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[Jason1961]

1. Perhaps it was a different rally

[cwydro]

2. I went to the one in Charlotte.

It was very sparsely attended. The venue was practically empty.

Hillary's rally was crowded despite the fact it was held outdoors.

[LuvNewcastle]

3. The Florida panhandle is very Republican,

as is much of the surrounding area. People are telling them that Trump has an 87% chance of winning and they're all excited.

[BainsBane]

5. Crowds aren't votes

All the Trump crowds combined don't generate enough votes to win an election.

Didn't we learn any lessons about crowd size vs. votes in the primary?

[Wounded Bear]

6. It's always been that way...

In the end, you have to GOTV. Clinton's team is doing it, Trump isn't.

[RedCloud]

7. That is far from 10,000

I think 1,000 is more likely.

[lpbk2713]

8. It's a military area.

Not too surprising. And some may have been "volunteered" .

"Either you mow the grass or you go to the rally."

[mwrguy]

28. Yup, soldiers are voluntold to support drumpf

By their jackbooted superiors.

[JennyMominFL]

10. I'm going to be honest here

I live in Orlando. I get local reports on these events. I was at 3 rallys this week. I was at Obama's at UCF. It was 10,000 people plus an overflow. I went to 2 HRC events. Both were pretty last minute and at smaller venues. I was in line for the first one 2 hours early. I didn't get into the main building. I could have gone to overflow. It was full.. In this case full was a few thousand people. Right wing sites said crap like only 20 people showed up. Lies. I then went to Hillarys rally in Sanford. Again this was a smaller venue on short notice. I got in. The room was capped at 1000, just like the first HRC rally. Again there was a full overflow area, again right wing sites reported that very few people came. Again these were lies
Now for Trump. He appeared at the Central Florida Fairgrounds.. This happened on short notice It's not a cow pasture either. Local media is reporting thousands. Just google WESH or any other local orlando station. A CNN reporter remarked that attendance was low. I would guess that the fairgrounds would hold a lot more people than Hillary's venues.
So that's what it comes down too, venue size, the cap on the location and the amount of notice people had. The Obama rally held 10,000 people. It was filled to overflow. The Hillary rallies were filled to overflow but had little notice and a very low cap.
I totally believe Trump drew 10,000. This was a big venue for an event that gave people a lot of notice.
I am sceptical of the account that attendance at his rallys is low. I think it's close to Hillarys. Bigger venues are being filled. Smaller venues are also being filled. Then people are using the numbers at smaller venues to bolster the idea that the other candidate isn't drawing crowds. It's a lie on Hillary's side, and I hate to say it, but it's probably a lie going the other way too.

GOTV

[Avalux]

22. So you're stating Democrats are lying about crowd size too?

Your post doesn't hold water, sorry. Crowd size can be estimated regardless of the venue's capacity. Especially by reporters who are on the ground at the venue.

[JennyMominFL]

23. Not neccessarily

I'm saying that a *low* estimate of rally attendance doesn't necessarily mean enthusiasm is dowm. I'm simply saying that taking a glance at a venue and deciding it's a small crowd is not necessarily fair. You have to take into account venue capacity and the amount of notice for an event.. Now I know for a fact that people lied about the size of Hillary's rally in Daytona, because the asshole with the Hillary for prison van is the one actually claiming very few people were there. That is being repeated on right wing sites. In other cases people look at an image or a number to determine if attendance is down.
It looks like Trump's rally in orlando actually did have low attendance as CNN reported low numbers and local media says thousands. Thousands would have been OK at a smaller venue, but not at the OC fairgrounds. But again,this event had short notice. It's not necessarily a sign that attendance is dropping. And he probably did get 10,000 in Jacksonville.
My point is, that many things need to be taken into account when determining if attendance is down.
2500 at a venue that hold 10,000 is a possible sign of attendance going down, that needs to be weighed against the lack of notice of that event, and a rally that had 10,000 people today
2500 people at a venue that holds 1000 is also not a sign attendance is going down.
A rally of 2500 isn't necessarily a bad sign for anyone

[Maeve]

11. You know that is from January, right? eom

[emulatorloo]

21. Fascinating n/t

[Gman]

13. Never believe anything that says his rallies are smaller

He has plenty of support. Do not kid yourself.

