I think it's time to start talking about Hitler

[TrogL]

It's time to suspend Godwin's law.

I'm 61 years old. I get to talk about Hitler. I was born in 1955, 10 years after Hitler died. 5 years later, when I was capable of understanding such things, memories were still fresh.

My father did not talk his way past a medical deferment (asthma) until it was too late to see action, but he did mention missing work the day the munitions factory blew up, killing several of his friends.

Our maid was Austrian and still emotionally shattered over losing friends and family in the war and being shunned for being on "the wrong side".

I visited Europe in the 70s and got to see the destruction first hand even years later. Statues in downtown London still had bullet holes. Cologne Cathedral was still in ruins. I saw The Wall.

It's happening again.

Having seen what I've seen, do you have any idea how terrified I am?

An authoritarian leader who keeps a copy of Hitler's speeches in his bedside table, quoting from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, is encouraging his authoritarian, "facts don't matter" followers to challenge people at voting stations. Some have already said they're coming armed.

At his Nuremberg-style rallies, where he screams incoherent nonsense (remind you of anybody?), his followers beat people they feel (sorry, no thinking allowed) don't belong, like a scene right out of Pink Floyd's The Wall.

He has already declared the election fraudulent and told his followers to not accept the results and take matters into their own hands. That, my friends, is called a Putsch. Is there a beer hall handy?

Trump has no boundaries. When, not "if", when he gets in to power, four years is not going to be enough. The Presidency will be too restraining, the Constitution too constraining so he will simply declare himself Leader and Chancellor, or in German Führer und Reichskanzle. Then, with the economy crashing around him, he will look for resources and land. Hitler looked to the Caspian Sea. Trump will have his Wall to the South, but for resources will look North.

Canada joined the Allied effort to fight Hitler early. You Yanks were late to the parade. Canada made some very, very good friends back then who still remember. I used to work in a Government office surrounded by enormous beds of beautiful tulips. Always tulips. You see, the Dutch would send a shipment every year in gratitude for Canada's role in the liberation of Holland. The Brits were rather pleased with us, as were the French (may I remind you they have nukes even if we don't?) and a whole lot of other countries with standing armies who are watching in horror as America falls victim to an authoritarian, sociopathic narcissist.

We remember Hitler. We were there. We will be ready.

[titaniumsalute]

1. Nice OP. Just my thoughts on this.

1. I don't think he can win this national election. If he were younger and more healthy I think I'd be more fearful. He's 70 years old at this point and doesn't look well. Would he be able to do all of this again in 4 years? Who knows.

2. His business has taken a MAJOR revenue and brand image "hit." His kids, who basically run the empire, have stated they are very concerned. His AC Casino just folded (pun intended.) His Hotels are having extreme difficulty with room rezzies. I'm sure a lot of people won't even bother interviewing at them for open positions. Will he want to further damage his business brand with another run? I'm not sure his kids would even allow him to do it.

3. I think when he loses he goes on major speaking tours making millions, his family starts their own right-wing cable news/talk station with Roger Ailes and Breitbart, and he sells lots of books/audio books/coffee mugs/T-shirts, etc.

[Squinch]

4. There are few perfect things in this world, but you are a perfect idiot and a perfect asshole.

[Squinch]

9. Is that your Christianity you are expressing right there? Because I think you aren't understanding

how Christianity works, son.

[pinboy3niner]

12. Gone now. Another white Christian horribly persecuted.

[edbermac]

25. What did they say?

Did jury duty a few hours ago, some clown crying that blacks were the real racists, we need the civilizing influence of the white man, blah blah blah.

Skinner ought to bring back the Hate Mailbag, just love to see the racist trolls frothing at the mouth in impotent rage.

[47of74]

30. I second that motion.

[Ligyron]

32. I third it.

What a great idea! Why did they ever sack it?

I love to drink the tears of their impotent rage

[47of74]

46. I've asked the Admins to bring it back.

Complete with a please with whipped cream and strawberries on top.

[edbermac]

52. Thanks I was going to post that in ATA.

[47of74]

57. I'd say go ahead and do it too.

Wouldn't hurt to have more than one person bringing the motion.

[lonestarnot]

45. Damn! I missed it.

[47of74]

59. Yeah I know.

I always seem to miss the fun stuff.

Of course trolls never learn...

[TrogL]

63. Just occurred to me

Why would a Freeper be up at 430 am?

I'm an old man. I don't sleep much.

[shenmue]

16. Hi. Bye.

Enjoy your stay!

[Cha]

18. Wow.. a brainwashed trump idiot comes out of the

woodwork.

See he swallowed trump's Lies about "stealing the election".. hook line and sinker.

trump's is a menace to democracy.

