aug 2016 #35
GoCubsGo Aug 2016 #37
spike jones Aug 2016 #40
vlakitti Aug 2016 #41
heaven05 Aug 2016 #42
HockeyMom Aug 2016 #44
malaise Aug 2016 #45
shadowmayor Aug 2016 #48
malaise Aug 2016 #49
HockeyMom Aug 2016 #61
JanMichael Aug 2016 #67
AngryAmish Aug 2016 #51
moondust Aug 2016 #54
Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #55
malaise Aug 2016 #59
ProfessorGAC Aug 2016 #60
Iggo Aug 2016 #62

Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:34 PM

1. I happen to have great respect for veterans....

I come from a family of generations of Marines. I usually agree with what you post but this time I have to disagree. Kaepernick is showing nothing but disrespect for a country who has given him many opportunities to enhance his talent...and instead he shits on his country.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:35 PM

2. We can disagree on this one

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:39 PM

4. When did sitting down during the national anthem = shitting on America?

Speaking of shitting on things... How many unarmed black people have be killed by agents of the state just this year alone? Or do they not matter?

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:50 PM

11. Do you really think disrespecting the national anthem and flag is going to in any way

prevent unarmed black people from being shot by bad cops? If anything it will inflame more hate. Probably 98% of Americans haven't a clue what the national anthem says. All most people know is it is followed by lets play ball or start your engines.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:24 PM

23. So, instead should a person of color be expected to or forced for the sake of perceved offence

to stand up for the national anthem?

Forced respect is an oxymoron.

Should a person of color be expected to stand for a national anthem for a country that currently oppresses people of color? Standing or sitting during the anthem does not make one any more or less an American. Because sometimes it is our duty as Americans to say something that people don't necessarily want to hear or do something that people don't necessarily want to see. This is how change starts.

How much disrespect has been heaved on minority groups in this nation? Have we achieved absolute equality for gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc.? Depending on what glasses one is born with to view the world, views differ greatly. Yours may be a rose colored pair, where America is all good and great, and deserves unfettered respect, while others have a view that's less savory. They live in a nation where their country does not respect them, and in fact works quite diligently to oppress them. But, they should somehow find respect for something that does not respect them back? I don't think so.

Kaepernick has a stage, he has a voice, and he used it. Hopefully as change for the better. Sure he offended some. Good, now they are paying attention. The more folks who have a voice and a stage speak out, the more people will listen.

There are times and places for overt political statements. Usually they are most effective when they are done when it isn't the time or place.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #23)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:42 PM

25. +1,000

Three great men - 1968, Mexico!!

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #23)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:24 PM

43. always will be heroes in my book

 

they did the right thing.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 08:50 AM

56. How else does he draw attention to it?

 

He has a platform (for now*), he used it, and people are talking.


I say for now because SF was planning on cutting him prior to this. They couldnt do it earlier because he was injured.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:40 PM

5. Meanwhile, we have a few hundred elected officials....

.....who pay lip service by saying the pledge every morning before sitting down to cut some more veteran's benefits.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:44 PM

9. And they're making the most noise

Fugg 'em!

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:43 PM

8. Well, Semper Fi, bro, but I disagree...

much ado about nothing in my opinion. Hey, I'm a Seattle Seahwawk fan, so I'm required to hate the punk because of the uniform he plays in, but freedom of speech includes speech and actions that I'd rather not support.

I stand for the Anthem, and at 63, I'm just glad I can stand up. Many vets my age can't. As for a football player, well I'll say the same thing we said during Vietnam, we're serving to preserve his right to free speech.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:54 PM

14. After finding out last year that the DOD paid millions of dollars

to pro sports organizations for "military tributes", I find the whole thing hypocritical. If the NFL is so patriotic, why didn't they refuse such payment. The money would have been better used toward veteran care. The NFL is an entertainment business and their "patriotism" is part of the show.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:02 PM

17. I Disagree. I Am A Vietnam Vet And I Support Him.

 

He has a point. Plus the national anthem was written by a hateful racist and slave holder. One verse was left out that should have disqualified that anthem. Besides he is speaking for others who have been denied opportunities that he has had.

One thing is sure if Trumpshit wins I probably won't stand up in the future and I may not pledge.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:04 PM

18. how is not standing shitting on the country ? supporting trump is shitting on the country

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:12 PM

52. exactly!!!

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:41 PM

24. "I have great respect for the men and women that have fought for this country." - Colin Kaepernick

It ain't about your military family or mine.

Read his entire message.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:29 PM

36. In that case, cut out the bogus patriotism.

 

The people are the country. A constitutional state is the country. Flags and songs are just that: flags and songs.

The flag is a piece of cloth. Worshipping the flag is not a sign of good citizenship. It mostly says you are ready to follow blindly any fool who waves a piece of cloth. It is unpatriotic to follow blindly!

