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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnd some people wonder why black people are wary of the police...
He's the victim of a crime and the police immediate treated him like a criminal... AS IF we're ALL criminals in their eyes. That's how they see us.
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TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)
metroins
(2,550 posts)Not really....
babylonsister
(171,066 posts)We know it's happening all the time.
metroins
(2,550 posts)I think the legitimate cases should be brought to light and false reporting only hurts the cause. Crying wolf only hinders progress.
This looks false and without basis, with no facts.
The only way to make a change is to investigate systemic abuses.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)It's an anecdote, but it rings true to me, knowing what I do about systemic racism and police interaction with African Americans. I'd be willing to bet this sort of thing happens to young black males, pretty consistently.
metroins
(2,550 posts)You don't get arrested and fingerprinted for no reason. There needs to be a charge. I'm having an extremely difficult time with a cop going through all this trouble for no reason. No warrants, no
If the story was "cops beat up kid for no reason" I'd believe that over arresting somebody for calling the police when they call the cops for their car being stolen.
If this story is even true, and there is an actual kid --(I don't think there is)-- who was arrested, I'd be hard pressed to believe he didn't have warrants or did something.
It's not logical to go through all the work for no reason.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Oh brother.
All of your assumptions come from an alternate reality.
metroins
(2,550 posts)17 year old kid, did nothing wrong, car stolen, calls police and is arrested for no reason. None.
Only evidence is a tweet from a random guy with no details.
I'm sorry but it sounds like bullshit.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)They accused him of being on drugs.
haele
(12,659 posts)An arrest means that they're legally detaining the person, not necessarily that they are filing charges and the person has to go to court. A record of the arrest has to be filed, photo and fingerprints taken, and then they can be released with a "stern warning" and record that indicates they're to be considered a potential person of interest later on if they do something else wrong. Just as people have been handcuffed and sat down while police "sort things out" at the side of a road after someone is panicky after someone hit their car and ran. Which I've seen happen in my neighborhood three times in the last four years...along with the 50-year old (black) neighbor who was stopped while walking home because he looked like a suspect and told the police they had the wrong guy. They forcibly sat him down and handcuffed him on the curb right in front of our house, and threatened to do the same thing to my disabled (white) husband when he came out and asked what the hell they were doing to our neighbor. Didn't matter that the suspect turned out to be a thirtyish man half a foot taller and a hundred or so pounds heavier, our neighbor was seen walking from the area of the strip mall the suspect was in, and was "avoiding" the police.
He was arrested on suspicion, but released without being booked once they found out their mistake an hour later.
My stepdaughter's friends, a boy with a Mexican national parent, was arrested and taken downtown for processing for "breaking curfew", even though he was picked up during the day at a park where homeless stayed - because he had been reported a run-away a week prior and had been hanging out with friends; but they released him without charges - no evidence at all he had been out after curfew.
People can get detained get released without charges being filed afterwards, which is where I think a lot of confusion comes from, but many police departments have a policy that any reported adverse reaction with the police ends up with arrest, be it that you're a teenager of color who gave a little lip to an officer having a bad day when he stopped to "talk to you", or leading the police on a foot-chase after you were caught shoplifting at the corner store.
Haele
metroins
(2,550 posts)Guy forced to sit, detained, because description might fit. I believe that.
Guy arrested on trumped up charge because he was a runaway a week earlier. I believe it.
See the common theme? A reason. Whether right or wrong, there's a logical thought that occurred.
The tweet has no reason. Put yourself in the cops shoes of the tweet, kid calls cops because his car is stolen, has groceries and lojack, welp let's just take him downtown to ruin his eggs.
Hell, I'd even believe my version because there's a reason. This tweet story is made up and attention grabbing bullshit with no details or reasoning.
Humans react logically, many times it can be wrong but there's always a reason.
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)A Black Kid.
metroins
(2,550 posts)It's a made up story.
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)You??
Prove it
I actually think there should be some skepticism about a twitter story But to say this potential situation would never happen??? Well you're full of shit...go visit some communities of color
metroins
(2,550 posts)If you want to fall into a bloggers attempt at publicity, go for it.
But read the OP again for yourself and you'll realize you've been fooled.
This bloggers got you all riled up defending a fake story.
