If you were in a "safe" state like CA or NY...

[bagelsforbreakfast]

And Jill Stein came out STRONGLY for basic income, would you vote for her? (Obviously in states still up for grabs you wouldn't)

(disclosure - I'm not a Jill Stein supporter or even know much about her but I am STRONG for Guy Standing and basic income).

[Jim Dandy]

1. I am in CA and those pictures of Jill

... sucking up to Vladimir Putin in Moscow put her on my permanent shit list. I would never vote for her.

[ailsagirl]

16. NEVER (California)

[BlueCaliDem]

53. +1000 She can go pound sand after her attacks of Democrats while leaving Repubs untouched! eom

[Silver Gaia]

2. NO. NEVER.

from CA

[NightWatcher]

3. If you're in a "safe" state still vote for Hillary and add to trump's epic beat down.

Screw these quadrennial attention hogs.

[SeattleVet]

73. ^^^ THIS!!! ^^^

He needs to be the BIGGEST loser in history. He needs to have more votes against him than anyone in history.

[tinrobot]

4. Why encourage her? NO.

[JI7]

5. jill stein is an anti science fucKing idiot who i would not vote for even class president

[beachbum bob]

6. Never Stein...never Johnson..

Ever

[milestogo]

7. I'm not sure I would vote for her even if she were a Democrat.

She is a lousy candidate.

[LisaL]

8. No.

[yewberry]

9. Nope. I'm in WA.

I'm not a fan of splitting tickets. In reality, a race is between two people, and spoiler candidates lead to victories like Bush's and Paul LePage's. Fuck that.

[karynnj]

11. No because she is terrible on many issues -- and VT is probably the safest state in the union! nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

12. ABSOLUTELY NOT. n/t

[gollygee]

13. I want Trump to be very thoroughly beat

I want it to be a huge victory to send a strong message to the GOP. The more votes for Clinton, the better. (And yes I voted for Bernie in the primary.)

[Adrahil]

14. Nope. NT

[onecaliberal]

15. I'm in California, and NO. She's an anti vaccine idiot for starters

She has no coherent plans and is NOT fit for office. Why do people think idiots should run the country all of a sudden?

[Initech]

17. Did you see John Oliver this week? I wouldn't vote for Jill Stein on *ANY* ticket!

[sarae]

84. hah

I wouldn't vote for her based on her music alone (did you hear it?!), let alone her crackpot ideas.

[Initech]

86. Yeah I was just like "Wow........................."

I can't believe people I know would throw away their vote for her vs. Hillary.

[Zynx]

18. Nope. Never.

[4lbs]

19. She has no realistic, detailed plans to do a damned thing and she has been doing nothing but

bashing Hillary Clinton for almost this entire year.

So... uh,

[Warren DeMontague]

20. No. The idea that the Greens are preferable in any way is a stupid fallacy, anyway.

They're not.

People who want to effect real progressive change in CA have the opportunity to, above and beyond supporting Democrats, by voting to legalize marijuana this year.

[X_Digger]

21. I will never vote for an anti-vaxxer. n/t

[Retrograde]

22. NFW

I do not vote for candidates that I do not think would do a decent job in the office for which they are running, whether I like the Democratic party's candidate or not.

I would like to see a viable Green candidate, especially for local or state offices, but Stein is not IMHO a serious choice.

[dflprincess]

23. I am in a safe state

and the answer is no. I'm not taking any chances.

[Dawson Leery]

24. NO!

She is a Putin puppet and says that Trump is better than Hillary.

[Iggo]

25. Not a fucking chance.

[dhol82]

26. I'm in NY

Nope! No way, no how.

[kimbutgar]

27. No, she is a paid third party professional spoiler

Why didn't she run for the house or senate all these years?

[Not Reveen]

28. I would.

Not really. I'm just a contrarian. I couldn't resist.

[still_one]

30. Not just no, but HELL NO. Stein has NO CREDIBILITY. She would risk the SC for her

own selfish ego.

She will soon be forgotten in the dustbin of history

[upaloopa]

32. I am in CA and would not vote for her because she has no chance of

ever bringing about issues she is for.

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. Hell no! (BTW - Basic income can only be made a reality with legislation from Congress)

She hasn't the judgment, experience, or temperament. She would be better than Trump or Johnson, but that is all I will say about her.
As I noted in the title, if you are interested in Basic Income, you need to elect a Congress that would discuss it. The President could try to get a law passed, but only Congress can do that job.

