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malaise

(268,930 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:26 AM Nov 2016

Guardian: Hillary Clinton urged to call for election vote recount in battleground states

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/hillary-clinton-election-vote-recount-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin
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A growing number of academics and activists are calling for US authorities to fully audit or recount the 2016 presidential election vote in key battleground states, in case the results could have been skewed by foreign hackers.

The loose coalition, which is urging Hillary Clinton’s campaign to join its fight, is preparing to deliver a report detailing its concerns to congressional committee chairs and federal authorities early next week, according to two people involved.


The document, which is currently 18 pages long, focuses on concerns about the results in the states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

“I’m interested in verifying the vote,” said Dr Barbara Simons, an adviser to the US election assistance commission and expert on electronic voting. “We need to have post-election ballot audits.” Simons is understood to have contributed analysis to the effort but declined to characterise the precise nature of her involvement.

A second group of analysts, led by the National Voting Rights Institute founder John Bonifaz and Professor Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan’s center for computer security and society, is also taking part in the push for a review, and has been in contact with Simons. Bonifaz declined to speak on the record.
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Meanwhile the ReTHUG governor who lost by more than 8.,000 votes in North Carolina refuses to concede - Dems better challenge these results
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Guardian: Hillary Clinton urged to call for election vote recount in battleground states (Original Post) malaise Nov 2016 OP
One deadline today! She needs to try to again put herself on the sacrificial block. She's done it lonestarnot Nov 2016 #1
Call for a recount NOW n//t malaise Nov 2016 #2
Call to whom? lonestarnot Nov 2016 #4
Add me to the growing throng: recount and audit Achilleaze Nov 2016 #3
Ditto ananda Nov 2016 #12
Recount! DK504 Nov 2016 #19
Hillary, Whatever turmoil would be created by a recount skip fox Nov 2016 #5
Plus 1 Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #10
K&R... spanone Nov 2016 #6
And Should There Be A Recount.... global1 Nov 2016 #7
We are unleashing something we do regret SHRED Nov 2016 #16
Don't care lark Nov 2016 #20
How do you audit voting machines that leave NO paper trial, nothing, zip, nada? Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #8
I wish it would happen, but have my doubts. MoonRiver Nov 2016 #9
Yep I remember the plane crash in 2004 malaise Nov 2016 #11
And how about the Mel Carnahan and Paul Wellstone plane crashes. MoonRiver Nov 2016 #13
Too many cover-ups malaise Nov 2016 #14
I hope, malaise. MoonRiver Nov 2016 #15
please hillary. step forward and demand a recount and verification. don't let these questions go liberalla Nov 2016 #17
HERE IS THE NYMag ARTICLE yesterday: Computer specialists call w/Hillary's campaign Chair KatyBR Nov 2016 #18
U.S. Intelligence officials also said Russia targetted state and local election systems KatyBR Nov 2016 #21
 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
1. One deadline today! She needs to try to again put herself on the sacrificial block. She's done it
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:31 AM
Nov 2016

all her life. She knows how to do it!

ananda

(28,858 posts)
12. Ditto
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:32 AM
Nov 2016

This is the elephant in the room, and it's starting to be seen at last.

If votes were actually counted correctly, Clinton would win.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
19. Recount!
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:04 PM
Nov 2016

Have already sent my signature to the DOJ demanding a recount. How is it the AG has not demanded one considering the Russian hacking, the email BS, the Comey manipulation and etc. Trump only won by 1% in the 3 major states, how weird is that?

Demand a recount.

skip fox

(19,356 posts)
5. Hillary, Whatever turmoil would be created by a recount
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:54 AM
Nov 2016

would be far better than the turmoil the a Trump presidency will create. A Trump presidency could well lead to the extinction of the species due to climate change (we'll have crossed the line before Trump is out of office) or nuclear posturing.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
10. Plus 1
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:19 AM
Nov 2016

I hope they also confirm that Russia hacked our elections. I confess I would take great happiness in throwing it in the faces of the hard right who keep launching the meme that progressives are akin to communist. Oh, how we will laugh when they realize that Russians have determined that Republicans are useful idiots.

global1

(25,241 posts)
7. And Should There Be A Recount....
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:58 AM
Nov 2016

and it comes out favorable to Hillary - do you really think that this election can be turned around?

It's too late. If there should have been a call to contest this election it should have come the night of the election and Hillary shouldn't have conceded.

We're deluding ourselves to think that at this late stage in the game that this election would be overturned.

We're talking a major revolt if that would happen. We'd be entering unthreaded waters here and we'd be unleashing something we might regret.

lark

(23,091 posts)
20. Don't care
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:06 PM
Nov 2016

Anything is better than fascist government via the orange one. Do you think for one nano-second Repugs wouldn't do this if the tables were turned? They'd be rioting in the street right now, absolutely going batshit crazy. This election was flat stolen by the Russians and FBI.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
8. How do you audit voting machines that leave NO paper trial, nothing, zip, nada?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:00 AM
Nov 2016

If the software and/or hardware was hacked, then it would be unhacked (is that a word?) after the theft. The actors involved would never be so sloppy to not just cover, but literally make any and all their tracks disappear.

I have never felt so powerless and fearful for the future of American democracy as I do at this moment in time.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
9. I wish it would happen, but have my doubts.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:00 AM
Nov 2016

In Election Theft, 2000, the Congressional Black Caucus tried to stand up to our traitorous SCOTUS, and NOT ONE DEMOCRAT FROM THE SENATE stood with them. That was all we needed to challenge the election. After that fiasco, I lost hope that Democrats would protect us from election theft. Sorry, but this is nothing new. Also happened in 2004. Obama was apparently so popular a candidate that Repugs couldn't steal it in 2008 and 2016.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
13. And how about the Mel Carnahan and Paul Wellstone plane crashes.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:40 AM
Nov 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Carnahan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wellstone

We've been deep into this shit for a long time. Maybe longer than any of us really know.

liberalla

(9,238 posts)
17. please hillary. step forward and demand a recount and verification. don't let these questions go
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:30 PM
Nov 2016

unanswered. we need to KNOW THE TRUTH.

KatyBR

(183 posts)
18. HERE IS THE NYMag ARTICLE yesterday: Computer specialists call w/Hillary's campaign Chair
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:38 PM
Nov 2016
Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html

Note: Our U.S. Intelligence officials also told 25 states that "a Russian Company" was targetting 25 state and local elections systems. See here:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/07/russia-s-senior-most-officials-ordered-dnc-hack.html

Officials also said they had detected Russian attempts to target state and local-level elections systems.
“We also worked as quickly as possible to release as much information as possible in order to provide state and local officials sufficient time to fortify their infrastructure,” the official said. The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI have put state elections officials on notice that hackers have been trying to access voter registration files and could cause havoc on Election Day. So far, 25 states have asked the department to help scan their computer networks for security weaknesses.

Notably, the statement didn’t blame the Russian government for targeting state elections systems, but it did say the activity had been traced to servers owned by a “Russian company.”

KatyBR

(183 posts)
21. U.S. Intelligence officials also said Russia targetted state and local election systems
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:27 PM
Nov 2016

Lost in the DNC Hack news was that our U.S. Intelligence officials also told 25 states that "a Russian Company" was targetting 25 state and local elections systems. See here:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/07/russia-s-senior-most-officials-ordered-dnc-hack.html

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