All this nonsense about Kaine interrupting during the debate...

[AmericanActivist]

I am glad Kaine interrupted. I am glad Kaine interrupted being interrupted by Pence. I am glad Kaine interrupted with facts, lots and lots of facts.

For years, decades even, Democrats were polite and patient and waited for their turn to reply to people like Pence and Trump and a long list of other people cut from the Republican cloth. Democrats waited for equal air time, a chance to reply and rebut these people. In most instances, that opportunity didn't happen. I recall constantly hearing Democrats needed to grow a backbone and get a spine. Now, having found said backbone/spine, they are attacked for interrupting. Oh geez oh Pete!

And, I have seen posts here that compare Kaine to Hillary in he first debate suggesting Kaine should have been quiet and let Pence talk and "hang himself" like Trump did. To those people I would say, what worked for Hillary would not have worked for Kaine. As a female, I believe this strategy worked for Hillary as a woman combined with the fact that her opponent, Trump, is a different type of man who definitely "hangs himself" with his words given half a chance. If Kaine, as a man, used the same approach that Hillary used with Trump Kaine would come off as weak. A quiet woman is one thing, but a man would be judged differently. And Kaine would be called spineless and told to grow a backbone. It has happened before and it happened for years.

So, for the record, I, for one, am very glad Kaine handled the debate the way that he did. He was armed with facts and he used them, he hammered them home and he defended Hillary's record and policy proposals.

[liberal N proud]

1. If he had not interrupted, the lies would have gone unchallenged

[beachbum bob]

3. you get your time and challenge..and insist on MORE time as the lies can't go unresponded

a good moderator would understand as well as the viewing audience. No need to butt in

[MADem]

10. The moderator was lousy, but sitting on your hands saying nothing suggests agreement.

Pence was LYING about material facts. He wasn't babbling like Donald about opinions and views, he was lying about things that actually did (or did not) happen. That kind of shit requires IMMEDIATE correction.

You don't let LIES go unchallenged.

[maddiemom]

18. Yes. the moderator did a poor job of controlling things.

[demosincebirth]

31. Exactly!

[liberal N proud]

11. What I saw was Pence who would not stop talking at the end of he's allotted time

No one is talking about that.

He used time that should have allowed a rebuttal. These events have a limited time and if one talks through everything, you are left with interrupting to get you counter point.

Pence is a bully just like his boss, just much more controlled.

[Ligyron]

13. I totally agree! eom

[exboyfil]

19. That is why the format sucked

You could not hear the moderator calling time.

These sit around the table debates are awful. There should be lights on the podium, and a statement at the beginning that if you go over your time, the opponent is allowed to talk over to you, and the rebuttal time does not start until you shut up.

If you interrupt during the opponent's time more than twice, then your mic will be shut off for the duration of your opponent's time from then on. The moderator in all cases should call out a breech in these rules.

[treestar]

24. very true

The moderator had to beg him to stop talking.

[vlyons]

32. Pence's strategy was to eat up the clock

So Kaine had less time to talk. Pence did his share of interrupting and talking over Kaine, especially in the beginning.

[jamesatemple]

35. Talking past one's allotted time is one thing;

using far more than the allotted time to repeat the same thing over and over is another. Pence used much more time than did Kaine, spouting the same lies over and over throughout the "debate".

[Rorey]

42. I swear, Republican politicians and pundits must take classes....

...in never ending sentences. They seem to think that whoever says the most words and says them fastest is the winner, no matter how nonsensical the content of their rhetoric is. They don't seem to know how to have a meaningful conversation or debate. I don't blame Tim Kaine one bit for interrupting, and actually admire him for it in this case. It's the only way to get a word in edge-wise with these Republican clowns.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

64. Pence would say "Let me finish my sentence" and then ramble on for a paragraph. . . . nt

[niyad]

65. welcome to du. you are quite correct--because they all operate the same way.

[uponit7771]

57. +1

[blue cat]

9. I was waiting for someone

To bring that up last night. Itwas freaking frustrating. I'm very happy with Kainesnperformance.

[wryter2000]

23. Bingo

Allowing the other side to interrupt without responding in kind is a losing strategy.

[beachbum bob]

2. I never go with interupting...never looks classy

let the other guy interrupt...and then chastise. Kaine did not help himself taking that tact

[MADem]

6. Pence was trying to gishgallop away from the truth. Sometimes, hauling out the

BULLSHIT! card is necessary.