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)I ain't defending shit....in fact I have stated several times on this thread that it's healthy to doubt a twitter story and OK to doubt it. But critical thinking ain't one of your core skill sets, is it sparky?
But you're the one who posited that police would never arrest, and fingerprint no one for no reason. Haven't said a fucking work about what myself and other posters of color have said about how fucking wrong you are.
metroins
(2,550 posts)As I've said multiple times.
I feel bad for people getting trapped into his fantasy.
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)You just saying it's made up...well that's not going to fly with thinking folk.
metroins
(2,550 posts)No facts, no locations, no story
Just a blogger getting ratings.
Take a step back and ask yourself why you're getting all riled up. Read my posts, I'm saying there shouldn't be any people crying wolf (like this story) and I could believe it if the cops beat the kid up, but this is a blogger getting links and I find it disgusting he'd do that and I find it sad people will believe a story with no facts in it.
You're getting played.
I'm not going to dox the blogger, then find out what team he coaches, then call up each parent to find out the names.
It's a bullshit story for clicks.
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Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)The entire description of his actions using a "Lojack App" are pure bullshit made up by somebody who has heard of LoJack but doesn't know enough about how it works to make up a lie that revolves around it.
That much of this story is provable bullshit. Given that the whole account revolves around the mythical person trying to use a mythical app to locate his car there is little reason to see any of the rest of it as credible.
And dare I mention that "LoJack" has become so famous that the name can and/or is used for many brands of vehicle tracking systems.
Not saying that is necessarily the case here, but once again "proof positive" that a person of color is lying about racist cops turns out not to be so "positive"
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)They don't offer any such thing for private owners.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Or just go ahead and show us more "proof" of how poc are "lying" about institutional racism
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)But when you look at the rest of the story and its inconsistencies along with that the whole picture leans strongly to bullshit.
If he is so worried about this injustice why isn't he naming the specific department to call them out?
metroins
(2,550 posts)I think the white twitter guy is making shit up and this is a fictitious black student.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)And of course more twitter followers means more hits. And the "news" articles I see about this all just happen to link to both of his blogs.
brush
(53,780 posts)This stuff happens to POCs, especially black people, all the time.
Have you not been paying attention the last few days?
What do you think happened in Tulsa?
No crime committed, black guy needed help with his car. Ends up being treated as a criminal, hands up in the air, but instead of just being detained, is killed.
Very similar circumstances, right, a guy needing help but is criminalizes.
You need to come out of your privilege cocoon and open your eyes and mind more often.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)You are not very logical with thinking like that.
I just love the smell of absolutely ignorant people on GD.
You're White aren't you? Never been in many Black Neighborhoods or associated with people of color have you? If you had, you'd understand that what you are posting is total, uniformed bullshit. If you want to doubt the veracity of this particular story, that's fine, I'm cool with that. But this bullshit that cops would never arrest and fingerprint you for no reason just illustrates your major league ignorance. But in the spirit of helping uninformed people on DU, I'll educate you.
Lots of talk about stop and frisk in the news lately. Won't rehash that piece of shit policy here. But what those who have no idea what they are talking about, like yourself, there were some other programs just as insidious as stop as frisk. Two of them were the Building Trespassing laws and the Swarm.
So in the Giuliani era, they instituted this trespassing program where city buildings could register with the city. A sign would be placed on the building that trespassers would be prosecuted if they were caught in the building without permission to be there. On the face, it was a good idea. Meant to help a building where someone may have set up a drug store in a building. Seems like a good tactic right?
Combined with this was a tactic the NYPD called the swarm and it was just what it sounds like. Teams of NYPD would swarm into an area and arrest people in what they perceive to be drug infested areas. Once again, good idea, right? The problem was with the execution. The swarm would go into these buildings that were registered with the trespassing program and arrest everyone in sight including the few who might be there for nefarious purposes and the majority who were not. Cops didn't want to hear shit! You were handcuffed, arrested, trudged down to central booking and kept there until you had a court appearance. The majority of cases you got a desk appearance ticket once you went before a judge and in the majority of cases any bullshit trespassing charges went away.
I was visiting someone who lived in a marked building one evening and got caught up in one of these actions. Cops didn't even want to hear with a bunch of us had to say, that we were there to visit friends or family. I was arrested, handcuffed and fingerprinted for no reason. Spent four days in central booking with a lot of people of color in the same boat.