The great scandal of our schools is that children know some crazy socialist preacher's "Pledge of Allegiance" to a piece of cloth, but they don't know the actual Constitution of their own country. This is one reason why so much shit is accepted that should not be.

The anthem is a war song that continues (in further stanzas) with a glorification of how runaway slaves were massacred.

Worshipping flags and singing anthems are religious rituals that do not befit the self-actualized citizens of a democratic, constitutional, secular republic.

As for your veteran relatives, they certainly sacrificed and no doubt believed it was for the defense of the country or some other high ideal, But unless they fought in the Second World War, that is just not so. Since 1945, the wars have almost always been for empire. U.S. soldiers had no business killing people (or being killed in return) in Vietnam, or Iraq, or Lebanon. Your veterans don't have any beef with people who protest these mass murders, or who sit through a song. Their beef should with a government that turned into a global empire.

They certainly didn't do anything to defend Colin Kaepernick or his rights. That is preposterous. His rights are natural, guaranteed under a rule of law, and in reality defended by people who fight for their rights when under attack right here at home, not by Marines in Syria or wherever.

Sorry that you don't like these realities.

Kaepernick is the patriot!

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #36)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:59 PM

50. Koepenick

I think you did this on purpose

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Response to reorg (Reply #50)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 05:18 PM

65. Subconsciously, yes.

 

Just not used to the spelling of the (real) man's name, so it kept coming out that way.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #36)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 10:53 AM

58. Hear, hear!

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:42 PM

38. I believe this is exactly the right that soldiers have fought and died for.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:33 PM

46. Feel the same

 

Not just Vets but John, Martin, Medgar, and Bobby, too. This is a country which seeks a more perfect union. I always stand for that.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:36 PM

47. Part of being in a free country (what your generations of Marines fought for)

is not forcing people to all fall in line. Kaepernick made his choice and whether you or I agree, it is his choice.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:38 PM

3. I honestly don't get the uproar over this.

Being forced to stand for the anthem is, I don't know, enforced patriotism? Maybe a form of fascism?

It's obligating a person to worship in the secular church of patriotism, and we are supposed to have separation of church and state. Of course, lots of schools make their football players pray, and high school students usually are too browbeaten and bullied to be able to stand up to enforced religion.

But as adults, we really REALLY ought to be able to opt out.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:41 PM

6. I'm a veteran and I found it incredibly disrespectful.

 

And I would think so whether the guy was white or black.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:45 PM

39. Well, this veteran took an oath five times

to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. That Constitution guarantees the right to peacefully protest.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #39)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:19 PM

53. I'm aware of that.

 

Doesn't mean I have to like what he did.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:42 PM

7. I think Kaepernick has the right to choose

Just like the people who support and condemn him have a right to their say. That's the beauty of free speech and expression.

Whether you agree or disagree with Kaepernick, he has received an avalanche of media attention. It's hard not to bump into this story on TV or through social media.

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Response to True Dough (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:53 AM

64. Very well stated.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:47 PM

10. We still have freedom of expression here

and he was exercising his.

Like it or not, it's his right to do so.

Just like it's the right of people who find symbols extremely important to object to it.

Eventually it will all blow over and we can get back to fighting over something that might actually affect our lives.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:55 PM

16. If we lack the option to stand or sit, our country's ideals are empty rhetoric

Our freedoms are strengthtened every time someone excercises them.

We're either about freedom, or we aren't. End of discussion.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:52 PM

12. At least he's not praying to win games like some people.



There's getting to be too much religion in football these days, I'm throwing all my steeler stuff away and tuning out.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:54 PM

15. Oh their gawd was all over the

Jamaican track team - win or lose. I laugh at that big time.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:18 PM

22. Sorry - don't understand...........

What's THAT all about (your Steeler complaint)?

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 08:59 AM

57. Too much is right, can blame Tim Tebow who is now

 

pursuing a spot in professional baseball.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:52 PM

13. first world problems....

Sheesh.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:09 PM

19. I don't give a fuck about overpaid athletes.

Their opinions mean nothing.

How does he feel about all the murders in Chicago?

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Response to cwydro (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:49 PM

28. ^^^ THIS ^^^ nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:11 PM

20. Why is not standing for the anthem disrespectful to veterans?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:13 PM

21. "Quarterback says country is a disaster: Ban him....


Real estate developer says country is a disaster: Nominate him for President.
- Bob Schooley on Twitter.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:20 AM

63. There it is.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 05:26 PM

66. Bingo! nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:47 PM

26. He's done with football anyway. So he had nothing to lose.

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:47 PM

27. From people shouting "Make America Great Again"

 

Well if it's not great, why the fuck should you care if he stands or not?

