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Mon Sep 19, 2016, 03:56 PM

So the latest bombing lunatic is a member of a family from Afghanistan

who are pissed off that the neighborhood objects to the late opening and loud noises from the friend chicken restaurant? The city enforced the ordinances on them? Is that what I heard from Richard Engel??

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Reply So the latest bombing lunatic is a member of a family from Afghanistan (Original post)
malaise Sep 2016 OP
still_one Sep 2016 #1
malaise Sep 2016 #4
still_one Sep 2016 #12
phallon Sep 2016 #2
underthematrix Sep 2016 #26
Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #3
CBGLuthier Sep 2016 #5
malaise Sep 2016 #6
EX500rider Sep 2016 #13
CBGLuthier Sep 2016 #17
malaise Sep 2016 #18
EX500rider Sep 2016 #37
EX500rider Sep 2016 #35
LeftyMom Sep 2016 #23
EX500rider Sep 2016 #36
JI7 Sep 2016 #22
yeoman6987 Sep 2016 #32
Warpy Sep 2016 #7
malaise Sep 2016 #8
haele Sep 2016 #15
Egnever Sep 2016 #33
W_HAMILTON Sep 2016 #34
The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #9
alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #10
SoCalNative Sep 2016 #11
EX500rider Sep 2016 #14
malaise Sep 2016 #20
jberryhill Sep 2016 #27
stone space Sep 2016 #31
malaise Sep 2016 #16
loyalsister Sep 2016 #24
malaise Sep 2016 #25
EX500rider Sep 2016 #38
GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #39
ileus Sep 2016 #19
malaise Sep 2016 #21
elleng Sep 2016 #28
JanMichael Sep 2016 #30
Dreamer Tatum Sep 2016 #29
Albertoo Sep 2016 #40

Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 03:58 PM

1. Finally a legitimate reason to bomb

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:04 PM

4. They are morons - throw away the keys n/t

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:15 PM

12. Absolutely malasise

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:00 PM

2. Not much difference

between the way these folks aired their grievances and trump supporters desires to express their rugged individualism.

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Response to phallon (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:07 PM

26. And there you have it. There's a lot of unhinged stupid in America

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:04 PM

3. That could be one factor, but I don't think it's the primary one

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:05 PM

5. Really, so it has nothing to do with the 100,000 plus Afghans we have slaughtered over the last 15

years?

Well, that's a relief.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:06 PM

6. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at your response

I would imagine that is also a factor

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:25 PM

13. Over 80% of Afghan civilian casualties have been caused by the Taliban..

....who we have been killing in combat, not "slaughtering" btw....and most Afghan's applaud our effort.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:32 PM

17. The occasional wedding party and intentional massacre be damned eh?

Like that assclown that snuck out and slaughtered quite a few and I will remind you,sir, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE GOOD GUYS.

Yet we murder women and children without regard for any decency.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:34 PM

18. And some of the slaughter doesn't make the news

We are no better than anyone else

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Response to malaise (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:03 AM

37. When US troops start beheading and stoning women for adultery let me know..

and killing little girls on purpose for going to school...other wise they are WAY better then the Taliban

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:48 AM

35. So accidents and rogue soldiers is all you have?

The Taliban stones and beheads and bombs civilians on purpose so yes, we are the good guys.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:58 PM

23. Remember when the Taliban attacked the MSF hospital in Kunduz with their AC-130 gunship?

And killed 42 people?

Yeah, me either.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:52 AM

36. Remember when the Afghan Special Forces had a town overrun and called in a airstrike on it...

....during the battle?
Well I do...

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:48 PM

22. no it doesnt. especially since its afghan muslims doing most of those killings

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:39 PM

32. And yet they didn't do this in Russia who also went to war before the USA even thought to go

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:30 PM

7. Apparently the restaurant sued the city

after an earlier closing time was enforced due to neighbor complaints about loud noise late at night, probably from drunks after the bars closed.

That probably has little to do with why this jerk decided to blow up New Jersey (with a short trip to Manhattan). Chances are he fits the profile of a socially awkward weirdo with consistently problematic relationships with women--or no relationships since we can usually spot horny guys who hate us.

I'm just grateful that he wasn't a terribly competent bomber.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:31 PM

8. Awkward at everything - fugging loser

Give thanks

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Response to Warpy (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:27 PM

15. That's rather what I thought when I first heard what happened.

It seemed more like a temper tantrum by someone who had just enough knowledge that it would piss people off, but not enough together to actually plan something out.
Sort of like a rash of aimless boys dropping pipe bombs in trash-cans at high school. That happened at my high school when I was a sophomore; two boys who were failing out didn't think it was fair they were in trouble...blew up the boy's room in the Gym and the kitchen area of the Cafeteria.
Sad, because that was one of the few real High School kitchens (circa 1940) in town, where the Home Ec. class had cooking/baking classes and the school cooks could actually prepared all sorts of meals properly, instead of depending on delivered pre-cooked contracted meals that just needed to be warmed before serving. They never repaired the kitchen...