Do your Congressman and Senators support basic income? If they don't, that is where you need to put your efforts.

[joshcryer]

34. Basic income is inevitable, and Obama recently mentioned it.

I see no reason an ant-vaxer is better on this issue than Democrats.

[democrattotheend]

85. Obama supports basic income?

I wasn't aware of that. To be honest I don't know that much about the idea, but from what I know it doesn't seem like something he would support, at least not publicly.

[joshcryer]

87. No he said it must be addressed.

The Democrats tend to follow trends and it's unlikely Jill Stein would support automation.

[Chathamization]

35. No. Why would I? We have politicians here actually working on basic income; I've voted for them

What's the point of voting for Stein? If you want to vote for someone who's positions you agree with 100% and don't care about political pragmatism at all, the best option would be to write yourself in. Yeah, it's a wasted vote, but if you're wasting your vote anyway might as well give it to yourself.

Personally, I'm going to be voting for people who are actually changing things and not just running vanity campaigns. Like I said, I've been supporting politicians who are actually working on basic income. I have no interest in supporting people who talk about it and do absolutely nothing to further it (or even do things that would make it more difficult, which Stein does when she says Trump and Clinton are equally bad).

[ismnotwasm]

36. Hell no.

[Laffy Kat]

37. If I ever vote for a third party candidate, it would be the SWP.

The Green Party really puts up some crazies, including Stein.

On edit: Or an IWW candidate.

[bravenak]

38. HELL the FUCK NOOOOOOO

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

39. Why would that override

everything else she's wrong about?

Plus, merely coming out strongly for something (just look at such things on the part of candidates for every office out there) means very little.

Perhaps the most essential thing to keep in mind if you're ever tempted to vote third party, is that every single member of Congress is a Republican, a Democrat, or an Independent who caucuses with the Democrats. Had Bernie Sanders become the nominee and then were to be elected, he'd have had all of the years behind him when he was in Congress and would probably have been quite effective.

Hillary Clinton has long been a Democrat herself and did serve a term and a bit more as a Senator. She knows how law-making works.

Jill Stein and Gary Johnson do not have anyone in their respective political parties in Congress. If Libertarians or Greens or any other party out there were really serious about someday electing a President, they'd go about having people run for all of the lower level offices out there, and over time would have a viable political presence. Instead, they run for President with little notion of what they'd really have to do if they somehow attained that office.

If you think a basic income is a good thing, then advocate for it through your own Senators and Representative. Maybe start some sort of lobbying effort.

[LaydeeBug]

40. No. nt

[lonestarnot]

41. Fuck no, who's Jill Stein?

[LenaBaby61]

42. Let me think about it .....

[REP]

43. CA voter - Stein is a fucking joke

[Upin]

44. Never... Anti-science nutjob...

[Dorian Gray]

45. I'm in NYC

and won't consider third party, not even to make a "statement."

The only statement I want to make is that Trump lose in the biggest landslide ever to Clinton.

[Takket]

46. Not a chance

We are voting for president and 2 members of SCOTUS. Way too much on the line to be frittering around with fruitless third party votes.

[Crabby Appleton]

47. No! nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

48. I'm in Illinois.

Wouldn't vote for either of those two for dog catcher.

[MineralMan]

50. Not a chance. Jill Stein is in no way qualified to be President.

Why would anyone even consider voting for someone with absolutely no abilities?

[Codeine]

51. No. Her predilection for woo bothers me. nt

[Historic NY]

52. Absolutely not........its all in the math

https://thepolicy.us/the-illusion-of-voting-third-party-e1de15d31312#.9qi05jqqx

[BlueCaliDem]

54. California-born here - and HELL NO. A friend of Putin is an enemy to this Californian. eom

[KK9]

55. NO, here in Mass...

Super safe and Stein's home state no less.

While I do think we need to seriously look at guaranteed basic income over the long term, it's not going to happen overnight. Not in the next four years for sure, and Jill Stein is most definitely NOT the one to get much of anything done on any front.

[Walk away]

57. Never. She isn't fit to run for any national office. nt

[fried eggs]

58. Blue states are only blue because voters do their part. It's not guaranteed or unchangeable.

If enough blue state voters get the inclination that they're in a safely blue state, guess what happens? Remember brexit?