Kaine helped himself JUST FINE.

smdh.

[Else You Are Mad]

8. Exactly. Nt

[citood]

36. Here's one small example of when restraint would have been the part of valor

Moderator: Generic question about 9-11

Pence: I was in Washington on 9-11

Kaine (interrupting): I was in Virginia

Not necessary.

Trump's next tweet gaffe can't come soon enough.

[MADem]

47. The Pentagon is in Arlington VA. The only thing in "DC" is the mailing address.

It's a stone's throw from the National Cemetery.

And I was there, too.

Pence was trying to play "I am more 911 patriotic as a consequence of my location" which is utter horse shit. By that measure, I'm more qualified for VP because I was closer to the impact zone than Pence was.

Kaine was right on the money with that retort.

And if you think that was a gaffe, you've got issues of perspective.

Kaine kicked ass and his comments will survive fact checking. Pence's comments? They'll make great commercials for our side. One lie after the next, and he couldn't defend his nutso running mate.

[citood]

73. None of that matters

If you don't think there was anything wrong with that interruption...well "you've got issues of perspective."

[MADem]

74. I doubt that.

The only people who thought Pence won are the Trump humpers ....

[citood]

75. Who exactly do you think is the audience for a veep debate?

With a comfortable lead, the marching orders should have been to 'do no harm'.

Winning, losing...doesn't matter. Try to score some points on the front runner (and Kaine did that), but above all - do no harm.

Oh yeah - answer: Many of the people watching the debate (who have a snowball's chance of being swayed one way or the other) are not political junkies. For them, this will be the first (and likely only) time they will see either of these candidates in a clip more than 30 seconds long.

Hell, Kaine may have 'won', by fact checking...but did he help or harm his ticket?

Like I said, the next twit storm to change the subject can't come fast enough.

[MADem]

77. Your concern is touching.

[citood]

78. FFS...If there were to be a 2nd VP debate, Kaine should do nothing different?

[MADem]

79. Correct. nt

[Raster]

86. Nothing different, if anything, assert himself even louder at Pence's lies.

[maddiemom]

16. I agree completely.

Kaine disappointed me here. I notice that the "focus group," although they thankfully said that it didn't change their minds in favor of Trump, "focused" on Kaine's interruptions, not the Pence parroted talking points. The second time Kaine interrupted, I was yelling at the TV, "Don't do that!"
BTH, no personal offense to you or your valid point (perhaps you meant tactIC and mistyped), but I see the word TACT, misused more and more frequently in place of TACK for changing directions (as in sailing).

[mdbl]

21. Sorry to disagree but

if Kaine hadn't interrupted, no one would have tried to correct the deceitful bloviating by Pence.

[beachbum bob]

33. I am a long time liberal, same with my wife and found it less than classy kaine's interruptions

there is always another way then act like trump...just saying demanding more time from the moderator to "set the record straight" would have been the smartest move..most of my friend agree that kaine made pence look calm

[BlueCaliDem]

56. This is politics. Bare-knuckled and all. Kaine did an excellent job of shoving Pence into the ropes

and KEPT him there - something Democrats have been loathed to do with the result that Republicans can say that Dems are wimps - and that was the general consensus for decades.

Needless to say, I loved Kaine's performance last night. He clearly won, and Pence was beaten to a pulp.

After the first half hour, Pence looked sweaty and desperate and Kaine was fresh and energetic, and he was more than ready to dish out more.

Yes, we KAINE!!

[mdbl]

90. if you prefer a debate where one side calmly never answers the

other then ok, but, that's not a good debater? I would rather hear some substance and passion then a sleepy contradiction. Pence was evasive in every response which answered nothing. I remember debate in school, that wasn't the way to win. I will concede a couple of times that Kaine interrupted, but it gets frustrating when the other party doesn't really address what you are talking about. I guess, though, in politics, we are all expected to have no expectations.

[relayerbob]

40. 100% agreed

VP debates are not about substance, they are about optics and not losing. Have been since they started doing them. Kaine could have come out a clear and undisputed winner had he simply bitten his tongue for a minute, let Pence step in his own shit, then pointed out the stink.

[mdbl]

91. it's too bad that Kaine didn't point out the worst of Pence

We already knew most of Trumps. I don't think the general public knows as much about the weirdness of Mike Pence.

[SunSeeker]

68. Kaine wasn't supposed to help himself. He was supposed to help Hillary.

And he did.

