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elleng

(131,234 posts)
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 04:37 PM Sep 2016

4 maps that will change how you see migration in Europe.

Did you know that Polish people represent the highest percentage of the foreign-born population in Norway? Or that the largest proportion of immigrants to the Republic of Ireland hail from the UK?

These four maps, created by Jakub Marian, a Czech linguist, mathematician and artist, are based on a 2015 study by the United Nations on international migration. They show European migration split into various numbers:

1. The percentage of the population of each country that is made up of foreign-born migrants

2. The most common country of origin for that number

3. Whether that number has gone up or down in the past five years

4. The immigrant populations that are expanding the most

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/08/these-4-maps-might-change-how-you-think-about-migration-in-europe/

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4 maps that will change how you see migration in Europe. (Original Post) elleng Sep 2016 OP
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #1
Though one figure for the UK has just been superseded - the most common country of birth muriel_volestrangler Sep 2016 #2
After looking at this map, I had to wonder if anyone was left in Poland Warpy Sep 2016 #6
That was largely what Brexit was about muriel_volestrangler Sep 2016 #7
Fascinating treestar Sep 2016 #3
Note: the 2015 figures are just assumptions of universal growth in some, if not all, cases muriel_volestrangler Sep 2016 #4
Very interesting! Mme. Defarge Sep 2016 #5

muriel_volestrangler

(101,392 posts)
2. Though one figure for the UK has just been superseded - the most common country of birth
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:04 PM
Sep 2016

(other than the UK) is now Poland, not India:

Poland overtakes India as country of origin, UK migration statistics show

There were an estimated 831,000 Polish-born residents in 2015 - a jump of almost 750,000 compared with the number in 2004, the year the country joined the EU. India and the Republic of Ireland have traditionally been the sources of the UK's largest foreign-born groups.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37183733

Warpy

(111,392 posts)
6. After looking at this map, I had to wonder if anyone was left in Poland
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:33 PM
Sep 2016

We don't hear much about them beyond the strict Catholic, homophobic government. I did realize most migration within Europe was internal European migration.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,392 posts)
7. That was largely what Brexit was about
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 05:09 AM
Sep 2016

People complaining there are too many 'foreigners' in Britain; and people from EU countries can come and go without any sort of visa or work permit. Poland is the largest of the central/eastern European countries in the EU where low-paid workers have come from.

From the UN figures I refer to below, I see that in 2010, just over 4 million - about one tenth of the Polish-born population - was living abroad; 1.8 million in Germany, 0.6 million in the UK, and 3.3 million for Europe overall (including non-EU countries). From Portugal, about 1.3 million live in other European countries, with a home population of 10.3 million.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
3. Fascinating
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:19 PM
Sep 2016

for the most part it is not Muslims but other Europeans

And interesting that Angolans go to Portugal - you don't hear of any problems there generally.

Cubans going to Spain is interesting too.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,392 posts)
4. Note: the 2015 figures are just assumptions of universal growth in some, if not all, cases
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:26 PM
Sep 2016

Given my post above, about how Poland had overtaken India for the UK foreign-born figure, I thought I'd look at how the UN figures had compared with what the UK's Office for National Statistics had actually worked out. The UN figures seem to come from here: http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/data/estimates2/estimates15.shtml where there's a big (5M) Excel file "International migrant stock By destination and origin". That has tables for 2015, 2010, 2005, etc. for each country. So I compared the 2010 and 2015 figures (I was surprised that the UN thought India had grown the most over that period), and it turn out every figure for those born outside the UK in 2015 is just the 2010 figure with 12.34% added.

2005 to 2010 growth figures do look as though they're real statistics, rather than assumptions.

On edit: same for France - all 2015 figures are just 8.18% higher than 2010 figures. It doesn't apply to Belgium, though. But that does mean that the 4th map is pretty useless, since the figures for some countries are real, and for some are assumptions. Whether the overall growth for each country is real, or a guess, I don't know - so map 3 may or may not be useless. Maps 1 and 2 will have some relation to reality, since the 2010 figures are real, so the 2015 figures won't be that far off.

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