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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:24 PM

jaysunb (11,443 posts)

Democrats can not afford to lose the Senate

I expect President Obama to win a well deserved 2nd term, but if we don't work double overtime to see to it that we maintain the Senate, his second term will see even more (if that's possible) obstruction, only this time w/ more lethal effects.

I can't imagine the problems Obama would have getting judges appointed...especially, to the almost certain to be vacant Supreme Court seat.(s) We are never going to make any progress as long as the judicial systems remains in the throes of corporate and right wing America.

Elections matter. We must really focus on the Bigger picture. We quite possibly will win back the House, but we really need to put special focus on the slim margin we now enjoy in the Senate.

Get out and get involved. Fight! for what you believe in !

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19 replies	Author	Time	Post
Democrats can not afford to lose the Senate (Original post)	jaysunb	Dec 2011	OP
My prediction as of tonight.	RandySF	Dec 2011	#1
I Don't Believe Montana, Missouri or Nebraska Will Switch to the Dark Side	mckara	Dec 2011	#2
Who will save Nebraska?	RandySF	Dec 2011	#3
a net 2 sounds about right	Motown_Johnny	Dec 2011	#4
Which combination do you see happening?	RandySF	Dec 2011	#5
kinda far out to be as specific as you have been	Motown_Johnny	Dec 2011	#6
Running the table	RandySF	Dec 2011	#10
Wisconsin will be a tough run, too. Go Baldwin!!	PeaceNikki	Dec 2011	#9
+2 for Republicans still keeps us in the slim majority.	LiberalAndProud	Dec 2011	#14
That's pretty much what analysts were saying on Tweety last night	Owlet	Dec 2011	#16
Jon Tester certainly can win, even if Obama loses.	Dawson Leery	Dec 2011	#7
Why would they lose the Senate? nt	Zorra	Dec 2011	#8
We have an important primary in Hawaii	RandySF	Dec 2011	#11
I'm backing Mazie...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#17
I don't see us winning back the House.	edhopper	Dec 2011	#12
k&r...	spanone	Dec 2011	#13
Agreed	Proud Liberal Dem	Dec 2011	#15
You either stand for something or you stand for nothing...	ellisonz	Dec 2011	#18
Rec'd	treestar	Dec 2011	#19

Response to jaysunb (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:29 PM

RandySF (35,078 posts)

1. My prediction as of tonight.

Republicans pick up North Dakota, Missouri, Montana and Nebraska. Democrats pick up Massachusetts and Nevada. Net +2 for Republicans.

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:33 PM

mckara (1,708 posts)

2. I Don't Believe Montana, Missouri or Nebraska Will Switch to the Dark Side

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:34 PM

RandySF (35,078 posts)

3. Who will save Nebraska?

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:37 PM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

4. a net 2 sounds about right

although I might argue the details

They need a net +4 to take control so we are not in terrible shape as of yet.

If this does end up a 50/50 Senate, or even a 51/49 Senate, we really do need to change the filibuster rules. If only to make it impossible to filibuster judicial appointments.

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:38 PM

RandySF (35,078 posts)

5. Which combination do you see happening?

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:44 PM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

6. kinda far out to be as specific as you have been

I think MA is a sure win for us and I am thinking maybe we only lose 3 of the 4 you had listed.

If they take all 4 it would pretty much be running the board and the (R)s have put forward such terrible candidates lately I just don't see that happening.

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:52 PM

RandySF (35,078 posts)

10. Running the table

would probably include Wisconsin, Virginia and Hawaii. I don't see that happening.

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:51 PM

PeaceNikki (27,985 posts)

9. Wisconsin will be a tough run, too. Go Baldwin!!

Rough days here still in this state politically.

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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:55 AM

LiberalAndProud (12,799 posts)

14. +2 for Republicans still keeps us in the slim majority.

There is no arguing North Dakota or Nebraska, as we don't seem to have Dems on the ballot in either of those states. I think Montana will be close but we might be able hold that seat, and/or the same goes for Missouri, IMO.

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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:30 AM

Owlet (1,248 posts)

16. That's pretty much what analysts were saying on Tweety last night

Made sense when I heard it then. As usual, I can't remember the arguments that led to the conclusion. As far as Nebraska goes, Nelson wasn't much of a Dem to begin with, but the (D) after his name did matter in the overall count for majority. I dunno: I just have a really bad feeling about the Senate and House races in general. Two (or four) more years of gridlock and it's pretty much 'game over' for this country.

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:45 PM

Dawson Leery (17,916 posts)

7. Jon Tester certainly can win, even if Obama loses.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2011/03/why_jon_tester_can_survive_an.php

North Dakota and Nebraska seem to be the only two losses right now.

The teakooks have played a signifigant role in shifting the advantage back to the Democrats in swing states.
The Democrats have improved their positions in Michigan, Ohio, and Missouri.
In addition to pick ups in MA/NV, Arizona is going to have a competetive race. Lugar is in trouble in Indiana and the Democrats have fielded a former Governor to run.

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:48 PM

Zorra (27,670 posts)

8. Why would they lose the Senate? nt

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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:56 PM

RandySF (35,078 posts)

11. We have an important primary in Hawaii

Progressive Mazie Hirono and DINO Ed Case are facing off in a rematch (they face each other in a House primary). Ed Case is the worst kind of "Democrat" who acts like a Republican in a liberal state. If I remember correctly, he supported Bush's war in Iraq. We don't need him to win this race in November while Hawaii and America are better off without him.

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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:34 AM

ellisonz (27,186 posts)

17. I'm backing Mazie...

I know of at least 2 other Hawaii DUers who are for Mazie. Ed Case is my step-mothers second cousin too; we think he has the Romney syndrome - keeps running in races he can't win.

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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:30 AM

edhopper (25,676 posts)

12. I don't see us winning back the House.

Too many Repuke State Gov.s have jeremandered it away.
The Senate is a possible loss. As is the Presidency.

"No one ever went broke...."

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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:46 AM

spanone (123,789 posts)

13. k&r...

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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 12:56 AM

Proud Liberal Dem (20,395 posts)

15. Agreed

We need to not only win (keep) the Senate but also (somehow) make it politically toxic for the Republicans (or anybody else) to keep up with this radical obstructionism that makes it impossible for President Obama to appoint nominees to fill cabinet positions and federal courts (particularly when the only reason the Republicans are objecting to most of the nominees is simply because it's OBAMA who is doing the appointing), grinds normal Senate business to a halt, and prevents the Senate from being able to have an up-or-down majority vote on, well, anything.

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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:35 AM

ellisonz (27,186 posts)

18. You either stand for something or you stand for nothing...

Stand for the Democratic Party!

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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 06:45 AM

treestar (77,162 posts)

19. Rec'd

Congress matters just as much. It's an equal branch.

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