Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:05 PM

Albertoo (2,016 posts)

Attack over women’s ‘shorts’ in southern France

Religion vs women's rights. Again.

Young Muslim men beat up the husbands and boyfriends of women deemed too scantily clothed on the beach (in shorts). Why do I read many more comments in defense of the burkini (the recently invented 'islamic' swimwear), but precious little about the attempts at religion to encroach on the beach?

I love the PC denial of the article "There is no information on the alleged perpetrators’ .. religion." Who calls girls "whores" for wearing shorts? French Buddhists?

Attack over women’s ‘shorts’ in southern France inflames social media

Controversy around female clothing in France gained further momentum after a dozen young men assaulted a family in the country’s south. Males suffered a severe beating after attackers deemed the women’s clothes excessively revealing.

The incident occurred last Sunday in the city of Toulon, southern France. According to local prosecutor Bernard Marchal, the family of two sisters, their husbands, their brother and three children aged between 10 and 14 had been riding bikes and rollerblading through an eastern neighborhood of the city. They were approached by a group of about 10 young men, who insulted the women for wearing ‘inappropriate’ clothing. The husbands and brother intervened and were severely beaten. One of them suffered multiple facial fractures, and another got his nose broken.

“They [the attackers] shouted to them [the women] 'whores' and 'go on, get naked’,” the Valeurs Acuelles magazine quoted Marchal as saying.

Two suspects, reportedly one 17-year-old and one 19-year-old, were apprehended on Tuesday. It is thought they have a preexisting criminal record. The identity of the alleged perpetrators remains undisclosed. An investigation is underway to track down the others.

Mayor of Toulon Hubert Falco said that “attacking my fellow citizens in shorts is abnormal and pitiable.”

“I am happy that thanks to the efficiency of the national police and CCTV cameras of the city, we could apprehend the perpetrators. One does not attack a woman because she is wearing shorts. This heinous act must be punished harshly,” France Bleu quoted the Mayor as saying.

One of the victims, named only as Marie, commented on the incident to the Nice Matin newspaper on Friday.

“We were not wearing shorts. We were in sportswear. One youngster badmouthed us and then things quickly escalated,” newspaper quotes the victim.

There is no information on the alleged perpetrators’ identities, nationalities, citizenship or religion. However, some in France linked the attacks on short-wearers to the burkini controversy and Islam in general. Julien Leonardelli, the department secretary for the far-right National Front in Haute-Garonne, claimed on Twitter, that "Sharia is already installed in Toulon."

