Fess up! Who here wants "Obamacare" repealed or overturned by SCOTUS?

[banned from Kos]

Statistics show that roughly 60% of Americans want it repealed (I do NOT, fwiw). Therefore many Democrat leaning people oppose it due to its individual mandate or lack of single-payer.

Are you a progressive who wants the law struck down?

[Nye Bevan]

1. Not me. My wife has a pre-existing condition.

The current setup is nothing short of cruel to people in her situation.

[SoutherDem]

2. No way, my only complaint is it isn't single payer

but this is a good start.

[Nye Bevan]

5. Single payer would be better but was politically impossible.

I would take Obamacare (and I think we should embrace that term) over the current system any day.

[dadchef]

39. I have a pre-existing condition as well, and I don't like it one bit..

If the Feds can compel us to buy anything from an industry, when will the next shoe drop?

If you think the Presidency will not eventually go to a Repub is not thinking far enough ahead. The same with congress..

If President Jeb Bush, and say, Issa as speaker where to take control, with Rubio as leader of this future Senate, what tea party wet dream could we be facing? What is good for the goose etc..

I love the attempt by this administration, except for mandates. I hope the entire law is found unconstitutional, so this threat stops here and now! Let the law be rewritten correctly this time, with the limitations in place..

Trust me, if it goes down, and we will win in November, the country will demand that the best of this law will have to be included in the next. Now that we got teased with this attempt the country will expect our future congress and Pres. will be compelled to correct it..

[Kablooie]

49. They could make it a tax instead. Would that be better?

It's pretty much the same thing.
Except the money goes to private companies.
But that's still the same as tax money that goes to private military contractors.

[dadchef]

56. Of course a funding through the tax mechanism would be preferred.

But you take risks in doing so.. I'm sure that was what was contemplated this time around, but in this environment, the public doesn't like TAXES, and the opposition will use it against you in the next election..

No matter how you attempt to bring this size of project to the people, it has to be paid for, and alas that is the rub..

I thought we, our party, didn't act any better than the Repubics when the President tried to sell it.. The single payer would have been so much better, but the costs are prohibitive, and no one wants to pay for anything, they just have the want and need..

This program would have passed in a better economy, without the fuss, and a salesman as good as Obama, but he and we were confronted with this financial reality..

[doc03]

3. To be honest I don't really know much about it. There has been so much

misinformation from the right and so little information from the Democrats I just don't know.

[Nye Bevan]

11. Key points

- everyone must purchase health insurance, or be covered by an employer plan (low income people get subsidized);
- insurance companies are required to sell coverage to anyone who wants it, at the same price for all, regardless of what medical conditions they may have;
- lifetime limits in health insurance policies are abolished;
- insurance companies must allow children to remain on their parents' policies up to the age of 26.

There are some other features like requiring insurance companies to cover preventive care with no deductible or copay, but these are the main points.

[doc03]

15. Everyone must purchase insurance? At what cost? What about the so

called "Death Panels"? What about the $500 billion cut in Medicare all the Republicans blame
Obama for?

[Nye Bevan]

16. "Death panels" are nothing but a Republican talking point.

Here is a table with info about the premium subsidies:



See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Effective_by_January_1.2C_2014

[JDPriestly]

35. If you are working poor with a job that does not provide insurance, right now,

you face a death panel in that you can't get long-term care for say cancer or a chronic condition

[Kablooie]

51. Death panels are a Palin invention. An idea she invented out of pure hot air.

[xchrom]

4. I really wish the Unrec button was still around. Nt

[dionysus]

10. why don't you just answer the question? nt

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[girl gone mad]

41. Read Prosense's response below..

and maybe you will get a clue.

[ProSense]

6. Two things:

Fess up! Who here wants "Obamacare" repealed or overturned by SCOTUS?

Statistics show that roughly 60% of Americans want it repealed (I do NOT, fwiw). Therefore many Democrat leaning people oppose it due to its individual mandate or lack of single-payer.