[MADem]

4. I agree with you--if the fact checkers do their jobs, instead of making this a beauty contest, like

they so often do, they will prove that Kaine kicked ass and Pence is an empty, lying, what-is-up-with-the-waxy-botox empty suit.

[livetohike]

5. I agree with you. I think Tim Kaine did great.

Maybe the Clinton/Kaine surrogates will get out there and wake people up with facts.

[Else You Are Mad]

7. I am glad Kaine interrupted.

Politics isn't about being polite when someone is outright lying to the American people unchallenged. Kaine would have done a grave disservice to the American people if the lies were left to stand. Remember, most Americans do not follow up on these political debates the next day -- so they would not realize that they were being lied to.

[HAB911]

12. The complainers didn't complain

when Donny Small Hands interrupted

[Aviation Pro]

14. In football...

...the flag comes out at the occurrence of the infraction. Same applies here, maybe moderators need a flag emblazoned with a picture of a steaming pile of bullshit.

[joshdawg]

17. Great idea!

It would be waved at drumpf and pence almost without stopping. Both spew enough methane that would put a herd of cattle to shame.

[Petrushka]

87. My daughter said they need those shock collars some people use to train dogs.

Every time one of the debaters interrupts or takes more than his allotted time,
the moderator zaps him.

[RussBLib]

15. I missed the first few minutes

when they said that Kaine interrupted a lot, but from what I saw, I thought he did great. Lots of facts; lots of policy proposals; and Pence would not - could not - defend Trump's bullshit.

It seems that all of the commentators gave the debate to Pence for style over substance. Pence was calm and cool. Sure, and he was lying his ass off.

The abortion chat was good too. "Why can't you trust women to make their own decisions?" Kaine kept asking. Pence could not answer.

I really like Tim Kaine. He's not going to just sit there and take all the lies without responding.

[TrogL]

20. Does it get any better? I DVRd it but stopped watching after the first 15 minutes

Between the DVR acting up (bad cable) and the constant interruptions I couldn't understand what anybody was saying.

If (as another poster said) the entire debate was Kaine interrupting an attempted Gish Gallop by Pence, bully for him but it was giving me a headache.

[lillypaddle]

22. Yessssssssssssss!

Finally, the voices of sanity.

[Saviolo]

25. Good for Kaine

Pence is a dangerous man. He lies as easily and effortlessly as Trump, but he does it far smoother and without any obvious outward sign, so it was important that he got called out on a few things, for sure.

Pence very confidently and calmly lied that only 10% of Clinton Foundation funds go towards helping people.
Pence very confidently and smoothly lied about a lot of things, honestly. Kaine needed to get in there and knock him off his stride with a few facts to counter those confident and smooth lies.

On the other hand, the topics of debate were absurd, and almost entirely framed in favour of the right wing. There was so much terrorism, Russia, North Korea, Syria, fear! explosions! fear! terrorists! Islam! fear! fear! fear! fear! and just about nothing about domestic issues, economic issues, environment, campaign finance, etc...

[turbinetree]

26. Kaine was protecting the American Public from the BS coming out the bigot sitting

across from him, this is the same man that thinks that if someone loves another person of the same gender they have NO Equal Protection under the 14th Amendment. And then tries to hide behind the first amendment for being a bigot------------end of story.

I love my brothers and I love my sisters, in his ( Pence's ) world view that is wrong, he is a racists and he is a bigot, he supports and and is running on a ticket that supports that mantra, and for moderators to equate that he is looking at 2020, and trying to make it appear that he is the "one", you MSM on what I saw after the so called "debate" are nothing more than enabling a racist and a bigot again.

To run for the office of this country and you the MSM should be ashamed of yourself, no wonder this country is where it is today, you have nothing but to seek ratings for greed.

When I listened to tweety last night I almost threw up, what a jerk, not once did he mentioned that Pence and the dumpster are racist and bigots, not once.

Kaine did and he did it every chance he got.

Kaine was voicing that ticket for what it is, a racists and bigoted ticket, and where a man has not paid federal income taxes in over 18 years ------------------------that is just f***ing wrong.

And he, Kaine reminded everyone that the "guy" sitting across from him, his racist bigoted buddy, thinks that everyone should have a nuclear device-----------------unimaginable, that a a orange non paying fraud would sit there and just push buttons like he is on some what people call "reality show" really--------------------reality is having a megalomaniac and his partner with nuclear codes-----------------that is down right scary

And Sanders is proposing legislation to close that line 15 loopholes that the dumpster and hedge fund mangers use to circumvent that rule and we are paying for that BS.