[lillypaddle]

5. Enjoy your brief stay

asshole.

[Squinch]

7. For any who are curious after MIRT cleans up, post 2 is a neo-nazi idiot whose feelings have

been hurt because white Christians have been "bullied."

[Mc Mike]

11. That's called a 'rahowahhhh!'

[Squinch]

19. I had to look it up. That special combination of racism and the inability to understand that

they aren't as special as mommy told them they were.

[Mc Mike]

21. Where'd you look?

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My definition of it is, when some nazi repug starts out yelling "RaHoWa!" as a battle cry, then midway through commences to blubber about how unfair and mean the rest of the world is being to them. That's where the "Wahhhh!' part comes in.

[Squinch]

23. I had to look up rahowa. Never heard of it before. But yes, the wahhhh addition seems appropriate.

[Mc Mike]

26. Message auto removed

really likes this o.p.

[Squinch]

28. Message auto removed must be a very high count poster by now.

Interesting that they are watching closely enough to get in as soon as OPs are posted. You would think, with that much attention, they would be able to learn something.

[Mc Mike]

31. The hugest. The winningest post count.

They're like their hero, orange hitler.

[m-lekktor]

36. It's an abbreviation for RAcial HOly WAr.

I learned about it in the 90's after Oklahoma City Bombing and I was looking militia etc. stuff up. A neo nazi skinhead music distributer now defunct (I think) out of Detroit was named RAHOWA.

[mountain grammy]

39. No kidding?

Wow, between this and Pepe, I can't keep up with these nuts.

[Mc Mike]

40. Yeah, some of their geeks have been pushing that garbagio for quite a while.

They're not real swift in their "inventing catchy phraseology" skills. And they're not real swift, period.

Things that they find to be "witty" or "stirring", normal people find stupid or confusing.

That's why propagandic "art" always sucks. The "artists" are people who lack any of the human motivators that makes true art great and deeply appealing. Rightie propagandists have no humor, no intelligence, no human warmth, no deep values or lofty goals, no kindness or good interpersonal relationships, no positive emotions of any kind, no knowledge of history or science or how the world works or is today. Then they try to sum up their viewpoints with some great and catchy phrase, rallying cry, battlecry, song, artistic statement, artistic expression. And it just winds up being stupid and suck-y. They don't have any of the traits that engender the sensibilities needed to create and relay appealing messages.

Here's a helpful hint to the nazi dimwits: when your entire movement can only actually be defended, in debate, by saying "Shut up or I'll pound you. I have a gun.", that movement is bound to get its clock cleaned by all actual freedom loving Americans.

You losers don't have your 10%. So there.

[Nay]

55. Wow. I learn something every day. Some of this shit I wish I didn't learn.

[TrogL]

13. I think I've made my point. THAT was scary

I figured it would take an hour or so. I didn't even have time to refresh my viewer.

[Squinch]

14. It was a perfect illustration of your point. I totally agree with your OP.

I know he won't win the election, but this tv station that is being floated to broadcast his hate and ignorance makes me sick.

[Cha]

20. There was another trump troll right below

threatening to destroy us.

the stupid last line was "make America Great again".. they're too dumb to know how great America is thanks to President Obama.. who got it into really good shape after bush/cheney tried to ruin it.

Said this was war and we are in the minority.. Uh no.

[Squinch]

24. Math doesn't seem to be their strong suit. It's actually quite sad. Can you imagine looking at the

world from inside such a thin tube?

There is a lot of joy in diversity. It adds so much beauty and interest and fun to life. Its their own fault, but these idiots go through their whole lives without experiencing any of it.

And yes, by just about every objective numerical measure, we are doing better than we have been in a long, long time.

[Turbineguy]

34. What if it turned out

that Trump was playing the most colossal practical joke in the history of the World?

[GoneOffShore]

38. From all the analysis of his personality, I think that's highly unlikely.

He's too much of a narcissist to do that.

Plus, he has no sense of humor.

[In_The_Wind]

8. Wow!

[Madam45for2923]

10. Trump is lying to you Big league! You racism blinds you!

[Madam45for2923]

3. America, Democracy, our constitution, our values: Are All on the ballot this year!

[DetlefK]

27. This election is veeeeeeeery similar to Hitler's rise to power:

- government paralyzed by political infighting
- government perceived as useless and the "enemy"
- desire for radical change
- promise to restore the country back to a golden age
- hints that the career-politicians have betrayed and backstabbed them ("Dolchstosslegende&quot
- conspiracy-theories how Big Money ("Weltjudentum" -> HRC+Wall Street) is out to destroy the country
- "Lügenpresse" - the concept that the mainstream-media spreads lies
- an aura of violence, brawls at rallies, open speculation about killing your opponents
- blaming foreigners and "others" for your problems: Jews/Communists -> Muslims/Immigrants
- Lie so big that nobody believes you'd be willing to lie about THAT. Lie so fast that it becomes impossible to fact-check you.
- racism
- fascism: radical and violent transformation of society and destruction of accepted norms -> Trump calls for assassinations and revolution. Promises not to accept result of election. Breaks every rule, tradition and decorum that US-politicians live by.