Are you a progressive who wants the law struck down?

...1) Check your stats and 2) It's "Democrat(ic) leaning people."



More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002784980

[peacebird]

7. The law has enabled my brother to get coverage for his wife, they won't lose their home if she gets

Sick.... This is important.

So NO, I do not want it struck down. I would prefer the option for younger adults to buy in to medicare, that would get more healthy folks paying in. But i do not want the affordable care act struck down.

[aikoaiko]

8. It won't help me at all and will even cost me about a $1000.

And I'm still for it.

[Nye Bevan]

13. "It won't help me".

That's like saying your home insurance policy won't help you because you know your house won't burn down. ANYBODY could start getting a headache and dizzy spells TOMORROW, go to the doctor, and be diagnosed with a brain tumor. That could be over a million dollars in health care costs right there.

[aikoaiko]

24. You're missing my point.

I have health insurance and long-term care insurance now. It will cost me $1000 because I won't be able to put the full $6000 on my tax free flex spending card.

Even though the new law doesn't do much for me (even costs me some money), I'm for it because others need it now.

Plus someday my fortune could change and maybe I will need it or someone in my family.

[JDPriestly]

36. I know people who were diagnosed with cancer. None of them expected it.

It's really tough. The treatments impoverish average people.

[sabrina 1]

9. 'democrat leaning people'!

Who would they be?

Wait, you meant 'democratic leaning people'.

[MiniMe]

30. Good catch

[Ishoutandscream2]

12. Wanted single payer. But this will do

I support Obamacare.

[phleshdef]

14. Anyone who wants to see it repealed is either short sighted or a cold hearted bastard....

...or both.

The only thing its really missing is a robust public option plan. If we could ever get that created in the future, then we'd have about the best next thing there is to a single payer system. On top of that, its going to save lives. It already has.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

17. If Medicare for all is not possible, then leave it be for now... nt

[NRaleighLiberal]

18. "statistics show" - whose?

[white_wolf]

19. I do have major problems with the individual mandate.

It is a right-wing solution created by the Heritage Foundation that doesn't address the real problem. If people could afford health insurance,they would buy it without a mandate. I don't think mandates solve our health care problem. Only Single-Payer or a nationalized healthcare system can do that. However, I don't want it struck down, simply because a lot of the other provisions in the healthcare bill are good things for the short-term.

[JDPriestly]

37. But with the mandate comes financial assistance so that most people can afford the insurance.

That is often forgotten.

[MADem]

20. Not me--and it doesn't affect me PERSONALLY if it does get repealed.

I have TRICARE, and military interests are well represented on K Street.

[RZM]

21. Hell no. It's better than what we had

And striking it down would return to the status quo and begin another (losing) battle for something more. Policy is baby steps. It would be nice if we could will single payer into existence, but that's not how the world works. We got this and I'm happy to accept it. Fuck anybody who wants to throw away what we have to make a statement about what we want and then end up with nothing. That's not how society progresses.

You get something, you accept it, and then you agitate for more. You don't throw away your accomplishments in order to prove to everybody that something else is better. You prove that something else is better by saying thank you for what you get and then resuming your quest for that better thing, without jeopardizing what you've already accomplished.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. Simple: We have a "federal" government, NOT a "national" government.

The US Government has no right (the gubmint HAS NO RIGHTS) to tell the citizens of the 50 states they have to do ANYTHING regarding buying a PRODUCT from a privately owned corporation.

To those who instinctively cry BUT BUT BUT... CAR INSURANCE!!! I would only say check who's FORCING you to buy that insurance. It's not the fucking US Government, it's your fucking STATE. Pay attention for once. Then read the Constitution, and PAY ATTENTION to the BoR. Please take into account something you've probably NEVER even considered... The BoR DOES NOT confer any rights upon you as a citizen. It LIMITS what the government can DO TO YOU.