So unless you know people of color who can support your bullshit, shut the fuck up and listen to our stories instead of saying this would never happen. People like you are what will keep this country from reaching solutions on the horrible relations between communities of color and the police.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)
WTF???
---- You don't get arrested and fingerprinted for no reason. There needs to be a charge. I'm having an extremely difficult time with a cop going through all this trouble for no reason. No warrants, no
If the story was "cops beat up kid for no reason" I'd believe that over arresting somebody for calling the police when they call the cops for their car being stolen.
If this story is even true, and there is an actual kid --(I don't think there is)-- who was arrested, I'd be hard pressed to believe he didn't have warrants or did something.
It's not logical to go through all the work for no reason.---
Marr
(20,317 posts)This is the problem with overblown rhetoric, and instantly backing incendiary claims that are based on nothing but one person's perception. People start to get suspicious of the validity of those stories.
No one wants to hear that though.
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)Just like those people who can never find any fault with police...even when video evidence is presented to them, even when communities of color have cried out for years about the fucked up behavior of police and have refused even in cases of outright excessive uses of force to hold police accountable.
I hate those fuckers. We should hold a meeting
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Your post as well... seems legit. Not really.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other (insert distinction lacking relevant difference below in case self-validation is required).
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)to put themselves in our place
Bettie
(16,109 posts)this could never, ever happen? Really?
My son read this and he believed it could happen very easily.
He is in the same class as the son of our town's police chief and the son of a State Patrol officers. Both of these boys are very open that "black people are much more likely to commit crimes becasue they are raised to think that being criminals is OK". Both of them state that they "know" this because their father's tell them that 90% of crimes are committed by black people. This is in Iowa where there is a mostly white population. Where they SEE white people arrested for crimes all of the f-ing time.
I have zero problem believing this. It probably happens quite regularly to POC.
metroins
(2,550 posts)The way it's portrayed in this twitter post.
I think if you read the twitter feed objectively, it seems to either be missing a LOT of facts or is crying wolf.
I believe YOUR post because that seems legit.
I do not believe a perfectly fine young man with a lojack app is arrested for calling the police when his car was stolen. It's just not logical.
Police aren't fingerprint you without charging/arresting. No cop wants to do paperwork for no reason.
I'd actually believe the OP if the cop beat up the kid, that I could wrap my head around. Creating a paper trail for no reason, makes no sense.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)No details, no names, some "student" and this guy writes a blog.
Lol.
Oneironaut
(5,500 posts)This story is troubling, and also unverified. There is absolutely no proof that I can see (as of yet), that this actually happened. It may have happened, but believing it without any proof is silly.
Yes, things like this do happen. That doesn't mean that it did happen.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)
uponit7771
(90,344 posts)... how SOME of these municipalities train their officers
I pray they made a complaint and followed up on it
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)How do we turn this around? My small city doesn't have any citizen input to the police.
Bettie
(16,109 posts)Seriously, I have no input into our local police.
I'm mostly working on raising my kids to be better than my generation.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Or did they just "suspect" him of doing something?
What bullshit that is.
malaise
(269,008 posts)How dare this black kid drive a nice car
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)And then they don't drop the charges because your mom calls and raises hell.
Among some people it's quite fashionable these days to claim police misconduct or abuse where none exists, because it's the hot topic of the day and gets you attention. Since this little account is short on facts and presents a timeline that makes no sense that's how it reads to me.
If they gave a town we could fact check and look for the police report. But conveniently they don't. A bad PD should be called out by name....
Skittles
(153,162 posts)there's a lot of details missing here
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)See my post above...
White people really should be made to live in some communities of color for awhile. This story may be fishy but to say that police won't arrest and fingerprint a person a color with no valid reason just shows the ignorance of you and a lot of other posters on this thread.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)I have more than a little bit of a clue here.
Based on my professional experience, basic logic, and my life experience outside the job I am calling bullshit.
Fingerprinting is part of the booking process. You don't get booked without charges. The only time you fingerprint otherwise is if someone is refusing to ID themselves.
And fingerprinting someone is a pain in the ass. Its messy, its tedious, and its boring. If I had ever been inclined to screw with someone fingerprinting them would be the last way I would think about it.
And you don't "un-arrest" somebody because momma calls and complains.