Haele

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Response to Warpy (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:42 PM

33. So glad I live in a city where the sidewalk doesn't roll up at 10

 

Tried to move away once and realized pretty quickly the quiet suburban life has its downsides.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:58 PM

34. From what I heard on the news earlier, he wasn't the "socially awkward" type at all.

They said he was the class clown in high school and pretty popular.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:32 PM

9. This is a very tragic situation for everyone.

This was a senseless act.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:33 PM

10. He traveled abroad and came back radicalized

 

There really are radical Islamicists, and they really are trying to kill us.

This isn't about late night chicken restaurant noise.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:53 PM

11. I'm wondering how he was able

to travel to Afghanistan. He is apparently a naturalized citizen. Aren't you required to surrender identity documents from other countries when you get citizenship and a US passport?

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:26 PM

14. Afghanistan allows tourists.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:37 PM

20. Identity documents from other countries belong to those countries

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Lots of folks have dual nationalities

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:08 PM

27. Is there some reason a US citizen can't visit?

 

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:55 PM

31. Uh...no.

 

He is apparently a naturalized citizen. Aren't you required to surrender identity documents from other countries when you get citizenship and a US passport?


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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:55 PM

16. Hmmmmmmmm or he saw what

we and our allies did to his homeland?

What I don't get is the collective failure to acknowledge the role and consequences of war and plunder.

Stop the fugging wars.

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Response to malaise (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:01 PM

24. Not just his homeland

His family, extended family, his friends and their families. The people who have these ideas and inclinations have a point of view that is a result of a history and an existence that we can't possibly fully comprehend without a lot more information. I wonder what they would say if someone were to hear them out without threat?

Instead of considering it, we go for a sensationalistic story and dehumanize the actors. An MO that rewards the media with viewership, benefits the MIC with public support, and benefits the terrorists by confirming the recruitment narrative. There are obviously no simple answers, but what we are doing doesn't seem to be working.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:05 PM

25. It's a mess sister

and the media sure haven't helped

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Response to malaise (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:03 PM

38. "we and our allies did to his homeland?"

You mean take the Taliban out of power?

Or:
In 2001 no girls attended formal schools and there were only one million boys enrolled. By 2012 the World Bank says there were 7.8 million pupils attending school - including about 2.9 million girls.

Life-expectancy had increased from 45 years in 2001 to 63 years.

According to the UN, access to safe drinking water improved from 4.8% of the population to 60.6% by 2011.

Stuff like that, how horrible!

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #38)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:30 PM

39. This place can get discouraging

There are those who do not think you can be a good 'progressive' and support any overseas military activity. And they get into contest burnishing their 'progressive' creds seeing who can trash the US the most.

Afghanistan was a just effort. They did indeed assist, support and empower those who caused 9-11. They refused to turn them over. Under International law that is a valid reason to declare war. Everyone supported the effort.

But because Bush went full right wing idiot and then talked the Nation into invading Iraq, anything he led is seen as deplorable. Had even 25% of the resources that went into Iraq gone into Afghanistan, it would probably entering a nice period right now. Things seemed to be on a upswing, with nations in the area supporting us. Even Iran was not causing problems. When Iraq happened it all went out the window.

And now I fear we will leave the Afghans right were they were 17 years ago.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:37 PM

19. Another man pushed over the edge by some of trumps deplorables.

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Response to ileus (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:43 PM

21. Don't know - the truth is that institutional racism and 'otherization' is always present

What's more what is sometimes viewed as 'otherization' my not be - like enforcing ordinances or shutting down a dirty restaurant - happens all the time to restaurants local and foreign owned.

On the other hand I have loads of documentaries showing me how Muslims have been treated since 9/11.

It's a fugging mess.

I'm curious about which Afghans were allowed to come to the US in the mid-90s. I'd love a breakdown on their backgrounds. The US has had a history of welcoming right wingers certainly from our hemisphere.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:11 PM

28. Don't know what Engel said,

maybe just providing history, and others filling in the motive?

Ahmad Rahami: Fixture in Family’s Business and, Lately, a ‘Completely Different Person’

'He presided behind the counter of a storefront New Jersey fried chicken restaurant, making his home with his family in an apartment above it. To some of his friends, Ahmad Khan Rahami was known as Mad, an abridgment of his name rather than a suggestion of his manner, and they liked the fact that he gave them free food when they were short on money.

Other than that, his other known obsession was souped-up Honda Civics that he liked to race. In recent years, though, some friends noticed a marked change in his personality and religious devotion after what they believe was a visit to Afghanistan, where he was born.'>>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/nyregion/ahmad-khan-rahami-bombing-suspect.html?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016167168

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Response to elleng (Reply #28)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:55 PM

30. Well the loud mufflers (digitized glass packs?) are enough to convict IMHO nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:18 PM

29. How are they involved in the garment business?

Should probably look into that.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:08 AM

40. Your commitment to deny Islam's influence on terrorism is unwavering

 

Except that the neighbor's witnesses do not attribute the perpetrator's being "pissed off" to business or neighborhood matters, but to a recent adherence to fundamentalist religiosity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/nyregion/ahmad-khan-rahami-bombing-suspect.html?_r=1

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