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Fritz Walter

(4,373 posts)
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 09:07 AM Oct 2016

How *some* Xtians justify supporting Drumpf

Last night, I received a forwarded email from a friend in another state, outlining how Xtians should feel OK with voting for the worst-ever candidate for POTUS.

It opens with a feeble joke about a flooding victim, stranded on his rooftop, who turns away three rescue attempts -- via rowboat -- because he's waiting for "God." The punchline is the guy dies and meets his god in heaven who tells him "But I sent three rowboats to you!"

Here are some of the justifications the writer made for voting for the mangled-apricot hellbeast:

Maybe God is trying to tell us something important--that now is not the time for a "nice Christian guy" or a "gentleman" or a typical Republican powder puff. Maybe now is the time for a natural born killer, a ruthless fighter, a warrior. Because right about now we need a miracle, or America is finished.


No, the image that comes to my mind is a large predator, such as hungry alligator or perhaps even a great white shark, rescuing the hapless soul on the rooftop to fill its own belly.

The argument continues:

Or do you want another Mitt Romney, Bob Dole, John McCain, Gerald Ford or Paul Ryan? Did any of them win? Did they lead the GOP to "the promised land?" Did they change the direction of America ? No, because if you don't win, you have no say.

And with one last breath, maybe what we need to save us at the last second, is someone different. Someone you haven't ever experienced before-- because you weren't raised in rough and tumble New York where nothing good gets accomplished unless you're combative, aggressive, outrageous, on offense at all times, and maybe just a tad arrogant too.

Someone with a personality you've never seen on stage at your church. Maybe, just maybe, being a nice gentlemanly Christian would not beat Hillary and her billion dollars, and her best friends in the media who will unleash the dogs of hell upon the GOP nominee.

I guess you think God is only nice and gentlemanly. Really? Then you've missed the whole point of the Bible. When necessary, God is pretty tough. When necessary, God strikes with pain, death and destruction. When necessary, God inflicts vengeance.

Maybe you think God couldn't possibly be associated with someone like Trump. Trump is too vicious, rude and crude.


When I spent three weeks working in the hot zone in lower Manhattan 15 years ago, those of us responding to the attacks on 9/11 did manage to accomplish a lot of good work without a lot of "combative, aggressive, outrageous, offensive or arrogant behavior."

And I'll admit, it's been a few decades since I read or even cracked-open a bible, but I seem to recall all the vengeance was crammed into the old testament. The whole tone of the book changed in the new testament; you know, the Beatitudes, Sermon on the Mount, that sort of stuff. No?


Here's the conclusion:
I believe Trump is our miracle. I believe Trump is our rowboat. Except he's more like a battleship!

No one is saying Trump is perfect. No one is saying Trump is a perfect conservative. But he is a patriot. He is a warrior. He is a capitalist. He is the right man, at the right time. Yes, he's a bit rude and crude and offensive. But that may make him the perfect warrior to save America , American exceptionalism, capitalism and Judeo-Christian values. The choice should be easy for Christians.

It's Trump...or it's the end of the American dream.


"Battleship"? -- Well the abbreviation matches what we've seen over the past 15 months;
"Patriot" -- defined as someone who avoids the draft via four student deferments, and when those ran out, he got a note from his doctor about a bone-spur on his foot;
"Warrior" -- someone who insults Sen. McCain, stiffs veterans of money donated by others (until he gets caught); sacrificed nothing and no one; would start a shooting war over a perceived slight; and idolized the ex-KGB official who invaded Ukraine, is currently committing mass murder of civilians in Syria, and wants Drumpf to abolish NATO so that he can invade individual European countries with no significant resistance. Yeah, some warrior!
"A bit rude, crude and offensive" -- only to people of color, women, Muslims, LGBT citizens, immigrants, anyone who disagrees with him, and just about everybody else Drumpf defines as "losers," including the author of this bit of skreed
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I'm with Hillary on this one!
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How *some* Xtians justify supporting Drumpf (Original Post) Fritz Walter Oct 2016 OP
That is sickening and sick Emilybemily Oct 2016 #1
The local Catholics are hitching their wagons to Trump because his party is "pro life." bulloney Oct 2016 #9
I think Trump is pretty clearly "pro-trump" el_bryanto Oct 2016 #10
lol! That's one complicated pretzel the author is trying sarae Oct 2016 #2
Judeo--Christian values? world wide wally Oct 2016 #3
If they want a natural born killer, a ruthless fighter, a warrior, Lucifer is always available. nt Xipe Totec Oct 2016 #4
LOL! Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2016 #7
A vote for Trump is a vote for Armageddon Zorro Oct 2016 #5
These people are crazy Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2016 #6
what a nightmare. salin Oct 2016 #8
Cross-Humpers desperately crave to be told what to believe in. GOLGO 13 Oct 2016 #11
This OP has gone a long way towards answering the question how Xians could support Dump. Nitram Oct 2016 #12
Yes...they believe women should be submissive to their husbands maryellen99 Oct 2016 #16
One could never accuse the wing nuts of being consistent. Nitram Oct 2016 #21
Yep nt maryellen99 Oct 2016 #22
Vote for Trump or we're all going to die tonight! Ahhhhhhh!!!! Initech Oct 2016 #13
In that story about the rowboat packman Oct 2016 #14
And, it is looking as if we are going to be... 3catwoman3 Oct 2016 #17
And even the Bernie people are getting in the boat packman Oct 2016 #20
To summarize: just forget everything Jesus ever said. Trump's the sinkingfeeling Oct 2016 #15
Just another example of ego impersonating spirituality Donkees Oct 2016 #18
I have read a lot of... 3catwoman3 Oct 2016 #19
People seemed really surprised that Christians are lining up to vote Trump. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #23

