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[Loki Liesmith]

1. It's odd

That neighborhood isn't exactly the place to go to inflict maximum damage

[Duckhunter935]

2. It is interesting

I hope they find them

[Ilsa]

3. A bunch of guys beeaking into DNC headquarters

at The Watergate to control an election they were probably going to win anyway seemed far-fetched. Even the chief editor at WaPo wanted to drop it because it seemed like a "why would they bother?" situation, if memory serves.

[Abouttime]

13. The fact that trump so quickly said it was a bomb speaks volumes

Did trump have prior knowledge?
It makes complete sense that trump supporters are behind these bombings, it would further their cause by sowing fear, especially fear against Muslim-Americans.

[Ron Obvious]

4. Yes, that does sound insane.

Or at the very least a ridiculous leap of logic from the limited information we have at present. Why not wait until more information is available?

[OKNancy]

5. you can't rule anything out at this point.

[Sedona]

6. I wouldn't put it past the GOP

who fucked with the terror level threats any time W's poll numbers were tanking.


See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

[kentuck]

7. Maybe it was a trial run??

Just a test...

[bench scientist]

36. this was my first thought too kentuck

Someone perhaps doing a trial for something even more devastating later. Sad that these thoughts are so autonomic now.

[wncHillsupport]

8. My first thought was, as kentuck,

that both bombings (the Marine race) and this one in NYC was a trial run and that we had better be on the lookout for something more sophisticated.

How likely is it that both places were completely unrelated as to planners/implementers?

I hope I am wrong.

[dixiegrrrrl]

14. What are the odds of a real terrorist using a pressure cooker after so many years

but the same group using a pipe bomb at the race?

Real bad guys are pretty good at using something more sophisticated, like suicide vests or car bombs.
And they usually take credit soon after.

[OhZone]

9. I think it's likely.

Oh well.

[RKP5637]

10. Really hard to tell much at this stage, not enough information made public. It

could be anything.

[librarylu]

11. Why should Right Wingers have all the conspiracy fun?

Trump gets caught in another lie, ticks off reporters, a bomb goes off.........coincidence?

For a terrorist attack it was pretty lame. Terrorists tend to kill people, not cause minor injuries.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. Putting a bomb in a bin is less conspicuous, but I doubt it'd "muffle" it much

It'd be more shrapnel to fly through the air. Several places have removed public bins when the is a bombing campaign going on.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. I also heard it floated that the Chelsea neighborhood was chosen as an implied threat . . . .

. . . . to the Clinton family.

I think any tie back to the Trump campaign is pure conspiracy theory and woo.

[hughee99]

16. Whenever something bad happens the first thing to do is find a political opponent to blame it on.

If you can't find a good, direct reason they might have done it, then you can always suggest it was to distract from something else.

No one really cares about the birther issue anymore. The people talking about it already weren't going to vote for Trump, the Trump supporters already don't care, and the people that haven't made up their minds between Clinton and Trump aren't paying any attention, which is why they're still undecideds.

[bettyellen]

25. Many care very much about the birther issue and think the lies need to be challenged.

[hughee99]

33. Not in any way that will have an impact on the election. People can pretend that it's an election

Issue, but it's really not. It isn't changing anyone's mind about who they should vote for.

[bettyellen]

35. Well if you want to ignore the votes of POC and their allies- as you said some people were still not

Paying attention. It might not be completely reprehensible to you, but to many of us it's completely appalling. I've met a few people who were unaware of his history with this issue- and now they know and are disgusted.
It might now be of interest to you, and that's probably a lucky thing for you. But for many of us it cuts to the bone.

[hughee99]

37. Do you believe there are many POC voting for trump now

And this will be the thing that changes their mind? I don't.

[bettyellen]

39. I think there are loads of POC as well as every other demographic that have not been paying

Attention. Many people don't even think about it until Fall.

At any rate, you don't seem to realize what a huge issue this is to many people, must be nice.

[malaise]

17. Anything is possible with the 'deplorables'.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028171322

[cwydro]

18. I agree with you.

Far fetched. Incredibly so.

[doc03]

19. I wouldn't rule out Russian involvement, it fits

the pattern of what Putin is capable of.

[safeinOhio]

34. That's what I hear people saying.

A false flag operation by Russian mob/KGB/Putting operatives.

[rusty fender]

20. My guess is that it is a lone wolf/loser

who is angry at the world; the bombs are how he vents

[linuxman]

21. Your friend doesn't know much about bombs.

"Bins" are a super common place to place IEDs. In Iraq, the trash bins were removed because they wewre so commonly used as drop sites for IEDs. In NYC, postal boxes on the street are locked closed before major events to keep them from having bombs place inside. Generally speaking, putting the bomb into something doesn't muffle shit. The energy will escape one way or another. When binned, it will just take the container along for the ride.

[WhiteTara]

22. That is the same exact scenario

that my beloved postulated to me this morning the first thing when I woke up...he actually woke me up to tell me that!