I for one if I was at the table I would have looked at Pence and said your morality, is not being a your knees everyday worshiping your "god", but hating mine

[world wide wally]

27. I wish Kaine would have waited patiently and just said, "What a bunch of malarky"

[PatSeg]

29. Ha, ha!!

There is only one Joe! I'm not sure anyone else could pull that off, but it would have been perfect.

[The Wizard]

28. His interruptions were deliberate

to demonstrate what kind of boor Trumple 4 Skin is. Republicans can't criticize Kaine without shining the light on the head of the Republican Party . Republicans always filibuster and interrupt. They have to remain silent on this.

[Nitram]

30. I agree. Lies should always be immediately interrupted and corrected.

[ecstatic]

38. +1000. nt

[retrowire]

34. i feel it was necessary as well.

There's no good in sitting back and just letting lies spew forth with no opposition.

[relayerbob]

37. I disagree

Looking unprofessional and petty is never a good thing. "Having a spine" is standing up for your principles, not throwing them out the window and acting like a child. Kaine was an excellent governor who succeeded by listening and acting. His staff did not prepare him well.

[Democat]

41. And yet many here on DU support Trump who is both unprofessional and petty

Many trolls.

[relayerbob]

43. So, fuck them

Doesn't mean we should stoop to GOP pettiness

[Rorey]

46. He didn't look "unprofessional and petty" to me.

He looked like an educated person who was prepared for the inevitable BS that Pence spewed. As others have said, if he had sat quietly and waited for Pence to shut his lying yap, the chance to rebut never would have come. The structure of the debate wouldn't have allowed it because the moderator was compelled to hit all of the topics.

[relayerbob]

52. So, if you went into work ...

and interrupted your coworkers constantly, your boss and fellow coworkers would respect you, pay attention and follow your lead?

Stooping to GOP tactics is why approx 50% of the population thinks there is no difference between the parties and don't vote.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

82. That's a false equivalence. In *this* situation--a time limited tv program,

In a nation where republican lies are allowed to stand, no, are actually spread by the media, the person who defends truth has got to speak loudly.

Pukes have been coddled in their tantrums for ages, while Liberal Democrats have felt fighting the mud slinging directly was beneath them. Unseemly for intellectuals.

Well, fighting back doesn't lower the intellect, and the pukes will use any kind of cheat. It's imperative that we respond immediately. Lies don't wait for table manners; truth needs to get right in there and control of the menu.

[BigBearJohn]

48. There was nothing petty about Kaine's performance. Truth is never petty.

Kaine's responses were BRILLIANT and he comported himself with the gravitas of a true leader. For YEARS I have waited for a democrat to interrupt the never ending BS spewing from the mealy mouthed republicans.

[relayerbob]

55. What part of

"When they go low, we go high" did you not understand.

Rise above, not sink to their level

[BigBearJohn]

59. Telling the truth can hardly be considered "going low."

[MADem]

49. No. Kaine DENIED Pence the opportunity to use him "lecturing"

Kaine in a campaign commercial. He also made it clear that Pence couldn't - and wouldn't - defend his shitty running mate. Kaine's performance will survive a fact check. Pence's won't. And it will also make a great commercial for our team.

Kaine was superbly prepared and he did a great job. Not sure what debate you were watching....?

[relayerbob]

54. As long as you're ok

with 50% of the country hating both parties and not voting .... and leaving the GOP in control of the government, then I guess it's OK then

[MADem]

61. Because kissing a lying bully's ass is the way to convince them?

THAT's how you pander to people too frigging lazy to exercise their franchise?

I don't think so.

Please--it's been a long time coming that a Dem told a Republican to go fuck himself--and if Pence is going to whine and cry about being "interrupted" maybe he needs to review his running mate's performance in his debate last week.

Pfffft.

[WinkyDink]

39. I'm with her, and I'm with YOU!

[Lucinda]

44. KNR Thank you!

[sanduca]

45. Tim Kaine won, end of story!

I loved Sen Kaine's performance last night. He did exactly what i was hoping he would. He put Trump in a corner and Pence was never able to defend Trump's lies, in fact Pence adopted Trump's lies. They are both liars and Sen Kaine was able to expose them both. I can't wait for the Hillary's tv ads with their lies side by side.
I'm proud of Sen Kaine, all democrats need to do the same...kick republican ass. You can be classy at the same time.
Republicans that complain about the 2-3 interruptions...cry me a river! Remember Trump interrupting Hillary almost a hundred times?

