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LAS VEGAS (KSNV News3LV) An argument outside a North Las Vegas McDonalds turned deadly for a 31-year-old man.
Family members of Mohammad Robinson say he died Saturday night after he mistakenly did not hold the door open for a woman.
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The friend told Sampson, her father got into an argument with a woman that was upset that a door into the McDonalds was not held open for her. The woman notified a man she was with and that man pulled out a gun and shot Robinson.
The victims girlfriend who did not want to show her face says Mohammed was a respectful man.
http://news3lv.com/news/local/man-shot-and-killed-for-not-holding-the-door-open-for-woman
Hold the door open for a woman and it means you are a sexist pig who hates all women. Don't hold it open and you get shot.
My advice: Just stay home.
demmiblue
(39,719 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)One would think there would be nothing to discuss. One human does something nice for another. But on DU - doors are magical. They completely define a person and who they are.
brer cat
(27,587 posts)a door buzzard. That is an undisputedly defining characteristic, and it does spark a bit of interest on DU.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And I hope there is no door mat wishing me a merry Christmas
unblock
(56,198 posts)brer cat
(27,587 posts)Do you think we should share this theory with the police? Motive is always important.
demmiblue
(39,719 posts)seaglass
(8,185 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Ford_Prefect
(8,610 posts)usedtobedemgurl
(2,050 posts)In fact, I insist they open my door and they know that is one of my rules if they want to be with me.
I cannot imagine ever shooting someone over not doing that. How awful.
Bad Thoughts
(2,657 posts)By all means, do anyone the courtesy of holding the door for them, but women have no special right to this on their own.
usedtobedemgurl
(2,050 posts)I live in a different world than the average person and in my world I actually do have a special right to demand *people who are with me* (not strangers) open my door. They would not be with me if they did not. I am very up front about that and other rules I have. In my lifestyle my rules are it or the door is that way. I know it sounds harsh but people know what to expect and it is a very select few who are let in.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)In fact, some men insist their woman cooks every meal for him and the woman knows that is a rule if they want to be with him.
I cannot imagine them shooting the woman over not doing that.
usedtobedemgurl
(2,050 posts)I know you are trying to drive home a point but you are comparing apples to oranges. I am a dominatrix. he submissives who enter my world expect me to have rules and I do. One is that doors are to be held open for me. There are others as well but that is my business.
And I too said it was awful and I cannot see anyone shooting anyone over that. The worst someone would get in my world is a spanking or perhaps a flogging.
My pain point is I do not see anyone as a sexist pig for opening doors for me. Is this something you think differently about? Do you think those people are sexist pigs? Otherwise you missed my whole point.
Warpy
(114,615 posts)and that is common courtesy for both sexes.
Letting a door slam in somebody's face is not.
Likely the poor guy just didn't see her behind him.
Men who are fixated on door ettiquette as a sex based thing need to get over it and focus on courtesy.
ProfessorGAC
(76,702 posts)Lots of smaller stores have the airlock so cold or hot air doesn't come roaring in.
So, i open the door on the outside for someone, they go through, they say thanks, then when they get to the second door they open it and hold it for me.
I always say "Thanks, now we're even!
DiverDave
(5,245 posts)Is "hey, instant karma" the younger crowd seems to not get it.
Amaril
(1,267 posts).....the person who gets to the door first -- be they male of female -- should courteously hold the door open for another person -- be they male or female -- that is following close enough behind that the door would rudely slam in their face if not held.
But that's just me.
usedtobedemgurl
(2,050 posts)I did not think it would raise such ire and I really do not usually share my sex life here. I feel people quoting the 'in my world' part took it all the wrong way and I should have explained that my world includes me being a dominatrix and being served by submissives. They are almost always with me and are there to do what I need to be done - such as open the door.
I would never expect this from a regular person and nor would I get angry or shoot someone if it did not happen. I have rules in my world just like vanillas do in their world. Vanillas decide to be monogamous or that we do not put elbows on the table during meals or no cell phones out during the movie. I have my own set of rules too. Everyone does, I just state them all up front before considering going out with someone.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It's a story about someone who got shot for this, and you say that in your world men who don't keep doors open for women are sexist pigs. You making this about you is problematic, especially if it's really just about your sex life. No one cares.
usedtobedemgurl
(2,050 posts)I am sorry if you misread what I wrote. The OP said that people call people that and I told him that does not apply for me and I enjoy people holding open the door.
usedtobedemgurl
(2,050 posts)being a dominatrix has nothing to do with sex at all. Not for me, anyway. I never thought anyone was interested in my lifestyle. I commented on the OP saying men who open doors are pigs. I stated I insist on it but not doing so is never cause in any situation to shoot someone. People got hostile about me saying I insist on my guys opening doors and so I decided to explain. Again, my lifestyle is indeed a lifestyle and not about sex. That being said, my world is relevant because the OP talked about men opening doors being considered pigs. I insist on men opening doors (the ones that are with me) as other women do that are not even in the lifestyle. I wanted to get across that as much as it is appreciated, no one deserves to die and some women do like it.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)The only time I ever wished for men to show me an extra courtesy was when I was about 9 months pregnant and standing on a swaying bus. Two seated and very healthy looking young men continued chatting with each other. I said nothing. I was too busy trying to not fall over.
