Maybe Hillary Clinton should have made more promises she couldn't keep, like Trump.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

She should have told everybody who lost their steel, coal, or manufacturing job they would get a $100,000.00 stipend to learn a new trade or do what they want.

[JHan]

1. Voters like it that way..

We will never learn.

[doc03]

2. Well I know you could go to her web site and read her issues. But to be honest

I never heard her talk about anything but Trump is bad. There was no campaign in Ohio except in
the big cities. I saw numerous people on DU including myself that brought up the fact she was going to lose Ohio and PA
and we were labeled concern trolls. I did hear her say we are going to put a lot of coal miners
and coal companies out of work and never any response to that.

[bettyellen]

4. Every single stump speech outlined policies. All of them. Not all policies in all speeches but ...

Damn. I've never seen so many democrats who refused to even give a listen. Why is that?

[doc03]

8. I never heard any of her stump speeches beginning to end the only part the MSM

played was her talking about Trump. Where were they when 16 Republicans got down in the gutter with
Trump and lost? That is the definition of insanity when you keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

[bettyellen]

10. The MSM pushed controversial sound bites and idiotic tweets and also the meme that no one

Was talking policy prescriptions but that was a lie.
They spent very very little time on policy and when they did- it was something like 80% her opponents framing her policy. the bulk of the coverage was "emails" and whatever crazy shit Donald tweeted.

The MSM led the American people by the nose all year and only pretended to feel some guilt about it when newspapers revealed they had been printing lies without skewing them for months. They pretended to have a conscience about it for 3-4 weeks and then jumped back on the email "scandal". I've never seen such horrible coverage. Am cancelling cable and letting them know it's the "news".

[yallerdawg]

3. Could she have won by more and beat Corrupt Trump doing that?

She won the Democratic primary playing it straight - but people really, really like those promises. If you know what I mean.

Maybe Democrats don't win making promises they can't keep <cough> <cough> <Obama>.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. We can overlearn the lessons of this election.

If she made a bunch of promises she couldn't possibly keep she could have easily mitigated her losses among working class whites and got the 100,000 votes she need in WI, PA, and MI.

Maybe the 10 k a person would have been too far fetched. She could have promised a multi billion dollar reinvestment program or something.

[davidn3600]

6. The problem wasn't promises. The problem was she ignored voters she needed to win.

She played identity politics and focused policy based on urban centers.

She ignored white, middle class workers in the rust belt.

She didn't need to go to those rural areas and promise to "bring the jobs back." She only needed to go there and explain to these people why the jobs are gone, why they are not coming back, and then give some type of idea or plan to move forward economically. She simply did not do that.

[Statistical]

14. Yeah right. People for decades have been telling them those jobs are not coming back.

Clinton actually had a program of job retraining and assistance for coal miners affected. They don't want to hear that. They mocked that idea. They want to mine coal.

If you say "we will make coal bigly again" you get the vote. If you tell them the truth you don't. Same thing with NAFTA. No evidence that it has cost American jobs. Productivity has costs employment because it takes less people to produce the same amount of goods. Tell people in detroit that and you will lose their vote. In 1980 it took 56 manhours to build a car in the US (lowest in the world BTW). In 2016 Toyota broke less than 30 (with others in 30 to 35 range). To avoid losing auto jobs the number of cars sold would have to more than double.

[bettyellen]

7. Actually saw a pundit come to this exact conclusion. She should have misled voters because

All the other candidates were doing it so she seems place in comparison.

[kcr]

15. So now it's Why Didn't the Crooked Liar Actually Lie?

She can't even live up to her bad reputation. What a loser she is.

[bettyellen]

17. I know. This is when I conclude once more that misogyny is powerful...

And walks among is unexamined. The crazy pretzel logic.
The dozens of anti HRC posts here admitting they never listened to a single ducking speech after they posted "she never said".... ugh. The MSM enabled it and fueled it, but it is here.

[ebbie15644]

9. Basically what my Trump supporting father told me today

[bettyellen]

11. I've known people who admit they prefer a "pretty lie" to the honest truth.

[The_Casual_Observer]

12. She was grounded in reality. She talked about

Advanced manufacturing and so on, things that are actually doable. Her campaign actually had respect for the voters intellegence, this was a mistake.

[unblock]

13. problem is, the media slams democrats for crap like that, but not republicans.

she would immediately be called out for making promises impossible to keep, then they would quickly move on to derivative issues like questioning her integrity, her honesty, saying she'd to or say anything to become president, etc.

whereas when trump over-promised the worst they really did was call his proposals "controversial" and move on to how the crowds go wild and isn't he such an unconventional outsider candidate.

[andym]

16. It works.

Reagan did it. Balanced budget and jobs and cut taxes, etc

[bettyellen]

18. This is an interesting conversation to have... thank DSB.

[MFM008]

19. Or LIE

And lie and lie.