[SCVDem]

50. All Tim did was

Real time fact checking.

Don't lie and you won't get corrected.

[AmericanActivist]

72. Well there is that eh. Don't lie and you won't get corrected.

Fat chance of that happening with Trump/Pence.

[gopiscrap]

51. Thank you!!

[Greybnk48]

53. +1000! Pence was trying to steamroll the moderator

AND Kaine thinking that Kaine would be too genteel or polite to stop him. I'm glad he went after Pence like he did. I loved it, especially Kaine's strong finish. He forced Pence to lie and lie and lie.

[Marc2010]

58. Yeah, right

He could not get a word in edge-wise without Pence interrupting and going into full-blown derp mode.

[bucolic_frolic]

60. As Pence tried to reinvent Trump, Kaine was marvelous

But look for a new, friendly, congenial, coherent Trump to emerge in the next
forum. He may hold it together for an hour. He will be a liberal, reasonable,
forgiving, loving everyone. I especially think this will happen if he remains
silent for a period of time here. They are softening their image. Of course,
don't believe a word of it, but the real question is, will the undecideds, the voting public?

[BlueMTexpat]

88. How many times have we heard

something like this?

But look for a new, friendly, congenial, coherent Trump to emerge in the next
forum. He may hold it together for an hour. He will be a liberal, reasonable,
forgiving, loving everyone

All Hillary will have to do is to get under his skin. Just once. He will not be able to resist despite his coaching.

So long as he does not have a script to follow word for word or a teleprompter to keep him on track or an earpiece, Trump will simply not be able to stop being Trump. And that means that even if he HAD a script, a teleprompter AND an earpiece, he would likely STILL ignore them.

You see, Trump alone KNOWS BEST.

[polynomial]

63. The Republican Clowns are out

Compounded by media comments saying this is not very important debate, Vice President debating is not that important. My view is that highly and likely it is and the moderator unknown to me is of the so called “Bottom Line People”. The Washington post declares Pence the winner. We know he is not...

In my view Kane knew this for immediate reaction, yep this is fixed for Trump. So Kane jumped in.

From my view the comments about the debate don’t reflect language truth, the debate on Pence side loaded relating to deep inward feelings rather than the intellect or truth of the issues.

In other words, Pence revealed his character in the true Republican image to smoothly lie within generalities as nothing specific, this visceral gut type of debating is what the Republican base is about.

Any facts that were made by Kane, Pence easily shifted, Kane making a list of true statements made by Trump, yet Pence turning them as insults by Kane.

Respectfully Kane supported Clinton especially within that tax record issue in that Trump did not show his taxes or pay taxes for many decades.

It was an eye opener for me not knowing about such a tax shelter does exist. Moreover, within my personal research about the Bush family in that business deals were made with enemy or terrorist that protracts back to Prescott Bush scaling to George W. Bush with close family relations with Arab money the news media to this day ignore for good reason, because it’s definitely conflict of interest related to profiteering to the bottom line, and basic treason.

Thinking through this tax issue raises the question about bailouts being totally unfair beside who else used this tax advantage, is it common practice or is Trump the genius that found a loop hole that nobody else knows existed. Yet claims Hillary knows it…and should change it?

This tax scheme seems essentially to be some old world feudal system that punks the public, a sort of carnival language within the Congress and Senate that isolates the layperson, only the clowns in the big top know the secret tax code. A difficult chore, Hillary has to fess up too…

Then in a political sense Trump threw the one percent under the bus revealing such a secret tax code that the average American does not know making Trump himself more appealing in his base.

Since Trump is extremely more slippery than a sinusoidal wave punching through the cosmos, he can make anyone believe there is no God.

With that said it surprises me in that the religious right supports Trump.

Pence being of that religious character lost the issues violating the first amendment with LBGTQ, or abortion, with the women’s right of choice, same sex love, or transgenders, were a personal government character being the decider is unacceptable.

Essential for both issues, have a government decider within personal domain of one’s sole is big government. That new genius tax loop hole is the same, yet within the secret carnival language of Congressional and Senate code that marks-up secrets isolating the average America is the problem and Hillary needs to address it.