[SharonClark]

60. Excellent point and rarely mentioned.

[Gothmog]

63. Even if you are in a blue state, do not throw your vote away

Clinton will need a large margin of victory to shut Trump up after the election. A vote for Stein or Johnson is a vote for Trump

[TXCritter]

59. Is this a trick question?

To get people kicked off of DU?

[Mz Pip]

61. No n/t

[Gothmog]

62. A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for trump

[Wounded Bear]

64. I'm in a "safe" state...WA...and no, I won't vote for Stein....nt

[LuvLoogie]

65. Sorry. You're closer to basic income with Hillary

than you are with Jill Stein. Besides, jobs and a strong safety net should be the focus. Better to target that money to infrastructure and education. You would never get a basic income in this country without a hit on the safety net. It would be a voucher or government debit card. Not wages, not cash. What if people blow it all? And who would give them credit if they have no income beyond basic?

[Blecht]

66. Do some research before you post

It will save you some embarrassment. Jill Stein is a buffoon.

[TXCritter]

67. I admit I'm torn

I come from the left wing of the Dem party and I have supported the Greens in the past when I lived in a liberal safe state. I want the Greens to succeed and the Dems to move left. Ideally, the GOP implodes the Dems become the new conservative party and the Greens become the new liberal party.

I have lived through Reagan, I have lived through Bush and, while I fear Trump's temperament, I also believe he would be a lame duck president from the onset. I've seen this in Minnesota when Jesse Ventura was elected. So, the fear argument doesn't work on me anymore. Really, it just makes me mad.

That said, Stein is no more qualified to be president than Trump. Senate? Sure. I'd vote for her for any office except president. Over the last few elections I've come to the conclusion that the POTUS, the most powerful position in the history of the world with nuclear codes available, that person needs have experience in public office at some level. That person needs to have some familiarity with the workings of Washington and, if possible, the workings of foreign powers.

As lovely a fantasy it is to send in an "outsider" to clean up Washington only one of two things will happen - that person will be a lame duck or that person will be run over by the legislature.

So, under these circumstances, no, I won't risk electing a completely unqualified person for POTUS. If Hillary were running against Cruz or Kasich I might vote Stein in a safe state but not if Carson or Fiorina were the candidate.

[ericson00]

68. nope. Green Party websites are thataway.

[roamer65]

70. MI is a safe state and I'm voting for Hillary.

The popular vote margin needs to be a blow out for Hillary.

[leftynyc]

71. HELL NO

I'd vote for either of my cats first.

[Tree-Hugger]

72. Fuck no nt

[Starry Messenger]

74. No. I'm in CA.

Even if she came out for socialism, I wouldn't, because she has absolutely no real base of support. You can't just stand on the sidelines and expect people to come when you whistle every four years.

[Hekate]

75. You appear to be advocating for a third party candidate on DU during the General Election

That is a violation of the TOS, which you signed.

That is as blunt an answer as I can give you.

[geek tragedy]

76. No. She's a damn flake who doesn't understand anything she's advocating nt

[relayerbob]

77. Not a chancew

She is even less qualified than Trump

[Jason1961]

78. Great question

If we somehow ran someone that was terrible (say our own version Donald Trump, but thankfully we have safe guards in place to prevent that from happening) but I happen to think we've got the absolute best candidate on the ticket and I think I'd have a very hard time not voting for a Democrat.

I really like Jill Stein but I like Hillary more.

If you're a Democrat you vote Democrat EVERY time, even if you're not crazy about the candidate (you'd have to be crazy not to this election).

[Lebam in LA]

79. No

[GoneOffShore]

80. Nope, no, no way, not a chance.

No fucking way.

She is a total whack-a-loon with not a clue.

[Agnosticsherbet]

81. There is no safe state until the votes are counted. GOTV

Volunteer for phone banks.
Volunteer to pick up and take them to the polls.
Know a friend or two that isn't going to vote. Hold a voting party with the price of admission an I voted sticker.

There is no safe state until the votes are counted.

[ffr]

82. Wouldn't even consider it. Hillary is the best choice anyway.

She's the one.

[democrattotheend]

83. No

Even if I supported basic income, I really don't like Jill Stein. Anyone who says there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans has zero credibility with me and doesn't get my vote.

Since I live in a solidly blue state I might consider a protest vote to send a message in certain circumstances, but there would have to be a Green (or other party) candidate I liked a lot better than Jill Stein, and the Democrat would have to be significantly to the right of Hillary for me to consider it.