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(1,735 posts)Was a Cat two or one at landfall. The breaking of the dams caused most of the damage. But this is much stronger unfortunately.
malaise
(268,985 posts)Go West
Serious damage in Nassau and Paradise Island
Beausoleil
(2,843 posts)With 120 MPH winds.
Horrific damage along the Mississippi coast, Slidel, LA was almost completely wiped out.
This was no Cat 1.
malaise
(268,985 posts)Now look at this
Hurricane Warnings are now in place from Broward County, Florida, to Ediston Beach, South Carolina. As of 2 pm EDT Thursday, Matthews sustained winds were holding at 140 mph, with the storm located about 125 miles east-southeast of West Palm Beach, Florida.
https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=3468
VMA131Marine
(4,139 posts)The NHC storm surge map shows the whole area being inundated.
malaise
(268,985 posts)Damn!
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Andrew and Camille in recent history. Camille was a legend when I moved to Mississippi in the late 1970s.
This one is going to ride up the coast of eastern Florida. It could be worst than Andrew.
malaise
(268,985 posts)I will never forget it
dmr
(28,347 posts)boy, I won't forget it either. The aftermath was awful. The things I saw gave me nightmares.
I heard the weather guy say this morning that Mathew could go from Category 4 to Category 5 very rapidly. He also said this would be the strongest hurricane to hit the Florida coastline since they started gathering statistics in 1850.
It's frightening. My thoughts, prayers and comforting hugs for everyone's safety.
We're fortunate to have President Obama in office. Poppy Bush (Andrew) & GW Bush (Katrina) were failures in getting the gears of the Federal government going to assist the victims.
I can feel my anxiety level skyrocketing from past hurricane memories, --- thankfully I'm now safely tucked away in Northern Michigan.
malaise
(268,985 posts)Warpy
(111,255 posts)but I remember a lot of east coast hurricanes. Hazel is the first one I remember clearly, probably because they kept us in school because a brick building was safer. Then all the oak trees surrounding it started to fall on top of it and we had to be evacuated elsewhere.
But yeah, if you've been in one, you tend to have a few flashbacks here and there when another big one hits, especially when it hits someplace you're very familiar with.
And yes, the people in Florida are fortunate Obama is in the White House. Republicans use FEMA as a dumping ground for incompetents they owe favors to. Democrats staff it with professionals who know how to deal with disasters.
Nay
(12,051 posts)were blase about them; we always evacuated. It was always interesting to come back home and see all the interesting stuff that came ashore in the hurricane!
The damage was incredible.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Living hell...
blm
(113,057 posts).
When we lived in Murphy, hurricane on the coast caused rain and mudslides that destroyed several mountain homes.
1939
(1,683 posts)Was one (forget the name and year, maybe Camille) that came ashore in the Gulf and tracked up the Appalachian Mountain chain. Many lives lost due to flash flooding in the mountains.
malaise
(268,985 posts)Matthew is huge
I'm seeing rain bands in Fort Myers. We're still getting rain associated with Matthew in Jamaica.
Notice that there are two hurricanes in the Atlantic - Nicole is heading for Bermuda
blm
(113,057 posts).
malaise
(268,985 posts)In terms of the US coastal track and strength they are very similar, but Floyd never entered the Caribbean.
blm
(113,057 posts)..
malaise
(268,985 posts)chillfactor
(7,575 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)Lots of people forget that one. It was pre internet. Miles upon miles of houses looking thie spikt matchsticms. It was bad!
csziggy
(34,136 posts)I remember checking on people I knew from Compuserve forums - a few we never heard back from. The ones we did hear from - weeks later - were still shell shocked and some had lost everything.
The year after Andrew hit, a teenager wrote an excellent paper about the effects of the storm on livestock. I have a copy I downloaded from the internet to use as a guide for making improvements on my farm. There was a lot of other information available on the internet about home construction, safety recommendations and other tips for surviving storms.
Maybe Andrew was pre world wide web but it certainly was not pre-internet!
malaise
(268,985 posts)I remember the old black screen - dos it was - some had green script.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Something like $2 an hour. For the forums there was a great piece of software - TAPCIS (The Access Program for Compuserve Information Service) - that let you go online, download the thread subject lines, offline mark the threads you wanted to read, go back online to pick up the threads. Then you could spend however much time you wanted reading and responding to the threads, and then spend a few minutes uploading the responses. With TAPCIS many users paid $5 a month for a minimal number of hours and never used up their time.
Between having to subscribe to a pay service for most seriously informative sites and having to pay an ISP for access, pay for an extra phone line (unless you didn't need to take calls), the internet was not cheap back then. When we first started, we paid $50 for 300 baud speed - by the time the world wide web started we were up to 14.4 kbs! At that speed and with our poor internet connections, the web was not very much fun to use - way too slow for most pages to load and too many time outs.
For many years even those slow speeds were not reliable in my rural location. On the dirt road down the way from the farm on a curve there was a big mud puddle. Coming up out of the puddle were two cable ends, taped together and to a big stick in the mud. A huge wad of duct tape attempted to keep the splice in the telephone cable dry. Sometimes a passing vehicle would hit the stick and douse the splice in the mud. Sometimes it rained too hard and the stick simply slumped over. Either way we'd lose our internet connection and the telephone line was not very reliable, either.