[Vinca]

23. I had another theory. Since it was put in a fairly deserted place (for NYC), maybe

it was set off as a diversion by a generic criminal who tunneled into a jewelry store or bank in another area of the city. Guess we'll know tomorrow if a business reports a burglary.

[malaise]

43. Well Don the Con has stolen every notion of truth

as we know it

[bhikkhu]

24. In any case "who benefits?" is a good question, and ISIS supports Trump

Its safe to say that every nonsensical bit of mayhem is the US up until the election will benefit Trump's poll numbers, and his supporters (of every ilk) know it.

[Yo_Mama]

26. I think it's insane. There's not a shadow of a reason to think this.

It is, quite flatly, one of the weirdest CTs I have ever seen floated.

[Jim Dandy]

27. Ok. But why is it wrong?

[Yo_Mama]

38. It should be obvious, but Timing Location Benefit Analysis

Benefit Analysis:
1) There are security cameras all over NYC. LE & FBI will use them. They will ID the perps from that pretty quickly.

2) There are several months until the election. The combination of the timing and the extreme probability of finding the perps means there there is an almost total downside to this. Since Trump began to advertise, he has been gaining in the polls rather steadily, and this sort of action would put him out of the running, even if he didn't wind up behind bars. If it were done a week or two before the election, it might be slightly more plausible that it would benefit him, although,

3) Really it would never benefit him, because the president is not a dictator and although the president controls the federal law, the president has no control whatsoever over NYC and NY state LE. And they'd get him, just like Watergate took down Nixon. The impeachment vote would be unanimous.

4) And in the last analysis, it doesn't benefit Trump because there are already plenty of news stories about terrorism, aka Islamic terrorism incidents, and they won't end because of the US election season. So anyone who thinks along these lines and thinks that Trump is likely to handle it better and thinks that the issue is important enough on which to base his/her vote is already going to be for Trump. There are plenty who think that Trump's approach is precisely the wrong one. Those people are not going to suddenly change their mind because of a few relatively negligible incidents.

5) Location again - no one is saying that NJ/NY is in play for Trump under the wildest, most Trump-favorable projections. Why stage it in NJ/NY, when staging attacks in other states that might be swung would be far safer? Investigators don't have nearly the same resources in NC or some such state. However, NJ/NY does have a large population that fits the profile of those who might be ISIS-swung.

6) Timing - while the timing is terrible for staging a Trump-favorable Reichstag fire, it's close to the hadj, and apparently the Islamic nuts have the theory going on that blowing up people earns you special merit if it happens at sacred Muslim times.
https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/saudi-arabia/

Note that I wouldn't put it past someone to conduct a false-flag type of attack, except for the location. NYC is not the place to do such a thing. But that someone wouldn't be Trump, because it just doesn't benefit him. For him it would just be a big risk.

As for the theory that the birther stuff is significant, that is logistically ridiculous. That just happened! Assuming that Trump had a crew of useful explosive idiots standing by waiting for the phone call, bombs already prepared, and that he made that call when things already were tilting in his favor, is so ludicrous that I can hardly believe anyone suggested it.

It's the sort of thing that might seem possible when stoned or drunk or just waking up, but that expires in the cold sober light of reality.

[underpants]

28. Eh, no

Not worth anyone's time thinking it's related.

[Runningdawg]

29. It finally happened

I just came from reading about the violence yesterday on a RW forum and now I am seeing the same posts I saw there, here. Careful folks, the RWers don't like it when you steal their conspiracy theories.

[napi21]

30. The thing that struck me was that both bombs failed.

One failed to explode at all, and the other not completely. From all we've seen, the "terrorists" are trained better than that! To me this sounds like someone who got their instructions off the net, didn't do any trial runs, and failed to execute completely.

ether it was part of the GOP, The Con's surrogates, or some other dumbass remains to be seen. The imprecise execution seems rookie action to me and most likely will be caught soon because of that.

[asiliveandbreathe]

31. Years ago it was the mob..for one thing or another -

someone might have said somethin', or made a GESTURE (where have I heard this before) or somethin' - and oooompa loompa..there you have it....(no innuendo please)

All who were injured a quick recovery....

[karadax]

32. I think it was aliens but I have no proof. N/t

[karmaqueen]

40. I thought it was tied to Trump immediately! (EOM)

[SFierro2004]

41. I would not be surprised

It's pretty obvious that Trump is determined to win the Presidency at all costs. I wouldn't put it past him to secretly send an operative to plant that bomb as part of a false-flag operation. It would be a welcome distraction from the ongoing birth certificate issue, and would be shown as proof of how Trump is "right" about terrorism.

[radical noodle]

42. I'm not entirely sure Trump would do it but

some of the white supremacists and neo-nazis are certainly capable of it. Didn't someone recently film a white supremacist meeting where one of the speakers said they needed to shake things up (not a direct quote, but something similar).