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Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 01:28 PM Sep 2016

Is teh LA Times/USC Tracking Poll,,,,,,,,

gaming a Trump bias in its results for no other reason than to keep the Poll averages for Hillary down. I know there are outliers,,,,, but this poll is out in Right field all the time. which is at least twice a week. Something stinks in Denmark!

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Is teh LA Times/USC Tracking Poll,,,,,,,, (Original Post) Cryptoad Sep 2016 OP
7 day tracking poll SCliberal91294 Sep 2016 #1
It's probably not a malicious effect Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #2
Realizing that their sampling and model is flawed, and not adjusting it for those errors is an still_one Sep 2016 #3
It was an experimental methodology Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #4
It's also good the poll averages Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #5
you trust those Republican SonOf Beachs far more that I do! Cryptoad Sep 2016 #6
YES MFM008 Sep 2016 #7

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
2. It's probably not a malicious effect
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 01:45 PM
Sep 2016

If you read the "polls" methodology, they made a serious mistake at the outset.

First off, recall that they are sampling the same panel over and over again. So any bias there at the beginning stays through the end.

Secondly, they asked their respondents who they voted for in 2012 and tried to match their respondent pool Obama's win numbers. This was a huge mistake. There is a well known "winner halo effect" by which a certain percentage of respondents will claim to have voted for the winner in past elections when they actually voted the other way. I have heard numbers for this effect ranging between 5 and 10% of respondents.

Lo and behold, the LA Times tracking poll appears to have a Trump +6 bias built in. Those are likely Romney voters who have had a convenient lapse in memory (because everyone wants to be a winner).

So no, I don't think they are trying to manipulate results. They just made a mistake at the outset and there is nothing to be doen about it now. I'm sure they even realize this at this point.

still_one

(92,216 posts)
3. Realizing that their sampling and model is flawed, and not adjusting it for those errors is an
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 01:55 PM
Sep 2016

intentional manipulation in my view

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
4. It was an experimental methodology
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 02:05 PM
Sep 2016

They are going to evaluate the experiment at the end in terms of its predictive quality.

I think that changing the methodology mid stream would actually be dishonest.

Also if this is grant funded work, they may NOT be allowed to completely change the methodology.

All the data is there for them at the end to play with. They can write about it in the paper that they publish.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
5. It's also good the poll averages
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 02:07 PM
Sep 2016

to have some consistent outliers. Let's us figure out which methodology is most robust to bad data.

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
7. YES
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 03:45 PM
Sep 2016

Yyyyyyyeeeeeeeesssssssssss.
She has been ahead by one point I think a couple of times.
The rest have all been for the maggot.

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