The telephone line was like that up to the point the road was paved - then they put in new cables and the connections were much more consistent. Soon after, they ran fiber optic down the road and we got DSL broadband.
Down memory lane. I lived near UWI back then so we had 'decent' (or we thought it was decent) service. Now I'd turn it off.
Haven'e heard anyone mention that software in years!!!
csziggy
(34,136 posts)I think I threw away the 5.25" ones a long time ago. Not sure if he is still using it, but for years my husband used the box one of the versions of TAPCIS came in to carry his AD&D dice around in.
Heck, I still have The Source notebook here somewhere - that was the pay service I used before Compuserve bought it.
malaise
(268,985 posts)Andrew was 1992. One of my Miami nephews was reminding me that he was nearly four and found things flying around exciting. That's his only memory.
mcar
(42,311 posts)We put him on a mattress in the walk in closet in our NW Dade apartment. He slept through it all. I was terrified and we northern transplants were woefully unprepared.
malaise
(268,985 posts)because of my Gilbert experience. Her place survived while most of her neighbors had serious damage.
mcar
(42,311 posts)I wanted him to come here to west central FL but he said the roads are too packed.
I cannot believe some people are staying on the coast.
malaise
(268,985 posts)Many folks in Port Royal Jamaica will never move.
mcar
(42,311 posts)Others are just stubborn.
malaise
(268,985 posts)It's true many can't afford to move
Skittles
(153,160 posts)or just have a lot of spare cash
I hope there are adequate shelters
Orlando is in play? I thought it was mostly East Coast. My nephew and wife are there for a very delayed honeymoon.
mcar
(42,311 posts)Depends on the strength of those bands but they'll get rain and lots of wind. They could lose power in spots. Lots of folks on the Atlantic coast have headed to Orlando and parts west and north. Thus, the traffic. I just wanted my chick home under my wing.
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)I understand the chick being home under your wing, thing.
Stay safe everyone. This sounds scary.
Hugs!
mcar
(42,311 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Now, if you're east of Orlando or on the coast, time to worry.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)malaise
(268,985 posts)Matthew will be retired along with Don the Con after both complete their cycle of destruction
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Even without direct hit, it will still pour tons of water and lots of wind on So. Fla.
https://www.windytv.com/?2016-10-12-09,27.752,-83.276,6
Gman
(24,780 posts)Bad enough right along the coast. But a direct hit would put a lot of people at risk many miles inland.
malaise
(268,985 posts)from the outer bands - Jacksonville is in deep trouble
DrDan
(20,411 posts)it seems to be headed directly to our house . . .
Hope your house will be OK
malaise
(268,985 posts)<snip>
NHCs Hurricane Warning as of 8 pm extended from Boca Raton, FL, to South Santee River, SC, including Lake Okeechobee and Orlando. As of 8 pm EDT, Matthew was moving toward the northwest, but slightly more northward than westward, at about 13 mph. Given that Matthew was then located about 75 miles east of Palm Beach, we can be confident that Matthew will not make landfall south of Palm Beach. (A reminder: NHC defines landfall as the center of a tropical cyclone reaching the coast. A hurricanes eyewall can move along the coast without it being considered landfall of the storm itself.)
Matthews path should undergo a very gradual rightward arc as it approaches the angled Florida coast, which makes it very difficult to say exactly where landfall might occur. The more important question may be where Matthews strongest winds come ashore. Especially if Matthew undergoes an ERC, parts of its eyewall could affect the entire coastline from around Palm Beach north to the Georgia coast for extended periods, although these winds may only be around Category 1 strength. A broader field of sustained winds above tropical-storm strength (39 mph) can be expected well inland, including Lake Okeechobee and the Orlando area. As we discussed in our our post on Wednesday morning, the most likely point for landfall--if landfall occurs--is Cape Canaveral, which juts about 10-15 miles into the Atlantic.
Extreme storm surge possible in northern Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina
Even a broader, weaker Matthew would retain its ability to produce severe storm surge north of its path, especially along Floridas First Coast (including St. Augustine and Jacksonville) and the coast of Georgia. As of late Thursday afternoon, the entire coast from near Boca Raton, FL, to Cat Island, SC, was under a storm surge warning under a prototype NHC system expected to become operational next year. As Matthew churns northward, the northeast winds ahead of it will pile water against the coastline, leading to what could be record or near-record storm surges in some areas.
mcar
(42,311 posts)You are safer here on the west coast. This is a scary storm.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Storm we have seen
We have evacuated a number of times but never to Tampa
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Glad you are safe!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Mendocino
(7,488 posts)My sister and BIL have evacuated from coastal South Carolina to inland Georgia.
malaise
(268,985 posts)Hope they're OK - Georgia usually escapes
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gopiscrap
(23,759 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)moondust
(19,980 posts)malaise
(268,985 posts)capable of dealing with a Cat4 which is deadly.