https://www.rt.com/news/358949-france-toulon-attack-shorts/

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Attack over women’s ‘shorts’ in southern France (Original post)	Albertoo	Sep 2016	OP
People should have no say in what others wear, and if they are titillated, then it's their own damn	uppityperson	Sep 2016	#1
Shouldn't people who migrate assimilate?	left-of-center2012	Sep 2016	#2
Erdogan TOLD ethnic Turkish Germans NOT to assimilate at a rally in Germany	Albertoo	Sep 2016	#3
Or how about just following their own values themselves,	Nye Bevan	Sep 2016	#4
because some people lose their shit over skin, nude bodies, or bathing suits?	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#7
Most progressives would rather favor multiculturalism	davidn3600	Sep 2016	#24
It is a bit of a fantasy	romanic	Sep 2016	#25
If you moved to Saudi Arabis would start to follow their mores?	AngryAmish	Sep 2016	#42
I would not physically attack them for theirs n/t	left-of-center2012	Sep 2016	#62
No. And I would not move to Saudia Arabia for precisely that reason.	WestCoastLib	Sep 2016	#78
Exactly..If you have serious differences with a country's laws & culture, don't go there.	whathehell	Sep 2016	#80
I certainly followed their dress code in public	Abq_Sarah	Sep 2016	#86
Yes, and hell yes!	whathehell	Sep 2016	#79
They're just like the western men who justify rape	Warpy	Sep 2016	#5
I hope all the people outraged over the burkini ban will similarly stand up	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#6
You can hope all you want	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Sep 2016	#17
Against the burkini ban	awoke_in_2003	Sep 2016	#19
Agreed	True Dough	Sep 2016	#27
That's me, too.	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#28
I'm anti burkini ban	Dorian Gray	Sep 2016	#30
I'm on the same page.	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#32
Wish in one hand and poop in the other...	Taitertots	Sep 2016	#33
I think if people want to immigrate into a pluralistic, secular society	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#34
Well of course	jberryhill	Sep 2016	#35
It's also weird that nobody demands that Emirjeta Xhelili "assimilate"	ck4829	Sep 2016	#36
She should go to jail, is what she should do.	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#38
This message was self-deleted by its author	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#39
I didnt see the thread. But i condemn all such acts of violence.	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#40
Threads, plural	jberryhill	Sep 2016	#41
I would rec this if I could	kcr	Sep 2016	#69
If you wish to call Warren a liar, why not just spit it out?	11 Bravo	Sep 2016	#75
WTF?	jberryhill	Sep 2016	#76
Like I said, I condemn both. But... I'm consistently pro-personal freedom.	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#88
Oppose both. People should be free to wear conservative swimwear or	muntrv	Sep 2016	#60
i do think there is a problem with islamic fundies but do you have another source besides RT for	JI7	Sep 2016	#8
here's two	melman	Sep 2016	#12
Sick bastards.	smirkymonkey	Sep 2016	#9
This old man had to get his glasses on, I thought you posted ' thick beards '	nolabels	Sep 2016	#77
Russia Today?	mwrguy	Sep 2016	#10
Here's a different source on the same story.	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2016	#11
right on, Warren! They're a bunch of Fred Flinstones. So archaic in their judgments.	Divine Discontent	Sep 2016	#13
It's France	Dorian Gray	Sep 2016	#31
I'm sure you condemn these Muslim attackers now you have been given other sources	Albertoo	Sep 2016	#14
You know, it's exactly this sort of insistence that there is no problem...	Marr	Sep 2016	#18
It appears officials are looking for the criminals.	cpwm17	Sep 2016	#15
you do not "think there is much support for the criminals"?	Albertoo	Sep 2016	#20
Good way to get shot in the US...	TipTok	Sep 2016	#16
Russia Today as a source? Um, no. Daily Mail is just as credible.	closeupready	Sep 2016	#21
Story confirmed by the NYT and WaPo (as mentioned in the thread)	Albertoo	Sep 2016	#22
It really shows how women are being policed no matter what they wear.	KitSileya	Sep 2016	#23
It's not a venue designed to sanction	saltpoint	Sep 2016	#26
K&R "WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR Xis & Cheneys	Jeffersons Ghost	Sep 2016	#29
Both groups can be wrong	Bettie	Sep 2016	#37
So your 'solution' is to insist that everyone behave nicely. Sorry, that's not going to happen.	randome	Sep 2016	#43
My solution is to ask that people be grown-ups	Bettie	Sep 2016	#68
They can't find the attackers so they apparently got away with it.	randome	Sep 2016	#71
If they are not French Citizens	GulfCoast66	Sep 2016	#82
I don't believe a word of this story because your source is RT.	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#44
If you would have read through the thread, you would have seen links from other sources.	Ace Rothstein	Sep 2016	#45
I don't wste time reading long threads.	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#46
This place has gone off the deep end when it comes to protecting Islam.	Ace Rothstein	Sep 2016	#47
This place has gone off the eep end when it comes to protecting Putin. eom	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#48
When did I protect Putin?	Ace Rothstein	Sep 2016	#49
OP cited a Putin propaganda rag.	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#50
No, I have the sense to verify the non-bullshit story with other sources.	Ace Rothstein	Sep 2016	#51
I won't click those links	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#52
What do you have against the women of France?	Ace Rothstein	Sep 2016	#53
Nothing.	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#55
Eh, just because I might not like a source doesn't fully discredit a story.	Ace Rothstein	Sep 2016	#57
RT is a bullshit source that publishes nothing but Bullshit.	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#58
You are being trolled. Stop feeding it.	Taitertots	Sep 2016	#59
Seriously, it's almost laughable.	smirkymonkey	Sep 2016	#84
You do have the time to type out several responses though...	TipTok	Sep 2016	#54
I will typically respond to people who respond to me. eom	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#56
Hope this helps	bighart	Sep 2016	#61
I never click links provided in comments.	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#63
That seems a bit obstinate.	bighart	Sep 2016	#64
I had a bad experience clicking a link in a comment a few years back and have never done so since.	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#66
Willfully Obtuse (eom)	ProfessorGAC	Sep 2016	#65
See Post #66. eom	MohRokTah	Sep 2016	#67
See post 65	GummyBearz	Sep 2016	#81
So if a RW media posts an accurate fact, you reject the authenticity of the fact?	Albertoo	Sep 2016	#87
About one third of all males in any given American bar.	LanternWaste	Sep 2016	#70
But not that many to their faces. Your point is taken but there is a difference.	randome	Sep 2016	#72
Well unlike Saudi Arabia	romanic	Sep 2016	#73
Nonsense	melman	Sep 2016	#74
Really?	GulfCoast66	Sep 2016	#83
Link to stats for that please. nt	riderinthestorm	Sep 2016	#90
Another take on the incident by one of the people attacked:	JanMichael	Sep 2016	#85
No one give two shits about a first person account on this do they? nt	JanMichael	Sep 2016	#89
Uhm, that account is woefully scant on details. nt	riderinthestorm	Sep 2016	#91
Like RT and others are better with their BS?	JanMichael	Sep 2016	#92