For the reasons I state here, I HOPE the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE portion of "Obamacare" gets repealed. Whether or not the two are separable isn't for me to say.

[MadrasT]

64. ^^^ THIS ^^^

[TheKentuckian]

23. I believe giving Congress the power to compel a citizen to purchase a for profit product

is pretty much fucking insane. Worse most Americans will be compelled by the government to buy that for profit product at the discretion of their employer.

Not only would we be obligated to buy from the company store but the company will do the shopping and further shop for the dictated product.

The argument is extremely broad and essentially creates unlimited government which by definition removes power from the people (the many) to our elected creatures of "the stakeholders" (the few) in a game of craps with prize being GingrichCare.

All the personal anecdotes in the world about pay to play features that should be default won't sell me on the scam the overall law is leaving the entire failed and wasteful existing system firmly in place down to the fucking anti-trust exemption and giving perhaps the most predatory industry in the world a key to the treasury creating a whole new too big to fail industry so I certainly hope that in a random act of sanity this crazy provision will be struck and the rest of the bill be left but my expectation is the fascist court will uphold the fascist law.

I don't care about all the phony ass moralizing either regardless of how much hearts are in the right place either because the entire design is built ground up to fuck us, empower the insurance cartel, and beat back any attempts at substantive structural reform be it market based or socialistic or any thing else.
Any bit of good will be extracted from other "small people" for big profits and power over the populace by the cartel and employers.

[BOG PERSON]

59. agreed

the individual mandate is monstrous.

[spanone]

25. NO

[kestrel91316]

26. KEEP IT!!! I will personally be able to afford medical insurance, and will

be able to purchase a plan that won't guarantee medical bankruptcy if I actually use it, for the first time in over 5 years.

So........fuck the Repigs. And fuck your statistics, too, which are a LIE.

[bhikkhu]

27. Having looked at the details of how it would work, I definitely support it

I think tis the only way my family will ever be able to afford health care. It would still take some doing to afford, but it would be worth it.

[nybigtree]

28. I think

it should be repealed if it goes against the constitution.

If the individual mandate is within the Commerce Clause, it seems that inactivity can be regulated. What then are limiting principles of the reach of the Federal government? Everything one does or does not do has some economic implication one way or the other.

I agree in universal health care in principle but I think they should have structured it as a tax on everyone to fund it. The powers of the federal government to tax are not in dispute.

[steve2470]

29. Not me, my son now gets insurance coverage until he turns 26

The next step is single payer (go suck it RW trolls).

[bluedigger]

31. It wouldn't bother me too much.

Health insurance is immoral, and a drag on productivity. I think the mandate is unconstitutional. But I'll let the experts decide.

[dkf]

32. The individual mandate is wrong.

Its such a slippery slope because there are a lot of things that government could get out of providing by mandating purchase of private insurance. Theoretically almost everything in the safety net could be moved to the private sector if the goal is short term assistance.

That is why this was originally a Republican idea.

[blue neen]

33. "Fess up!?" Is this a push poll?

In answer to your question...I am a progressive who does not want the law struck down.

[JDPriestly]

34. No. I want to keep it. I would prefer single payer. We lived in Europe for a number of years

and loved the single payer insurance that we had there. It differed from country to country but made health care for the whole family possible even on the salary of an exchange teacher.

We in the US are way behind other developed countries when it comes to insuring that each of us has good health care. So let's get started. Americans will love it once they find out how great it really is.

Americans have become afraid to try new things. That is such a shame. It is a sign that our nation is aging really fast. Sad. Sad. Sad.

[kctim]

38. Progressive? No.

I'm a Democrat and want the whole thing gone.

[justgamma]

40. The mandate is very much needed.

They have to cover preexiting conditions and that's a good thing. Without the mandate to purchase insurance, people would just wait until they got sick to buy it. We would have to make up the costs with higher premiums.