The person who rose and gave me her seat was an elderly and tiny grandma. I fell into it as the bus gave another lurch. I was so grateful.
My husband opens doors for me and others all the time. Except car doors. Somehow those don't register, lol.
Shooting people over nothing is an unfortunate American pathology.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Because IF you are not polite, you will get your ass SHOT!
More guns everyone, more guns!
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)than not holding a door open. There is no law that says you have to hold a door open for someone, but I do recall killing someone being illegal in this country. In the battle of who is the rudest, I'd say the shooter always wins. I bet this was racially motivated... if the shooter was a white guy. I don't think it said in the article. It has a KKK feel to it.... southern white man killing a black man for a simple slight against a white woman.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)And my remarks above were to that absurdity of that situation.
Someone gets pissed off over the slightest thing and BANG, your dead. So you will be nice to me or I might shoot your ass mentality sets in.
Goes right along with the mentality that every loud noise is gun fire, just someone else who wasn't polite getting shot maybe.
Here is a story about armed means polite: http://www.newsweek.com/armed-society-polite-society-149701
jmg257
(11,996 posts)"There is no accurate measure for tracking national gun sales, but the Professional Gun Retailers Association estimates that in the two months following the attacks, guns and ammunition sales rose 10 percent over the same period a year ago...And applications for concealed-weapons permits have risen dramatically in states where statistics are available, including Colorado, Texas, Washington and South Dakota."
...
"A few local sheriffs have gotten into the game, encouraging gun ownership among citizens. In Larimer County, Colo., Sheriff Jim Alderden waived the normal $100 application fee for a concealed-weapons permit application after Sept. 11. More than 1,500 people in the county have applied for the permit since the fee was revoked, nearly double the number that applied over the last two years. "An armed society is a polite society," says Alderden."
Of course those numbers pale in comparison to the last few years.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)An armed society doesn't equal a polite society. US is proof of that.
sinkingfeeling
(57,835 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Murder at Cornell.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)It is about guns.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)flirting or just talking to her . She just wanted him to shoot the man.
He did.
Just Rude or beyond barbaric?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)raccoon
(32,390 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)It says "an armed society is a polite society". I wonder where the hell they are living, because, as a nation, we are getting ruder and crasser every year.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)Shoot first and ask questions later attitude is where we are headed.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and to this day I have no idea what I did to trigger it. I was at a stop sign, and someone on the intersecting street (which did not have a stop) was waiting to turn left. After a few seconds, he is clear to turn and does so. I am then able to proceed. I see him stopped on the side, but thought nothing about it, since street parking is legal. When I pass him, he starts following me. After a while I pull over, he pulls next to me and stops. I ask him if there is a problem. He said "doing things like that can get you shot". I asked what I did (too shocked to be scared at that point) and he accused me of flipping him off. Wow, you shoot people for things like that. I swear, this guy was serious as shit. The only thing I can think I could have possibly done is knock my cigarette ash out my window (no, I don't toss the butts, just the ash).
raccoon
(32,390 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I was stupid to have pulled over. I should have called 911 and just kept driving.
raccoon
(32,390 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I hold doors for both men and women.
It's simple courtesy.
I always hold the door for the next person, regardless of their gender. I don't expect special door "privileges" as a woman; I just expect common courtesy from everyone
ETA: on further reflection of this thread, that's not meant to imply that someone should be shot for not holding a door. lol
MiniMe
(21,883 posts)I do the same thing, I am a woman too. The fact that you could be shot for not holding the door is ridiculous. It is a sad statement about our society these days.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)ProfessorGAC
(76,702 posts)Now, i always open the car door and let my wife get in, then close it when she's settled before i go around to get in.
But, that started when i was still trying to impress her!! Now, it's just habit!
Kidding, of course.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)started to drive away before she got in
marble falls
(71,924 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)I suppose the shooter could have been from the south...
treestar
(82,383 posts)Seem tone the major issue here. Someone had a gun and lacked self control and killed someone for no reason.
Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)For some it's just easier. The more people who are armed, the more things like this will happen. Guns do not make people safer.
uppityperson
(116,020 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 30, 2016, 09:34 AM - Edit history (1)
it figures. Next it will be don't look whites directly in the eye. Oh wait, that's already happening. Freddie Gray died in Baltimore for doing that. Death by being pummeled in the back of a police van with all metal interior. Never mind!.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)I can guess with almost certainty and IAMSURE it has everything to do with trumpenfuhrerfever. If wrong, okay......
I didn't set the precedent I have been working with all my life
. Have a good day
Dreamer Tatum
(10,996 posts)What a joke.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)have their problems, yet I feel sure that work being done intra-race, to continually educate people on the "precedent" I mentioned above and how it has created a lot of self hate reinforced over generations of purposeful "precedent" setting, will one day bear fruit and people will learn who their true enemies are. Now back to my precentages and certain probability that I am right about my 'feelings' on motives for this murder.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,996 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)same demographic difference. my mistake.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Every one that I've ever seen is. You're a little bit obsessed. Does the story even mention the race of the shooter? What does a shooting at McDonalds have to do with Trump or Gray?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)geez
well okay. I wonder why an idiot who I presume was a different race from the person he murdered would be allowed to carry a GUNZZZZZ. Oh wait Arizona, wild west mentality and anyone with half/quarter a brain can carry. How about thatc for gunz issue....
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)...esp. the gun-controller/banners. They never miss their target.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)with Heaven05's posts.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)get outside your little bubble and try to understand what is going on in the real world. I talk about race because sssshhhhhh, don't tell anyone, america has a racist culture and I am one of it's 'others'......bye
gollygee
(22,336 posts)African Americans have been punished and killed for pretty much all of US history for not being polite enough, particularly to white women. Heaven's perspective is valuable. Why do you feel it's OK for you to tell him what of his perspective he can offer?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)Took this and tried to make himself into the victim of the women who thought certain things were sexist.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)I thought that is what human beings do for each other.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)Seriously? That's what you got from my post. Does being considerate towards other human beings include shooting them in your world?
Bucky
(55,334 posts)I mean, you know, the kind of gun that shoots bullets over the internet.
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)and then making yourself (who opposes gun control) to be the victim of feminists .
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)Protalker
(418 posts)Remember no white after Labor Day
jmg257
(11,996 posts)argument with "a few choice words", and sicks her freak boyfriend on him escalating the situation till someone gets murdered.
Yep some people should not be allowed access to guns (or raise kids).
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)If she feels that doors should be opened for her, why didn't her boyfriend do it?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)In my mind I am betting the woman and the shooter are white drug users (sounds much nicer than meth heads)
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I highly doubt any of the players involved were attending seminars on microaggressions, benevolent feminism or gun safety classes in their spare time. Y'know, the things DU dwells on like they have any relation to the real ugly world.
boston bean
(36,931 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)that the whole "men who open doors for women are sexist" thing was pretty ridiculous.
kcr
(15,522 posts)Oh, that's right. It wasn't.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)kcr
(15,522 posts)Huh
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022516837
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022523429
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12553997
Lots of comic gold in those. I miss the days when we could talk about something besides the election.
kcr
(15,522 posts)No one had a problem with holding open doors in them. So, it wasn't a thing. I was right!
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)kcr
(15,522 posts)I did read through them. I've also been around DU and remember when these things happened. It was never a thing on DU when people argued that doors shouldn't be held for women. You were wrong.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)If you actually read through the links, you'll see that I was right. I was around for those two and got some blistering replies back to me, all in good fun of course. I miss those days.
kcr
(15,522 posts)Bucky
(55,334 posts)I'm gonna go out on a limb here and speculate that drugs or alcohol might've been involved.
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kcr
(15,522 posts)Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)Thank you good night...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)it would melt down the entire forum...
Besides, 4-5 years later, my ass is still bruised from the last major "holding the door" thread..
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)agenda anyone?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Do I go with "men's rights"... or "militant feminism"... or "gun nuts"... or maybe throw a curve ball and go with "Islamophobia", since the man was named Mohammad...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Kudos to the inventor of the gun.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Guy. He was a redneck who said, "where I come from, men don't hold the door open for other men."
I replied, "where I come from we don't marry our cousins'"
He was mad, but I didn't really care.
Divine Discontent
(21,057 posts)That's a good reply! I did the same for a guy recently and he started to act like he was upset then I stared politely at him and he said, "thank you". You don't have to say anything if I hold the door, but good grief, to be chastised for it? Wrong! I commend your bravery. Lol. Some would say that was dangerous but like you said, you don't care.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)of men being shot for not holding the door open for women.
Please do stay home until it is safe for you to be around doors again.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"Hold the door open for a woman and it means you are a sexist pig who hates all women. Don't hold it open and you get shot."