[Maeve]

17. crowds do not equal votes, as Romney discovered

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2016/10/31/size-of-trump-rallies-big-but-often-exaggerated.html

(snip to last four paragraphs)
A prime example: One of Trump’s earliest mega-rallies was in Phoenix in July 2015. Thousands requested tickets and his campaign had to move to a bigger venue, where 4,200 people showed up, stunning Republicans and others who thought the entertainer had no chance. But within days, Trump had inflated that crowd size to 15,000.

That level of exaggeration has continued into the general election, with Trump repeatedly inflating his numbers while mocking Clinton for attracting small crowds. But Clinton’s crowds have slowly begun to resemble those of Trump, as is typical at this point in the campaign.

Former staff members for Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican nominee, have noted that the rallies Trump is holding now resemble the ones Romney held in October 2012, regularly attracting more than 10,000 people. (The Romney campaign also claimed that 30,000 people attended a rally in Ohio, although law enforcement pegged the crowd at 15,000 to 18,000.)

This month, Trump’s campaign discontinued emails to political reporters titled: “A tale of two campaigns.” The emails would compare Trump’s crowd sizes to Clinton’s, often including tweets from the candidate or photos taken by reporters. This month, as some of Clinton’s rallies became as large if not larger than Trump’s, his campaign stopped sending out the email comparison.

[20895DEM]

14. Video was published Sept 9 and MSNBC report from January 2016

You had to go back pretty far to cherry pick these.

[April Lee]

18. Trump has always drawn big crowds, but they aren't the majority

Trump has a very enthusiastic fan base that treat him like a rock star. But most people are smarter and better educated, and they don't go to rallies to get whipped up into frenzy.

[MFM008]

26. As big a maggot as he is

I don't care how "big" his crowd size is. I believe Senator Sanders rallies were twice the size of these and now he campaigns for HRC.
It only serves to remind us how gullible , sad, and pathetic any maggot voter could be.

[Skittles]

27. why are you showing something from months ago?

[Warren DeMontague]

31. NOTHING IN THIS FRIDGE IS FRESH

I'm sorry, I wasn't expecting company?

[Skittles]

35. STOP IT WARREN

YER KILLING ME

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Nah, I did that back in January

you're just hearing about it now.

[Skittles]

40. LOL

what is WITH this recycled shyte - that's BEYOND desperation

[cheapdate]

29. A FL state rep. went to the "cow pasture" rally.

He's a Democrat and a friend of mine, Bruce Antone. It wasn't a cow pasture, it was a populated area near Orlando, Pine Hills. He said the crowd was robust and very energized.

A crowd of 10,000 in Pensacola for Trump isn't impossible to imagine. There's some hardcore Republican places up there.

[Skittles]

41. so there should be plenty of pictures

yes?

[Warren DeMontague]

30. January of 2016

herp derp, mr derp herp.

[Lucinda]

32. + eleventy billion

[Skittles]

36. a YUUUUUUUUUUUGE amount

yes INDEED

[Willie Pep]

34. Trump's followers are energized, I will give him that.

Hence why GOTV is so important for us. Democrats always seem to have a harder time getting their base energized and to the polls. That is why there is the term "broken-glass Republican." Republicans typically seem to be more likely to vote and be politically active. I assume it has something to do with them being wealthier on average and having more power/flexibility in their workplaces so they are better able to find time to vote/attend rallies/be politically active.

[Skittles]

37. they're not energized

they're manipulated with racism and propaganda

[Warren DeMontague]

39. The OP took a rally from January to make a point about what is happening this week.

Not a particularly persuasive case, if you ask me.