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Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:40 PM

Politifact rates Clinton's assertions 82% TRUE/MOSTLY TRUE; 56% of Trump's FALSE/MOSTLY FALSE

Or PANTS ON FIRE outright (none of Clinton's were).

Another 9% of Clinton's statements were "half true" compared to 19% by her opponent - leaving just 25% of Trump's statements as true or mostly true.

This is based on fact-checking done on 11 major points made by Secretary Clinton, and 16 by Trump.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/26/trump-clinton-first-debate-fact-checks/

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Response to forest444 (Original post)

Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:44 PM

1. I'm surprised the Con's number is 56%! I was watching the hole broadcast and I'm struggling

to think of ONE THING he said that was true.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:52 PM

3. Politifact (as usual) was being generous to the Con.

They referred to the point he made in his own defense about the 1973 Fair Housing Act lawsuit as being a "settlement with no admission of guilt" as true without mentioning that the suit - contrary to his assertions that it was "against many firms" was in fact specific to the Trump outfit.

I give Politifact a mostly false on that one.

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Response to forest444 (Original post)

Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:46 PM

2. That must be the curve... was ANYTHING he said true...? I am not saying that for hyperbole

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 27, 2016, 01:41 PM

11. I think a lot of it was gibberish.

You really can't rate gibberish as true or false.

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Response to forest444 (Original post)

Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:02 AM

4. Clinton's lies were deliberately designed to rattle Trump.

And she'll gladly take the dings for them because they worked; Trump was stewing for most of the debate.

How do you like them apples, Trump?

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:12 AM

5. And they may not have been lies at all (more Politifact bias favoring GOP)

One of them, that "the only two of Trump's tax returns we have show he paid no taxes," is technically false - but in all likelihood not as much as Politifact suggests.

The two latest Trump tax returns ('78 and '79) showed that no federal taxes were paid, so even if the three prior to that ('75 to '77) show that he did, it may be safe to say he's not paid any since.

We know this, as Hillary pointed out because of a New Jersey casino license he applied for in 1980 - which at the time required divulging at least 5 years of recent tax returns.

Trump, after all, refuses to release any federal tax returns since 1980.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:24 AM

6. At best, the 'lies' I recognized her say were internet rummors that were neither true nor false

She went trolling, and he took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. It was delicious watching Clinton turn it all around and play Trump's game.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:33 AM

7. THAT was great temperament.

She gave as good as she got (if not better), and never lost her temper in the least.

Unlike the overgrown baby beside her.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:38 AM

8. He got played....

big time.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:46 AM

9. And best of all, he sabotaged himself.

Above all, by being so ungentlemanly and rude all the time to a lady.

Independent and swing voters (and of course Democrats) won't soon forget it. Trumpty can ask Rick Lazio all about that.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 27, 2016, 12:55 AM

10. I was never keen on Shakespeare, but I'm reminded of the one line...

"hoist with his own petard,", which roughly (in my mind) translates to:



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