[frankieallen]

66. Sure, democrats loved his performance, everyone else thought he was constantly interrupting....

including the all important independents. Spin it any way you want, I bet he doesn't do that in the next debate.

[Not Sure]

67. All the Pence soundbites are now poisoned... with truth.

Kaine succeeded in keeping the lies from the debate from being used on endless repeat without some heavy editing. And just in 12 hours they've circulated enough that people will remember something missing if edited versions show up later. Kudos to Kaine for putting Pence in his place.

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Big HONKIN' K&R

As an example, see how Obama was completely ravaged, both by the media (including Tweety and Big Ed exploding and otherwise turning red while going ballistic) after his first debate against Romney when he calmly tried to cover "issues" while letting Romney try to hang himself with the bullshit. DU also went ballistic.

[dembotoz]

70. was at a hrc watch party last night and the folks there were horrified

there are true believers who went to an hrc event instead of watching from home

comments during???
omg he is acting just like trump

how rude what is wrong with him?

he lost this big time


what the actual results remain to be seen

[WillowTree]

71. I'm with the critics on this one.

A little of that goes a long, long way with me. Let the man have his say and then make a reasoned response refuting it. The constant interruptions (and they were constant) just made him look rude and like he was afraid to let Pence be heard.

Just my opinion.

[Hoyt]

76. I would have been fine if Kaine had punched Pence out, but I do think a true undecided who really

doesn't follow politics as closely as us, might have been annoyed with Kaine interrupting Pence. On the other hand, Kaine kept hammering home important points and it might have gotten through to some people who truly are undecided. Can't really believe anyone is truly undecided at this point.

The ads that prove Pence lied that came out of the debate might have a lingering impact -- obvious references to Putin as a great leader, comments that women should be punished for abortions, clear bigotry toward immigrants, etc. Those are hard to ignore unless one has really decided they are going to vote third party or for the Trump.

[Mc Mike]

80. Thanks for your o.p. AA. Recced.

I for one am still hoping to see an analysis of who interrupted and interjected more times, like we got for the tRump Clinton debate. I think that one went 44-17 in favor of the orange nazi interrupting.

By my own "shut up" index, how many times I feel I have to tell the repug to shut up while watching privately, I think Pence actually may have interrupted and interjected more than Kaine, or it was even. Still, I back your point, that the media was willing to say Kaine lost if he didn't interrupt, because he wasn't "aggressive enough".

And Pence definitely spoke more and longer during the debate, it was a typical non-stop repug lie filibuster.

[AmericanActivist]

83. I would like to see that analysis also. I love your

"Shut up" index, funny I can relate to that although I have never named it. I appreciate what you shared. Thanks.

[Mc Mike]

84. My wife doesn't enjoy my deployment of it that much. But at least neighbors haven't

gotten concerned enough by the noise to call the authorities. The dog doesn't seem too thrilled with it, either.

I just get so steamed that it has to come out somehow, or I'll blow a gasket.

Thanks for the o.p. Nice to have good post-ers joining the site. Welcome.

[Coyotl]

81. Trump won by dozens of interruptions. Trump also won on lies, one per interruption to Kaine's zero.

Hands down, Trump is the interrupter in chief and the liar in chief.

[murielm99]

85. In some ways, this is Kaine's role.

During the campaign, he can say things that Hillary cannot say.

Joe Biden is an attack dog when necessary. He says things President Obama cannot say. Obama respects the Office of the President. He is also too classy and too much of a gentleman to say some things. I have always been glad that Biden is outspoken.

I hope Kaine keeps it up.

[IronLionZion]

89. Hillary's politeness made it clear that Trump was the asshole

I get what you're saying and glad that our candidates came prepared with facts while Pence denied the undeniable. But it looked bad and I turned it off halfway because of it. And I even told Hillary's people who called me for a donation since they asked about it.

The answer is to be assertive, not to be rude. I get it. Democratic men are already considered spineless, effeminate, etc. They were saying that Pence was more manly than Kaine before the debate even happened. "broad shouldered" and "square jawed" was often used to describe Pence against the slightly chubbier balding Kaine.

The interruptions were well intentioned but didn't help.

[MADem]

92. Let's review this thread through the short lens of CURRENT EVENTS....

All of the hand wringing and crying about Kaine being "mean" or "rude" ... and from all that "meanness" and "rudeness" we get this beautiful, wonderful GEM that is a gift that will keep on giving for WEEKS:

Kaine's performance was fucking BRILLIANT--and that's the proof, right there.