Ohh, and a big giveaway- THAT ISN'T HOW LOJACK WORKS. There is no app for Lojack, you have to report the car stolen and there are specially equipped police cars that receive a radio signal sent out by the Lojack unit. Have you ever seen a police car with 4 antennas about a foot apart in a square on the roof? Those are Lojack antennas for a car equipped with a Lojack tracking unit.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)The cops know in the first 5 minutes they are barking up the wrong tree. But they have to push it and turn it in to a pissing match
https://m.
uponit7771
(90,344 posts)... someone laying on the ground with their hands in the air.
ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)I can understand people being skeptical about this particular story. But to say that police would never arrest, handcuff and fingerprint people of color without cause is bullshit tells me hos far we have to go to resolve police relations with communities of color.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)...happened and may be it didn't.
It is entirely possible (implausible but possible). The notion that the police transported, processed, detained this person for no reason is suspect. Plus given the fact that police abuse and inappropriate behavior is glowing hot topic right now adds to the potential spurious nature of this. The recent event where claims were made that proved false that resulted in added violence shows that there are those who will take advantage of the highly charged emotional nature of the issue. This could very well be true but it would be best to make sure it is before saying it is.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)can never envision the opposite of their views. I think you and I can both agree this story may be bullshit....in fact it might be.
But our friends really seem to have trouble envisioning the exact opposite. Fucks with their worldview
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Response to BronxBoy (Reply #40)
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uponit7771
(90,344 posts)... didn't :rolleyes:
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)There is no LoJack app.
The way LoJack works is there is a LoJack unit hidden in the vehicle. It is a receiver that is always looking for an activation signal. Once activated it sends a radio signal that can be received by police vehicles equipped with special receivers that the LoJack company gives PD's for free. If you see a police car with 4 even spaced antennas in a square about a foot apart on the roof it has a LoJack tracker.
LoJack units are only activated after a car is entered as stolen by law enforcement.
There is no data transmitter in a LoJack unit that can send radio signals back to an app, and there is no app.
All the unit does when activated is send a radio beacon signal that can be tracked by the specially equipped police vehicles.
There is no way to turn on your vehicles LoJack with law enforcement first reporting it stolen and when it is turned on there is no such thing as an app that can track your car with LoJack.
The entire premise of the story is based on a false story about how Lojack even works.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)Twitter is now considered to be 100% accurate?? The donald tweets a lot of things too... do you cite that crap as factual without any supporting evidence?
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)He posted this the 28th claiming it happened the day prior.
Here is the police blotter for the 27th in Evanston. No stolen vehicles reported.
https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/ILEVANSTON/2016/09/27/file_attachments/628542/sep%2B27-16dr.pdf
No stolen vehicles reported in Skokie for the same period either:
http://www.skokie.org/publicsafetybulletin.cfm
One stolen car in Lincolnwood, but it was from a car dealers lot.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lincolnwood/crime/ct-lwr-blotter-tl-1006-20160929-story.html
I could keep posting links, but I am working my way out from where this mystery student goes to school looking for reports of any arrest like that or the stolen vehicle, and not finding anything that fits. I have found one vehicle stolen from a car lot and one from a female so far.
I will keep looking to try and figure out what PD is behaving like this.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Right down to the Illinois ACLU who he would only say he is "passing their contact info on to the student" and doesn't even want to tell them what PD this supposedly was.
The story he was all willing to put all out there suddenly he doesn't want to talk about.
Skittles
(153,162 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)I think a white guy made up the black student and the whole story.
And it just happens he is someone who has blogs and podcasts that he gets money and prestige from, so more twitter followers for him and traffic to his websites is a win for him.
This to me looks like a white guy making up a story about a mythical black student to take advantage of the current high profile issue to get more twitter followers and website traffic by exploiting racial tensions to serve his bottom line.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Both for the original post, and the immediate reaction of some to dismiss it. I weep for this country. And I weep for DU.
raging moderate
(4,305 posts)My son gave me these little Tile squares. You put them on keyrings, or in wallets, or in cars, or whatever. Apparently you can locate lost or stolen items with them, using an IPhone or IPad. Including your car.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Tile uses Bluetooth to find things. The little tiles are only Bluetooth enabled so it only finds things within Bluetooth range of your phone.
I wouldn't work like he describes.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)THAT s why we still have to deal with this shit after all theses years. We are forced to prove reality.