If Trump would run in the same political climate as Hitler, if the US had just embarassingly lost a HUGE war and if the US were just going through a "once-in-a-century" economic crisis, then Trump would win the 2016-election hands down.

If Trump had run in 2008, he might have won.

[Divine Discontent]

64. good points! and yes, he probably had a better shot in 2008 when Dubya destroyed the economy

[roamer65]

29. Fascism didn't die after WW2, it just went on hiatus.

As one of the founding fathers said, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

[Sunlei]

33. Everything will turn out ok, Trump will lose huge. Who I'm disappointed in are Republicans.

Republicans did nothing for almost a decade except obstruct Americas progress. Some outright benefited personally by taking taxpayer money away from Americans. Republicans snapped up foreclosure real estate like vultures.

Out of a stage full of 16 republicans running for President, they all QUIT, not one of them fought against their bagger-king. Selfish and weak.

[TrogL]

35. Here's the scene from Pink Floyd's "The Wall" I was talking about

[dalton99]

37. The Nazi echoes in Trump's tweets:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-boot-trump-reaction-to-orange-county-nc-firebombing--20161017-snap-story.html

[TrogL]

41. He went there

I deliberately didn't bring up comparing the Republican campaign office fire to the Reichstat fire because that's too far down the rabbit hole even for me. And I don't think we've heard the full story.

He also brought up "stab in the back". I've been waiting for corroborative evidence.

[Mc Mike]

42. dRump, tweets, & nazi echoes:

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http://forward.com/news/341780/heres-how-neo-nazis-identify-jews-on-twitter/



" “Is it just me or is much of this Trump speech Jew-baiting?” said Julia Ioffe, who suffered a barrage of anti-Semitic abuse after writing a critical article about Trump’s wife Melania – attacks Trump refused to repudiate.

Is it just me or is much of this Trump speech Jew-baiting?

— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) October 13, 2016 "
http://www.jta.org/2016/10/14/news-opinion/politics/donald-trumps-conspiracy-theories-stir-uneasy-echoes

[world wide wally]

43. The OP is scarey right and it's time we get everyone to grasp the fact that Republicans and

Teabaggers set up the country to fall victim to a fascist type candidate. They are the actual enemies of America.

On the night of Obamas Inauguration Mitch McConnell, Newt Gingrich, and numerous GOP leaders met to "conspire" to obstruct Obama in order to make him a one term President. As you know, they did not succeed at that, but they provided plenty of ammunition against him about being ineffective. The few short months when the Dems held the Senate and the House is often pointed to as a huge failure to pass a lot of progressive legislation, but they don't mention how the filibuster was used a record number of times during this period
.
The only monkey wrench thrown into the works was that a candidate of "their" choosing (Jeb!) was supposed to get the nomination. Along comes the Hitler wannabe, Trump, and pitches his tent on the plot they worked so hard to prepare. The GOP is totally responsible for this and most of them are far too cowardly to actively oppose the fascist. We must give credit where it is due, and hope (work) for the best.

Eliminating Trump would be a healthy start, but the GOP has to be reduced to rubble itself.

[OnDoutside]

62. 100% correct, which is what I love what they are doing in AZ, TX etc. Keep the b'stards on the back

foot ... best form of defence is attack.

[njcpa1978]

44. Stolperstein - Look it up

I have traveled through parts of Germany and you will see a Stolperstein or stumbling blocks on various streets throughout the cities. Everyday reminders of the horrors done to the German Jews. You don't see them at first, but once you know about them, they are everywhere.

Don't think the Germans are not reminded every day about their history. One which should not be repeated, especially here.

Are you listening Donald?

[47of74]

47. I did not know about them.

Excellent way to remember the victims of a toxic, all consuming hatred.

Agent Orange should listen, but you know he won't.

[TrogL]

49. Now you've got me crying

This is a wonderful project.

While in Europe and The British Isles I've often visited War Memorials

My favourite is the one at Sterling Castle.

[awoke_in_2003]

60. Thank you

With the survivors dying out, this is imortant. Our country is too willing to bury its past.