Emilybemily

(204 posts)
1. That is sickening and sick
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 09:23 AM
Oct 2016

These people tie themselves into knots to defend their support for this despicable unAmerican, unChristian, bigoted, violent, immoral and criminal asshole.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
9. The local Catholics are hitching their wagons to Trump because his party is "pro life."
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 10:05 AM
Oct 2016

To anyone who believes that Trump would not terminate a pregnancy that brings an inconvenience to his life, I have some Sahara swampland to sell you.

He was actually pro-choice before this election. I have a bridge to sell to anyone who believes that Trump is really "pro-life."

But, this is how the die-hard conservatives can rationalize voting for Trump. For the past several elections, they preached and wrote LTTEs in the local newspapers stating that Bill Clinton is not fit to be POTUS because he's a womanizer and a draft dodger.

So, in 2016, these same people are voting for Trump.

They said John Kerry is not fit to be POTUS because he's a flip-flopper and he showed disrespect for our men and women in uniform disparaging the U.S. operations in SE Asia.

In 2016, these same people are voting for Trump.

In 2008, they said Obama is not qualified for POTUS due to his lack of government leadership experience.

In 2016, these same people are voting for Trump.

I've expressed this dozens of times on this site - These people would vote for Hitler/Mussolini if they were on the Republican Presidential ticket, even if the Democrats had Jesus Christ & St. Peter on their ticket.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
10. I think Trump is pretty clearly "pro-trump"
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 10:08 AM
Oct 2016

People who support him are more or less "pro-winning." It does sort of fit; they have spent so much time dehumanizing everybody who isn't them, that even a guy like Trump who should be anathema to them is preferable to losing (not that Trump will win, but . . . but they believe otherwise).

Bryant

world wide wally

(21,836 posts)
3. Judeo--Christian values?
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 09:35 AM
Oct 2016

Like "Thou shalt not lie"? (Just for starters)
Bearing false witness? Coveting thy neighbors property? Capitalism?
You get the drift. Some people just want to make up an 11th commandment that says "thou musteth be a Republican"

Xipe Totec

(44,589 posts)
4. If they want a natural born killer, a ruthless fighter, a warrior, Lucifer is always available. nt
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 09:37 AM
Oct 2016

Zorro

(18,882 posts)
5. A vote for Trump is a vote for Armageddon
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 09:37 AM
Oct 2016

That's what they want, so that's what they should run with.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
6. These people are crazy
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 09:47 AM
Oct 2016

Every so often they start thinking rationally and start doubting their choice to support Trump and that's when they make up fairy tales so they can justify continuing to support Trump. Maybe they should start listening to that small part of their brain that is rational and realistic because it is trying to save them. They ignore their own instincts and that's messed up.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
11. Cross-Humpers desperately crave to be told what to believe in.
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 10:11 AM
Oct 2016

They will jump through any required mental gymnastics (easy for them) to get them to "justify" following such a loathsome creature like TRUMP.

Their temples of hate have indoctrinated them into already accept any devil with an (R) in front of their name. Especially one that openly hates non-whites. They eat that up like a fat kid in a candy store.

Nitram

(28,066 posts)
12. This OP has gone a long way towards answering the question how Xians could support Dump.
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 10:14 AM
Oct 2016

It's the women who support Dump that I find the hardest to understand. Could there be some self-hate involved, some notion that men are actually superior to women? The Old Testament, that conservatives clearly prefer over the New, certainly seems to suggest that is the case.

maryellen99

(3,798 posts)
16. Yes...they believe women should be submissive to their husbands
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 10:31 AM
Oct 2016

Funny though how on one hand they blast Hillary for staying with Bill but on the other hand they cheer Anna Duggar for staying with Josh Duggar who is an untreated child molester.

Nitram

(28,066 posts)
21. One could never accuse the wing nuts of being consistent.
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 11:45 AM
Oct 2016

Probably one reason why they forgive Trump for lying about not saying stuff that is available on video all over the internet. That and attention spans measured in nanoseconds.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
14. In that story about the rowboat
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 10:26 AM
Oct 2016

Donald is the flood, the American people are on the roof and Hillary is the rowboat.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
20. And even the Bernie people are getting in the boat
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 11:37 AM
Oct 2016

(Sorry, the devil made me do it)

3catwoman3

(29,805 posts)
19. I have read a lot of...
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 10:50 AM
Oct 2016

...BS thinking during this campaign, but this has to be the biggest load yet,

Did the author hurt himself sticking his head so far up his ass like that? Talk about tortuous thinking. Have some beer with those pretzels -

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
23. People seemed really surprised that Christians are lining up to vote Trump.
Mon Oct 24, 2016, 12:43 PM
Oct 2016

It's not that perplexing.

The Bible was written for a Bronze Age/Iron Age audience. It is virtually useless to anyone with an even remotely modern moral compass.

Millions of people say they live "Biblically". Spoiler alert: they don't.

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