Response to Albertoo (Original post)

Sun Sep 11, 2016, 10:10 PM

uppityperson (115,461 posts)

1. People should have no say in what others wear, and if they are titillated, then it's their own damn

problem.

Attack over women’s ‘shorts’ in southern France

1. People should have no say in what others wear, and if they are titillated, then it's their own damn

2. Shouldn't people who migrate assimilate?

3. Erdogan TOLD ethnic Turkish Germans NOT to assimilate at a rally in Germany

4. Or how about just following their own values themselves,

7. because some people lose their shit over skin, nude bodies, or bathing suits?

24. Most progressives would rather favor multiculturalism

25. It is a bit of a fantasy

42. If you moved to Saudi Arabis would start to follow their mores?

62. I would not physically attack them for theirs n/t

78. No. And I would not move to Saudia Arabia for precisely that reason.

80. Exactly..If you have serious differences with a country's laws & culture, don't go there.

86. I certainly followed their dress code in public

79. Yes, and hell yes!

5. They're just like the western men who justify rape

6. I hope all the people outraged over the burkini ban will similarly stand up

17. You can hope all you want

19. Against the burkini ban

27. Agreed

28. That's me, too.

30. I'm anti burkini ban

32. I'm on the same page.

33. Wish in one hand and poop in the other...

34. I think if people want to immigrate into a pluralistic, secular society

35. Well of course

36. It's also weird that nobody demands that Emirjeta Xhelili "assimilate"

38. She should go to jail, is what she should do.

40. I didnt see the thread. But i condemn all such acts of violence.

41. Threads, plural

69. I would rec this if I could

75. If you wish to call Warren a liar, why not just spit it out?

76. WTF?

88. Like I said, I condemn both. But... I'm consistently pro-personal freedom.

60. Oppose both. People should be free to wear conservative swimwear or

8. i do think there is a problem with islamic fundies but do you have another source besides RT for

12. here's two

9. Sick bastards.

77. This old man had to get his glasses on, I thought you posted ' thick beards '

10. Russia Today?

11. Here's a different source on the same story.

13. right on, Warren! They're a bunch of Fred Flinstones. So archaic in their judgments.

31. It's France

14. I'm sure you condemn these Muslim attackers now you have been given other sources

18. You know, it's exactly this sort of insistence that there is no problem...

15. It appears officials are looking for the criminals.

20. you do not "think there is much support for the criminals"?

16. Good way to get shot in the US...

21. Russia Today as a source? Um, no. Daily Mail is just as credible.

22. Story confirmed by the NYT and WaPo (as mentioned in the thread)

23. It really shows how women are being policed no matter what they wear.

26. It's not a venue designed to sanction

29. K&R "WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR Xis & Cheneys

37. Both groups can be wrong

43. So your 'solution' is to insist that everyone behave nicely. Sorry, that's not going to happen.

68. My solution is to ask that people be grown-ups

71. They can't find the attackers so they apparently got away with it.

82. If they are not French Citizens

44. I don't believe a word of this story because your source is RT.

45. If you would have read through the thread, you would have seen links from other sources.

46. I don't wste time reading long threads.

47. This place has gone off the deep end when it comes to protecting Islam.

48. This place has gone off the eep end when it comes to protecting Putin. eom

49. When did I protect Putin?

50. OP cited a Putin propaganda rag.

51. No, I have the sense to verify the non-bullshit story with other sources.

52. I won't click those links

53. What do you have against the women of France?

55. Nothing.

57. Eh, just because I might not like a source doesn't fully discredit a story.

58. RT is a bullshit source that publishes nothing but Bullshit.

59. You are being trolled. Stop feeding it.

84. Seriously, it's almost laughable.

54. You do have the time to type out several responses though...

56. I will typically respond to people who respond to me. eom

61. Hope this helps

63. I never click links provided in comments.

64. That seems a bit obstinate.

66. I had a bad experience clicking a link in a comment a few years back and have never done so since.

65. Willfully Obtuse (eom)

67. See Post #66. eom