[lumberjack_jeff]

42. Universal = Mandatory

Hell no, it shouldn't be repealed.

But Medicare should be a buy-in option at the earliest possible opportunity.

[boxman15]

43. Not at all.

Is it an ideal law? No. Is the individual mandate the best way to achieve universal healthcare? No. Does this law solve all of our country's health care problems? No.

But does it do a hell of a lot of good? Absolutely. People above me have listed the reasons why, so I'm not going to go into it in detail, but Obamacare does so much good for so many people. Those who want it repealed completely are either ignorant of the law's actual provisions or are motivated solely by politics. We're on the right track thanks to Obamacare.

[Lawlbringer]

44. I know that it's been something that we've wanted for ages

and Hillary championed it for ages, and now President Obama's gotten the ball rolling.

However, how much of the law as it stands now is what the Dems vs what had to be compromised, given up, or bullied in by the Repubs and is now law?

[davekriss]

45. Not me !!

I'll take the breadcrumbs I can get...

[Raine]

46. I want the mandate gone. nt

[Populist_Prole]

47. Not guilty, but I do want single payer

Repealing or overturning "Obamacare" will just give more momentum to the right and make ever getting single payer that much harder to get. To wit: "Obamacare" is closer to single payer than the previous system of "Health Inc".

[Kablooie]

48. Absolutely not.

It's a choice of reasonably priced insurance that everyone must buy or horribly expensive insurance that many can't afford. Of course "reasonably priced insurance" remains to be seen but that's the theory.

Eliminating the insurance companies with single payer health care would be preferable but just about anything is better than the way it has been.

[marlakay]

50. I want it to stay

24 yr old will lose coverage and while not universal, it is a start....

[sendero]

52. I do not believe this is an optimal solution...

.. and I have wavered back and forth on it. Right now I think it should be left alone for a few years to see if it will perform as promised. If it does, it is, on balance, a good thing.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid the SCOTUS is going to overturn the individual mandate, which will effectively gut the entire plan.

We will know soon, we can only hope that the think long and hard and do the right thing.

[eridani]

53. What truly terrifies me about repeal--

--is that conservatives will be emboldened to go after Medicare and Medicaid.

[B Calm]

54. I'm not happy with it, but

it's a baby step in the right direction. I blame the republicans for what we got and now they want it overturned, go figure. .

[IamK]

55. what happens if you do not or can not pay if insurance is mandated?

i was unclear on this?

[GarroHorus]

57. Those who cannot afford are still covered

Those who can afford and still do not get insurance pay a tax.

[KatChatter]

58. No Easy Answer to the question

but some of the ACA is good and should stay it is helping some.

But without a Public Option or regulated price controls it is nothing but a giveaway to corporations.

What the Pubs and Insurance Company’s really want is the mandate with them being able to mandate who they want to cover which is basically the healthy and dumping the sick and old on the tax payers.

It is plain as day to those who are paying attention.

[ZombieHorde]

60. I was very disspointed by "Obamacare," but I would not get rid of it without

a more socialized replacement.

So yes, I am a progressive that wants the law to be struck down, but only under a currently unlikely condition.

[Quantess]

61. it's better than nothing, right?

It's not single payer, but it's something.

[etherealtruth]

62. I do not want the law struck down

I would like to see the law improved ... expanded ... not struck down

[Ron Obvious]

63. Have we forgotten this is Romneycare?

And that it came from the Heritage Foundation? It ties insurance even closer to employment and doesn't do a thing for cost control. I'm in the private market for insurance and we paid more than $13,000 for insurance and medicine last year. Those medicines are from Canada, or else those costs would have been much higher still.

Just because for most of Americans it's hidden in their pay checks and taken out of the pay rises they didn't get, doesn't mean the cost of medical care isn't passed on to them. Wages have stagnated for more than 30 years and increased medical benefit costs are part of the reason.

Subsidising extortionate insurance costs isn't the answer either.