What kind of shit is that? What an ignorant comment by the author of the article.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)and about our ridiculous guns per capita number:
Rank Country Guns per 100 Residents
1 United States 112.6
2 Serbia 75.6
3 Yemen 54.8
4 Switzerland 45.7
closeupready
(29,503 posts)competed on the show, and they got fairly far through the competition. Towards the end of their run, the stress of enduring a long period of hunger, sleeplessness, etc. began to wear down the male.
I recall he complained that nobody spoke with his girlfriend, as if she didn't exist or didn't count.
Then in the next episode, he complained that another guy was speaking with her.
This thread, that Survivor season, walking past the desnudas in Times Square .... all of these makes me grateful to God that He blessed me, as a man, with gayness. I say that with some levity, but definitely also with dead seriousness. Heterosexuals bicker over the most stupid shit imaginable.
uppityperson
(116,020 posts)killed him.
Squaredeal
(733 posts)...but one time I didn't see him and he got angry and confronted me for not holding the door for him. I apologized and told him I didn't see him behind me. He staulked into the store.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)Maybe they thought I was treating them like women? I do it for everyone if I notice them.
Some people are very strange.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)obvious poster is obvious.
you should lecture me again about how awesomely liberal you are when you're not posting on DU, that was fun.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)pansypoo53219
(23,034 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)AxelAmerica
(4 posts)I fed my hound, 1776, two of their stink-hole, chemical cosh burgers to reward him for a good retrieval earlier. His reaction? He retched and then puked them both up again, fast as they went down.
They were barely cowpats, much the same out as they went in, though less solid.
He'd barely digested them and his system instantly went, ALERT! ALERT! foreign body, NWO germ warfare particles, REJECT! REJECT! This proves it's all a front. These burgers! They are a multi-billion pound corporation and theres not even a gram of meat in them. Basically, they are feeding us excrement.
Its Big Machiavellian!
Orrex
(67,111 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(20,005 posts)I hold open doors for anyone coming in behind me - male or female. People of both sexes hold doors for me all the time.
I don't think it's one bit sexist. I just think it's being polite.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)Just teach you drivers there to drive better!
I'm sorry, but I always felt like people on the interstates there thought we were all "bumper cars" when I've passed through that city on my way out West on I-70!
leftyladyfrommo
(20,005 posts)I drive all the time and I think most drivers here are pretty courteous. But I stay off the highways during rush hour if I can.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)... and I just had some unfortunate experiences while passing through on I-70.
If anyone just stayed on I-70 or I-75 through Ohio, they'd probably think it was the ugliest place in the USA.
Ohio has some beautiful areas, but it's hard to tell from the interstates because of all the businesses jammed up against them. Well, not so much along the eastern part of I-70, I guess.
I used to visit my brother in Colorado frequently, and St. Louis was a problem because the signs were misleading. I'd get in the far left lane to stay on I-70, but later a sign would indicate that the far right lane was the correct one. That sort of thing. KC seemed to have cars that often came close to hitting mine, as I already shared. Salina, KS was the place to watch out for highway troopers. If you even barely went over the speed limit there, you'd get a ticket. I avoided that trouble after warnings from my brother. There were indeed lots of vehicles pulled over in that area each time that I passed through.
I should have at least stopped at KC for some barbecue... or something! I never explored that city, unfortunately.
JI7
(93,615 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)raccoon
(32,390 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Warped.
DLevine
(1,791 posts)riversedge
(80,810 posts)............Sampson believes her father died because of a misunderstanding.
My dad would open the door and hold it for the lady but he probably didn't hear her, said Sampson.
Sampson prays the murderer is caught soon. The 14-year-old tells us her heart will be forever broken.
I love him. I wish he was still here, said Sampson.
If anyone would like to help the family with funeral donations, click here.
Honest.Dem
(30 posts)Still, there seems to be absolutely no reason for the guy to pull his gun out.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)with a straw, obviously. Armed = polite, duh.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)The 25-year-old Las Vegas man who escaped custody after fatally shooting a father of four outside a fast food restaurant was recaptured Tuesday evening, police said.
Alonso Perez allegedly shot and killed Mohammed Robinson on Aug. 27 after the 31-year-old father failed to hold the door for an unidentified woman at a North Las Vegas McDonalds.
Cops nabbed Perez on Friday but the slippery crook managed to get out of a pair of handcuffs while left unattended in an interrogation room.
He twisted them until they broke, North Las Vegas police officer Aaron Patty said.
Suspect in McDonald's slaying escapes from custody
After bolting from the station, Perez stole a Ford F-250 work truck from a nearby parking lot and remained on the lam until 8 p.m. Tuesday when cops finally found him again.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/las-vegas-cops-recapture-man-killed-father-mcdonald-article-1.2780818
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)We'll never know I guess.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)I can't imagine how twisted someone has to be to kill someone over such a trivial matter.