I was reminded last night why we need to win in 2012.

[RandySF]

Last night, I watched the movie 'Fair Game', about the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame by the White House. I got angry because I was reminded about the run-up to the war in Iraq. And I got angrier still when I thought about the 2000 Florida recount. Three years of the Obama Administration did not sooth my anger over the greatest election and foreign policy frauds in American history. I was also reminded by what the Bush family mafia were willing to do to anyone who gets in their way. Now, they sit and wait in their offices at the Heritage Foundation, the Weekly Standard and the American Enterprise Institute to return to the White House and Cabinet offices. And they already beat the drums for war with Iran. I'm sorry. I know people are disappointed with the Obama's shortcomings, but I have too long a memory to hand over the keys to the Republicans. Elections DO matter.

[spanone]

1. k&r...

[housewolf]

2. I'm with you on this

Thanks for expressing it so honestly.

[WillyT]

3. I Agree... And If The POTUS And His Team Played This Right... We Could Actaully CRUSH The GOP...

[Major Hogwash]

4. Calling them the "Bush family mafia" is right!!

They couldn't care less what happens to other people as long as they live high on the hawg!

[avebury]

22. If you want to read up on the Bush Family mafia I would recommend

the following book: The Immaculate Deception: Bush Crime Family Exposed by Russell Bowen

or
Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America's Invisible Government, and the Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years by Russ Baker

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. I agree COMPLETELY. n/t

[proud patriot]

6. well said

[bleever]

7. I saw it last night too.

Holy crap, what a flashback that whole movie was. Every part of the story. It brought out all the outrage and sorrow that I felt at that time.

K&R.

[Warpy]

8. We need to remember one thing: the GOP has devolved into a racketeering organization

They really do consider themselves exempt from the laws of both church and state.

This is why they pose such a danger to this country.

This is why they have to be stopped. Now.

[Dawson Leery]

9. I am not in the business of "forgiving" these criminals and their enablers.

Defeating the neo-cons and reconstructionists is a top priority.

[coalition_unwilling]

10. I am among those who continually state my disappointment and

dsiagreement with Obama and his administration.

However, there are times in the course of human affairs that demand one vote for the lesser of two evils. This is clearly one such time and I will be voting for Obama in 2012 without reservations.

If you don't believe me, just watch one of the Repuke debates live. I did and it scared me right out of my brief flirtation with voting third party in 2012.

The Repukes are downright terrifying and horrifying simultaneously. Except maybe Huntsman.

[Dawson Leery]

11. Huntsman wants a war with Iran. He too is dangerous.

[coalition_unwilling]

12. He is the most 'dangerous' imo, in that I think he

would give Obama the toughest GE campaign of all of them.

But thanks for letting me know about his position on Iran. Proves he's crazy, just not as crazy as the rest of the group.

[tavalon]

16. Oh yeah

Oh yeah, With my nose firmly plugged, I will be voting for Obama. 2008 was a stellar year for me, because it was the first in memory that I voted enthusiastically. The hangover has been a bitch.

[NNN0LHI]

18. Bush successfully used the Huntsman approach with his Compassionate Conservative slogan in 2000

That didn't work out too good for most of us.

Don

[coalition_unwilling]

25. Yup, I hear you, man. Someone upthread pointed out that

Huntsman favors war with Iran. That disqualifies him, imo (although he's not as viscerally terrifying as, say, Bachmann or grotesquely unctuous as, say, Gingrich or Romney).

[Maraya1969]

19. Do you think you can keep your criticisms to a minimum now

that we are close to an election and most people just read headlines and then there goes the polls and people's enthusiasm drops and they don't show up at the voting booths and you are stuck with a lost presidential bid just because you and some others wanted to bitch about your president.

We are always being watched.

[coalition_unwilling]

24. Oh, probably. Actually, depending on how terrifying and horrifying

the Repuke nominee actually is in 2012, I may actually volunteer for Obama again.

Such is the fervor with which I hold to my position that occasionally holding one's nose is an absolute civic duty.

The Repukes cannot be trusted anywhere near the White House. Watch but one debate and you will be convinced of it, if you were not already.

[DallasNE]

21. Get Real

Lesser of two evils? Not even close. Such talk is disgusting.

[coalition_unwilling]

23. Hunh? Obama has allowed Bush and Cheney to escape

accountability for their actions while torture became official U.S. policy.

That's disgusting, imho.

[Major Hogwash]

26. The American people did that.

Look at the Congress they gave President Obama to work with!!

Do you honestly think that the Congress we have today would be more liberal if Nancy Pelosi would have started an investigation in 2009 into why Bush allowed torture to take place during his administration?

Now, before we go on with this discussion, let it be known right here and now that I support the death penalty.
And the penalty for giving an order to torture someone is for them to be hung until they are dead.
I already looked it up and found out that was the penalty.
So, even though I believe that Bush and Cheney should both be hung for allowing torture to take place while they were in office, they are just flecks of dawg doo in the grand scheme of things.

Hanging them would be just, in my opinion.
But, history will be their ultimate judge, and I think that history will accurately reflect what worthless tiny specks of filth they were while they were here on this ethereal plane.

[coalition_unwilling]

27. I don't support the death penalty, even for torturers and war criminals. I'm not

sure how Pelosi entered this discussion so I'll simply say that Obama is in charge of the U.S. Department of Justice, not Pelosi.

I agree with you that history will be the ultimate judge of Bush and Cheney. And I agree that the American people as a whole bear some responsibility for not holding their leaders accountable. But the post I was responding to said that my suggestion that a vote for Obama represented a vote for the "'lesser of two evils" was "disgusting." I was merely trying to defend my choice of words by re-centering our notion of what 'disgusting' should mean.

[Sirveri]

13. No matter who wins in 2012, we'll probably lose.

How much, who can say.

[RoccoR5955]

29. That, my friend is...

...A huge steaming load of bovine fecal matter. The public is so pissed off, due to the RepubliCONs, that I don't see many of them holding their seats, and no new ones getting in.

[Sirveri]

32. So what?

You really think they're going to be THAT different?

[RoccoR5955]

33. Uhh, YEAH! n/t

[Patiod]

14. I had the same thought last month watching "A Christmas Carol"

Scrooge's every line is sounding less and less "monsterish" and more and more ho-hum mainstream Republican/Libertarian.

[tavalon]

15. I was listening to Mrs Robinson last night

And was reminded that the we of which you speak isn't really us down here. Sure, we lose less with Obama (hopefully). Laugh about, fight about it, but in the end you lose....

[NNN0LHI]

17. Lesson learned: People do not steal elections for honorable reasons

[DallasNE]

20. Don't Forget Citizens United

The end of Medicare as we know it, the Affordable Care Act and a host of other things just to give the top .1% another tax break. Indeed, elections do matter. Ask the people of Wisconsin, Michigan and Florida to name a few.

[greenman3610]

28. remember - There's not a dime's worth of difference between George Bush and Al Gore

[RoccoR5955]

30. You forgot the sarcasm tag

People will get angry at you.

[DissedByBush]

31. Obama at his worst is better than Bush at his best

Same for any of the pathetic lot in the Republican primaries.