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Response to vi5 (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:49 PM

29. Well said

Poutrage!!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:50 PM

30. This is the sort of bullshit that is grist for the rw AM radio crowd.

There isn't an god damn law that says you have to stand up. It's all crazy.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:59 PM

31. i careless whether he sits or stands but,,,

as him being a Trump supporter, I hope he loses his job!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 05:59 PM

32. you can be proud of your country

and not be proud of everything in it

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:11 PM

33. I was under the impression he was protesting by the way he was playing on the field

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:14 PM

34. It Is His Right

Everyone is not treated equally in this country.

The right wingers who rip him for this, saying it is unpatriotic don't understand patriotism.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:24 PM

35. Kaep is HONORING the TRUE meaning of what the U.S. flag represents.

 


Freedom to say and do what you without harming others -while paranoid, racist, hate-mongers sling crap at you.

yeah, what else is new?

Nothing new under the sun..

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 06:32 PM

37. I am FAR more offended by those who think they are the arbiters of what is or is not "pariotism."

Last time I looked, this was still more or less a free country, and not a fascist, dictatorial state where people are forced to stand at attention for nationalistic songs, or pledge allegiance to a flag and its country's leaders. This isn't North Korea, but there are sure enough people who want to turn it into another one.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:01 PM

41. Thanks. Malaise

My sentiments, exactly!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:23 PM

42. this person who happens to be an athlete

 

and social awareness has my respect, money andd false patriotism has not made him a hypocrite. I'm like someone posted below. If trumpenfuhrer wins, I WILL NEVER stand again for the national anthem that represents a certain segment of our population and is representative of a country that shits on many other citizens without hope of ever seeing racism die in this country.. Fuck the hypocrites that are whining. This has always been a safe haven for their hypocrisy and bullshit. Fox news prime example. YOUGODUDE!!!!!!!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:29 PM

44. Turning their backs to the flag

My daughter played on a Women's College Hockey team at the beginning of the Iraq War. At one game the Canadian players on both teams turned their backs to the American Flag when the Anthem was being played. Then the American players did the same. People in the stands started sitting down. It all just kind of spread and really showed just how so many players and spectators felt about the Iraq War. It wasn't about America, but what America, and a certain President, was DOING.

It made national news, and it spread to other college sporting events at the time. You must have heard of it.


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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #44)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:32 PM

45. It was the right thing to do

Great stuff

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:42 PM

48. Do Jehovah's Witnesses stand for the flag etc. Other groups?

I fail to see how one man expressing himself is such a tragedy? Instead, how about some dialogue without the invectives and calls to patriotism? I'm a retired veteran, spent time in Uncle Donald's sand box and personally, I am sick of the god and country crap that surrounds our sporting events. I do stand at the playing of the anthem, but I don't get filled with pride. I mostly remember the BS I saw and smelled in Iraq and the guys who didn't come home or came home feeling far from OK.

When teaturds fly their flags upside down, I don't hear the outcry from the patriotic crowd. Nobody seems to blast the KKK when they display old glory. I think a lot of this comes from being taught to pledge allegiance to the flag at an early age, and all too often. Orwell knew how this worked and so do the powers that be. We're taught to strive for conformity and genuflect to authority. Going against the grain is tricky business - especially when it involves the flag.

If the American people truly knew what a complete crime the invasion of Iraq was, we'd be out in the streets burning flags until lil' george and dick and rummy and their minions were arrested and put on trial!!!!

USA USA



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Response to shadowmayor (Reply #48)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:48 PM

49. Great post

I had a nephew in Iraq

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Response to shadowmayor (Reply #48)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:13 AM

61. I worked with a JW woman in public school

When the kids stood for the Pledge and faced the flag, she went to the back of the room to do paperwork. She told me something to the effect that her religion considered it worshiping a false god. Another time a Wiccan student said basically the same thing.

If these people want to scream about Muslims not being patriotic and blasting that religion, will they make the same accusations against Jehovah Witnesses and Wiccans also? We've heard about Atheists refusing to say "under God" in the Pledge many, many times in the past.

There is an agenda in this country against all people of a particular religion, and it is being fueled for political gains.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #61)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 05:28 PM

67. I do it every time I say it. One nation, indivisible, and justice for all. It's a 1.5 second pause.

Atheist.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 08:07 PM

51. Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 12:23 AM

54. Freedom = conformity and obedience!

Implied the yahoos who were, of course, not talking about their own freedom to do whatever they want to anybody and anything.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 12:31 AM

55. K&R


This image is for critics of a dead comedian, named Gene Wilder...

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Response to Jeffersons Ghost (Reply #55)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:00 AM

59. LOL

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:12 AM

60. Simplest Possible Solution

Quit playing the national anthem before sporting events. Has nothing to do with the reason anybody is there, or watching on TV.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Aug 30, 2016, 11:16 AM

62. People fought and killed and died so he would have that right.

Again I say: People love freedom 'til someone expresses some.

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