[TrogL]

48. I remembered something else

My best friend's father lived in Holland during the Occupation. One day the Allied forces dropped leaflets and he picked up some and put them in his book bag. He walked right through a German checkpoint with them still in his bag. If he'd been caught, I wouldn't have had a friend.

http://www.psywar.org/product_1939EH273.php

[dgibby]

50. I was born in '45,

last year of the Greatest Generation. I cut my teeth on the stories my dad, brother, cousins, and uncles told about their service, watched film shorts about the war during Sat. matinees at the local theater, and listened as my mother and her friends told about their fears, war time rationing, blackouts, air raid drills, etc. In fact, my parents met at the local USO!

The one thing that is burned into my memory forever is the film clips of Jews being rescued from the concentration camps, and I grew up asking myself how anyone could vote for/follow/admire Hitler. Unfortunately, I now know, as I'm seeing a large segment of the USA following those "Good Germans" down the rabbit hole. It makes my blood run cold!

Trump and his followers will not "go gently into that good night". They may go underground, much like the John Birchers did (only to emerge later as the modern day Tea Party), but emerge they will. In the meantime, they will leave death and destruction in their wake. I have never feared for this country like I do right now.

I have no doubt that there will be chaos after the election, no matter who wins. If, God forbid, Trump wins, it will give his rabid, hateful, angry followers the green light to wage war against anyone not them. If Hillary wins, they will not be able to contain their anger. Buckle up, we're in for a very rough ride!

[enid602]

51. tar sands

Well, at least a 'Hitler-like' putsch in the US will take away some of the world's attention from tar sands. Make Canadians look like the 'good guys' again.

[catbyte]

53. I'm right with you. I went to Moscow, Leningrad, & Kiev in 1976. Memories were still

very fresh. I remember seeing bullet holes in buildings in Leningrad, with a little brass plaque next to it bearing the name of the person(s) the bullet killed. I saw bombed out churches in Kiev. I saw Babi Yar. I stood at the top of the ravine and looked down on the spot where 100,000 men, women, and children were murdered. The guides were all still talking about "The Great Patriotic War." My dad served in the Pacific, Marine Raider, 1st Marine Division, first wave at Guadalcanal. My dad's first cousin bombed Rommel's troops in North Africa, then helped push Mussolini's troops back into Italy. I too was born in 1955, and the memories were still fresh. My dad was still suffering from periodic bouts of malaria he contracted in some South Pacific hell hole.

All anybody has to do is watch Episode 1 of the awesome 1973 series, "The World at War" (available on YouTube) to see the terrifying parallels of today's Trumpites & Hitler's Brown Shirts. I see today's Republican cowards "going along" with Trump even though "he's a fool, a charlatan, a demagogue." That's just what the ruling class said about Hitler. Hitler ginned up fear and created "us vs. them", just like Trump is doing now. There are waaaay too many parallels. TrogL is right--folks our age and older remember.

If we don't stop this NOW, we are in big trouble.

[pampango]

54. All true. AND even if he fails this time around he is laying the foundation for the next 'Trump'

who will be younger and 'kinder and gentler'. Trump's bombast and macho man act has done much to solidify and build up a base that supports conservative authoritarians.

This happened in France where the fascist Jean Marie Le Pen foisted his 'Holocaust-denying' fascism on France. His success was real but limited in terms of electoral support. Then he was succeeded as party leader of the National Front by his daughter, Marine. She has been very effective at building the movement up by being more 'reasonable' ('kinder and gentler'), avoiding using alarmingly fascist rhetoric while getting the same message across, etc.

The French National Front has grown under Marine's leadership and is becoming a serious threat in national elections. I think the 'next Trump' will have the opportunity to do the same. Of course, that may or may not work depending on who this is and whether Americans follow him or her like the French have done.

[True_Blue]

56. It absolutely is!

It would be the 4th Reich if Trump got in. He'll either anoint himself as king or end term limits and allow only Saddam-like elections where you either vote him or to jail. It's looking more and more like he's planning to start a coupe after the election, but President Obama will shut him down real quick. We just have to get out and vote and make sure Hillary wins.

[struggle4progress]

58. What's needed is a clear and accurate analysis of today's conditions

[Buckeye_Democrat]

61. There's definite similarities.

Beyond the hate, Hitler can mostly attribute his dictatorial powers to the elimination of freedoms of the press and speech. Trump has shown a similar disrespect to opposing media coverage.

I also don't think it's a coincidence that the GOP nominated Trump, given their more militaristic attitudes. My brother worked with a very old physicist from Germany who observed the rise of Hitler, and he insisted that it was Germany's long tradition of militarism that allowed the Nazis to achieve any success. He told my brother it would happen in the USA someday unless more Americans didn't embrace it so much.

[arely staircase]

65. Yeah I could totally see him invading Canada

Seriously